Belated Battleships (KanColle) [REHOST]

[Old Iron]

Jersey's subconscious needed a form Jersey would be comfortzble with. It chose Victory.

Could be worse. Could have been crowning. And instead of punching her, he could have been kissing her out of her funk.

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...How is this worse?

But yeah, her subconcious mind chose someone who could reliably work through her problems in a way she was able to understand. Philosophy, stern lectures, and all the... nice, happy ways of mental troubleshooting don't really seem to fit Jersey. Not without an active external influence. In dream world, she's probably going to go with the most effetive way she knows to straighten out her funk. In this case, HMS Victory smacking it out of her.

I amount it to a level above yelling at yourself in a mirror, demading to know why in all the seven hells you did stupid shit X, Y, and/or Z. Which I have done. It was pretty hilarious in hindsight.

It is possible that as Lady J grows and matures as a shipgirl, she'll find other means of dealing with her mental shenanigans. But right now it's all on a Jersey-ified Victory.

Though that mark she wore up with... Hmm... Ominous!

Spoiler: Now have a Kaga

 

[Kiyone4ever]

Constitution: I'm a bit offended myself. New Jersey could have at least hallucinated an AMERICAN fighting ship to slap some sense into that armored head of hers. Jersey? Are we implying that no American ship is good enough to handle you? I should much like to discuss that with you. Just let me get a good spare piece of oak. You can bring the coffee... If your brain hasn't gone all tea on us.

 

[Firefinder12-B]

Constitution: I'm a bit offended myself. New Jersey could have at least hallucinated an AMERICAN fighting ship to slap some sense into that armored head of hers. Jersey? Are we implying that no American ship is good enough to handle you? I should much like to discuss that with you. Just let me get a good spare piece of oak. You can bring the coffee... If your brain hasn't gone all tea on us.

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(BB-16) New Jersey: If this keeps up we might have to ban her from proper US Navy coffee.

 

[Always Late]

(BB-16) New Jersey: If this keeps up we might have to ban her from proper US Navy coffee.

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I don't know if that would improve or degrade her health.

 

[Suryn]

I don't know if that would improve or degrade her health.

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That goes great with your avatar

 

[theJMPer]

It's worth noting that wasn't Victory. At least, not necessarily.

That was Jersey's subconscious masquerading as Victory. Or at least, mostly is. There might be some of Vic left in there for all we know, but the Aussie accent should be a dead give-away (and mentioned as such in story) to the fact that even if there is some of Vic inside, it was Jersey projecting for the most part.

Or, alternatively, Victory doing what Jersey would probably have done to herself. If she had a mental projection of herself.

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Basically this. Jersey knew on some level she needed to snap herself out of her funk, and the only way she knows how to do that was to smack herself around until she got the point. She's demonstrated this a few times earlier, too. When she was getting distracted by Akagi's swimsuit, she rammed her face into a locker hard enough to twist the sheet steel.

A little bit of pain reboots her brain and kicked her out of whatever loop she's stuck in. And she's a steel-hulled ship, Victory's an old wooden man-o-war. Even if she put all her strength behind her smacks--which she didn't--old Vicy wouldn't have been able to do more than mildly annoy the American.

Though this does bring up the hilarious mental image of Jersey falling into a funk again, only to have a fairy Victory pop out of an access hatch, rappel down her bangs, and attempt to slap the shit out of her with her tiny fairy hands...

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That's adorable! Imma use that at some point.

I enjoy how the wooden sailing ship hits with the force of a two by four. Yes, that was a good decision.

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why thank you!

Also, magic shipgirl bullshit peanut butter eating skills are bullshit.

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Jersey: What? I like peanut butter.

...How is this worse?

But yeah, her subconcious mind chose someone who could reliably work through her problems in a way she was able to understand. Philosophy, stern lectures, and all the... nice, happy ways of mental troubleshooting don't really seem to fit Jersey. Not without an active external influence. In dream world, she's probably going to go with the most effetive way she knows to straighten out her funk. In this case, HMS Victory smacking it out of her.

I amount it to a level above yelling at yourself in a mirror, demading to know why in all the seven hells you did stupid shit X, Y, and/or Z. Which I have done. It was pretty hilarious in hindsight.

It is possible that as Lady J grows and matures as a shipgirl, she'll find other means of dealing with her mental shenanigans. But right now it's all on a Jersey-ified Victory.

Though that mark she wore up with... Hmm... Ominous!

