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Belated Battleships (KanColle) [REHOST]

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SaltyWaffles said:
So then what was Nagato doing? Letting an enemy battleship get that close without hammering it all the while? Heerman's already pulling dedicated AA duty, and Nagato also has fighter cover. That the enemy battleship managed to land a direct hit on a damn destroyer with its secondaries (on its first salvo, no less) without being pounded by Nagato's own batteries is rather strange.

I mean, if Nagato and the other battleship are close enough to hit each other accurately with their secondary batteries, I'd expect them to be nailing each other with their main batteries by now.
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Nagato was hammering the battleships the whole time. She and her sister (and Mushi) have been brawling with the abyssal heavy task force ever since the battle began. They pulled them out from under the Princess's air defense umbrella early on to finish them off in a surface brawl. The story's just been focused on Jersey's task force for a while so Nagato's actions have been out of focus.

And the first-round hits weren't due to distance. The abyssal force as one focused all their firepower on Heermann without care for anything else. That's every single ship abandoning what it was doing to fire everything they have at little Heermann.
SaltyWaffles said:
Question, though: how were Nagato and Heerman already in range of the Abyssal battleship's secondary battery? Wouldn't that mean that said battleship was in range of Heerman's guns and Heerman's torpedoes the entire time? And that Nagato could have been firing on it for a while before it got that close? Or am I missing something?
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Heermann's on air-defense duty. Getting into a gunfight with another battleship really isn't what she's good for. It's better for her to save her ammo for killing any cruisers who get too close/ any air attack that gets mounted. She was nominally inside torpedo range, but her mark 15s are so slow that she'd almost guarantee a miss if she fired from this distance.

Also, she's attached to Nagato as close-escort. There's other friendly ships maneuvering around her in unpredictable ways. She really really doesn't wanna accidentally fire a fish into a friendly.
 
theJMPer said:
Also, she's attached to Nagato as close-escort. There's other friendly ships maneuvering around her in unpredictable ways. She really really doesn't wanna accidentally fire a fish into a friendly.
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Not to mention there were plenty of incidents during the Second World War where a ship made unexpected movements and ending up colliding with another ships, sometimes with one party even sinking.
theJMPer said:
Doubly so if it's an early-war Mark 15. Then it's "once Mr. Torpedo is in the water, BUORD hates you."
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FTFY:D
 
When things calm down a bit, we need to figure how to do a swap: The detonator from the type 93 torpedo for swapping out those crappy 25 mm Hotchkiss clones the Japanese girls use for AA with some 40 mm Bofors!
 
A note on how Japan DID assist US Submariners during the war: With the magnetic exploder deactivated and the depth setting recalculated, the last HUGE problem with the detonator on the Mark 14 Torpedo was a heavy firing pin that often jammed, causing duds (Like the one that hit Kaga fired by Nautilus.) Turns out that machinists at Pearl Harbor began milling lightweight replacement firing pins made from metal salvaged from Japanese propellers from planes shot down on Dec. 7th.
 
Kiyone4ever said:
A note on how Japan DID assist US Submariners during the war: With the magnetic exploder deactivated and the depth setting recalculated, the last HUGE problem with the detonator on the Mark 14 Torpedo was a heavy firing pin that often jammed, causing duds (Like the one that hit Kaga fired by Nautilus.) Turns out that machinists at Pearl Harbor began milling lightweight replacement firing pins made from metal salvaged from Japanese propellers from planes shot down on Dec. 7th.
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Oh now that's Irony right there.
 
MadGreenSon said:
I know jack and shit about Russian naval "capabilities" but I'm now guessing that the best Russian ship is hanging out in DesDiv6 and has no particular desire to leave?
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Well, there Tashkent, who can outran Shimakaze. And russian as Kongou is japanise.

Also there these two fine comrades:
Soviet submarine S-13 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - The number is very fitting... for her enemies.
- sank the 25,484-ton German military transport ship Wilhelm Gustloff, overfilled with civilians and military personnel, with three torpedoes. Recent estimates calculate that over 9,000 people were killed, the worst loss of life in maritime history. Top 1 as worst maritime loss of life
- sank another German