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Remember that Jersey is kind of an idiot. She's blunt and easily bored, and she's got the emotional maturity of a second-rate toaster oven. Lecturing her on why she shouldn't feel terrible won't have the same effect as ordering her to stop it. Getting some loving from someone she trusts enough to admit that she's broken would help in the long run, but Victory's little pep talk snapped her out of her funk.

Also, Aussie!Victory is really fun to write.

Constitution: I'm a bit offended myself. New Jersey could have at least hallucinated an AMERICAN fighting ship to slap some sense into that armored head of hers. Jersey? Are we implying that no American ship is good enough to handle you? I should much like to discuss that with you. Just let me get a good spare piece of oak. You can bring the coffee... If your brain hasn't gone all tea on us.

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That would probably have been worse. Connie is the old-guard of the Navy. Jersey wouldn't have even been able to look at her because she's so ashamed of being a shitty old battleship. Victory, on the other hand, is a foreign warship. Jersey has no reason to look up to her or worship the surf that kisses her boot stripe like she would with Connie, and thus less reason to be ashamed around her.

Basically, she needed a ship she only kinda respected.

 

[Firefinder12-B]

That would probably have been worse. Connie is the old-guard of the Navy. Jersey wouldn't have even been able to look at her because she's so ashamed of being a shitty old battleship. Victory, on the other hand, is a foreign warship. Jersey has no reason to look up to her or worship the surf that kisses her boot stripe like she would with Connie, and thus less reason to be ashamed around her.

Basically, she needed a ship she only kinda respected.

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Eh...

I think that Connie would have had none of that. She would have found a way to force New Jersey to look at her.

Cause you know what they called the Constitution during my Grandpa time in the navy?

The USS Neversail.

Edit: Plus Connie would have point out that if she was useless the Navy would have scrapped her like they did to Connie sisters.

 

[SaltyWaffles]

So, considering that Jersey is apparently lusting after Musashi pretty hard, but is also in love with Crowning...how exactly is she going to deal with that? Or the sheer UST whenever she's in the same room as Musashi?

 

[Kiyone4ever]

That would probably have been worse. Connie is the old-guard of the Navy. Jersey wouldn't have even been able to look at her because she's so ashamed of being a shitty old battleship. Victory, on the other hand, is a foreign warship. Jersey has no reason to look up to her or worship the surf that kisses her boot stripe like she would with Connie, and thus less reason to be ashamed around her.

Basically, she needed a ship she only kinda respected.

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I can see that easily enough. Of course from Constitution's viewpoint, she and Jersey aren't all that different. She wasn't the first of her family. She was not considered the finest of her family at the time. Her younger sister President had a reputation as a much finer sailing ship and their older sister United States had a thing for very precise battles. The way she systematically cut down HMS Macedonian so she surrendered as a useful prize as opposed to the demolished Guerriere and Java. Constitution would likely see herself a brawler like Jersey.

 

[MadGreenSon]

Call me a pansy, but Victory's little pep-talk with Jersey really made me angry. To the point where I was about to drop a Rod from God onto her just to prove a point.

Because while what she did probably got Jer out of her funk, I hate anyone that lays a hand against another person to make a point.

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Pansy.

On the other hand:

Or maybe it's whatever traumas I have plus the fact that I really don't like seeing the people who I care about getting hurt, even if it's their own subconscious.

Ignore me. It was two in the morning.

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I can totally respect that. I've been on the receiving end of some real bullying and I know that leaves marks. It's also sweet that you care about Jersey so much.

That would probably have been worse. Connie is the old-guard of the Navy. Jersey wouldn't have even been able to look at her because she's so ashamed of being a shitty old battleship. Victory, on the other hand, is a foreign warship. Jersey has no reason to look up to her or worship the surf that kisses her boot stripe like she would with Connie, and thus less reason to be ashamed around her.

Basically, she needed a ship she only kinda respected.

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Connie would be the one to offer her a hand up and tell her she's done good after she's been smacked.

Plus, if USS Constitution tells you you've done a good job, how can you not believe her?

 

[Skywalker_T-65]

I really need to find an excuse to do something with Connie one of these days.

She, and Victory, would arguably be the most 'modern' girls, even if they would certainly hold onto little quirks from their service. What with both still (technically) being in commission.

That said, with Vic dead and Connie off-limits (I would assume) the best I can get there is Averof.

 

[Twei]

I really need to find an excuse to do something with Connie one of these days.

She, and Victory, would arguably be the most 'modern' girls, even if they would certainly hold onto little quirks from their service. What with both still (technically) being in commission.

That said, with Vic dead and Connie off-limits (I would assume) the best I can get there is Averof.

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Uncle Georgie \o/

 

[gS49]

Basically this. Jersey knew on some level she needed to snap herself out of her funk, ....

A little bit of pain reboots her brain and kicked her out of whatever loop she's stuck in. And she's a steel-hulled ship, Victory's an old wooden man-o-war. Even if she put all her strength behind her smacks--which she didn't--old Vicy wouldn't have been able to do more than mildly annoy the American.

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Consider that Victory was aboard the New Jersey when the Abyssals sank her and that the shipgirls are to some degree spirits. It is plausible (if the author wants) that Victory's fetch has been incorporated into Jersey and can communicate to her in dreams. However, the Oz accent speaks against the idea that it's Victory actual.

By the way, Nelson lost not only an arm, but a leg and one eye, if you're using him as a model.

 

[NHO]

Consider that Victory was aboard the New Jersey when the Abyssals sank her and that the shipgirls are to some degree spirits. It is plausible (if the author wants) that Victory's fetch has been incorporated into Jersey and can communicate to her in dreams. However, the Oz accent speaks against the idea that it's Victory actual.

By the way, Nelson lost not only an arm, but a leg and one eye, if you're using him as a model.

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So, I totally forgot. Have they recovered Victory's body?

 

[landcollector]

So, I totally forgot. Have they recovered Victory's body?

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If she was caught up in the explosion radius of the torp there wasn't likely much to recover.

 

[biodude711]

Or maybe it's whatever traumas I have plus the fact that I really don't like seeing the people who I care about getting hurt, even if it's their own subconscious.

Ignore me. It was two in the morning.

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(I know that this is extremely off topic, and I'm sorry, but this is something that I really need to get off my chest.)

Let me tell you something I've learned about traumas through personal experience (though YMMV about this since I don't know what traumas you have and that everyone is different when it come to dealing with whatever issues they have). I've had some bad demons from my middle school/high school days. They were so bad that they haunted me during my freshman year at college. The only time I was able to exorcise them was when I talked about them to my psychologist. And let me tell you, it felt like a great weight was lifted off my shoulders. I feel so much better that I didn't have these demon festering inside me, eating away at me from the inside.

The thing to take away from this is this: talk about your issues. Yes, I know it will be painful to talk about (trust me, I've been there), but not talking about it and letting them fester inside you is not the way to go about solving it. While you may feel that you're not burdening everyone with your issues by not taking about it, you're actually making everyone around you even more worried. You may feel that people don't understand what you're going through because they never been though it themselves, that maybe true. But let me tell you something, there are people out there who will support you, even if they don't share the same experiences you've went through. Also, don't be discouraged if you don't see immediate results or you feel a regression. This is a process, and it will take some time for those wounds to fully heal. However, if you do feel a regression or you are having suicidal thoughts, seek out help immediately! Suicide is never the answer.

Never forget, you are stronger than you think you are and never stop fighting.

 

[SaltyWaffles]

If she was caught up in the explosion radius of the torp there wasn't likely much to recover.

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That's nonsensical. She'd have to have been basically right up against the hull where the torpedo hit for that to have killed her.

Remember, the Iowa-class had some damn good torpedo defense. And a torpedo hits below the waterline. A person standing on the deck is pretty much going to be fine unless they're absurdly unlucky. And I doubt New Jersey had much in the way of fuel (let alone ammo) aboard, either.

 

[FelOnyx]

That's nonsensical. She'd have to have been basically right up against the hull where the torpedo hit for that to have killed her.

Remember, the Iowa-class had some damn good torpedo defense. And a torpedo hits below the waterline. A person standing on the deck is pretty much going to be fine unless they're absurdly unlucky. And I doubt New Jersey had much in the way of fuel (let alone ammo) aboard, either.

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Weren't they loading some ammo in case it helped with the summoning?

 

[landcollector]

That's nonsensical. She'd have to have been basically right up against the hull where the torpedo hit for that to have killed her.

Remember, the Iowa-class had some damn good torpedo defense. And a torpedo hits below the waterline. A person standing on the deck is pretty much going to be fine unless they're absurdly unlucky. And I doubt New Jersey had much in the way of fuel (let alone ammo) aboard, either.

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And yet Victory did die in that attack.

 

[Firefinder12-B]

That's nonsensical. She'd have to have been basically right up against the hull where the torpedo hit for that to have killed her.

Remember, the Iowa-class had some damn good torpedo defense. And a torpedo hits below the waterline. A person standing on the deck is pretty much going to be fine unless they're absurdly unlucky. And I doubt New Jersey had much in the way of fuel (let alone ammo) aboard, either.

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Remember they were loading up a full combat load and it was a LONG FUCKING LANCE that hit her.

A Long Lance has over a 1000 lbs of high explosives in it. Even if the Iowa TDS was to design spec at 770 lbs, which its not its actually rated at 660, the torpedoe would still have blow a massive hole in her.

One of these things hit the Helena and nearly cut her in HALF, I believe it was her armor belt on the other side that kept her together, before she sunk.

Edit: Picture of the damage that sunk the Helena.

 

[SaltyWaffles]

Remember they were loading up a full combat load and it was a LONG FUCKING LANCE that hit her.

A Long Lance has over a 1000 lbs of high explosives in it. Even if the Iowa TDS was to design spec at 770 lbs, which its not its actually rated at 660, the torpedoe would still have blow a massive hole in her.

One of these things hit the Helena and nearly cut her in HALF, I believe it was her armor belt on the other side that kept her together, before she sunk.

Edit: Picture of the damage that sunk the Helena.

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1) A TDS doesn't provide much protection at either end of the ship, by necessity. It only provides maximum protection for the citadel/central/vital portions. Thus, a torpedo gouging out half of a cruiser's bow isn't all that special, since the bow is the thinnest and least-protected part of the ship. Also, the torpedo that struck Helena in the bow looks like it hit a magazine.

2) What the hell are you talking about when you're saying that its defense was 770 pds but it was actually 660?

3) A cruiser is not a fucking battleship.

4) Again, a torpedo hits below the waterline. See the torpedo that hit Helena amidships? It didn't even reach half-way up the ship's height, and the hole stops just below the waterline. So unless you were practically leaning over the rail right above the point of impact, you'd be safe.

 

[Firefinder12-B]

1) A TDS doesn't provide much protection at either end of the ship, by necessity. It only provides maximum protection for the citadel/central/vital portions. Thus, a torpedo gouging out half of a cruiser's bow isn't all that special, since the bow is the thinnest and least-protected part of the ship. Also, the torpedo that struck Helena in the bow looks like it hit a magazine.

2) What the hell are you talking about when you're saying that its defense was 770 pds but it was actually 660?

3) A cruiser is not a fucking battleship.

4) Again, a torpedo hits below the waterline. See the torpedo that hit Helena amidships? It didn't even reach half-way up the ship's height, and the hole stops just below the waterline. So unless you were practically leaning over the rail right above the point of impact, you'd be safe.

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How many times have we gone over this?

1: It still a shit load of metal of the say type thickness as in the Iowa class.

2: Thanks to the Navy jumping the gun they didn't do testing until after the ships were laid down for the TDS was tested. And was found to perform under the expectations of want they thought it would. They thought it would be take 770 pounds of TNT to damage the main hull, the insides. When they tested it, they found it could only take 660 pounds of TNT. By the time they figured this out it was too late to change the design with out remaking the entire ship. Me and you have gone over this several times. So dig through the thread for the source I gave the last time we did this song and dance.

3) It's still a good representative of what to expect. Especially considering it broke through roughly the same amount of metal, of the same type (STS) as is what on the Iowas.

4) What happened if you are in side the hull where the torpedoe hit? You fucked. Especially considering during the testing they found that chucks of metal from the four inch lower belt would spall off. Send chucks of metal flying throughout the compartments.

 

[theJMPer]

And they were in the middle of loading her magazines. And by "they" I mean people who didn't totally know what they were doing. Everyone with actual recent experience with sixteen-inch shells was already on Mo fighting her.

 

[Firefinder12-B]

Plus look up what happened to the Wasp.

One of the torpedoes of the same exact type jump out of the water to hit the hull above the waterline, help started the fire.


Torpedoes don't always run under the water, sometimes they jump out of the water.

 

[Kiyone4ever]

They will never find a body. It is pure speculation that Victory faked her death. All further inquiries should be made to the Royal Navy Public Relations Desk and NOT to Commander Victoria Nelson, RN...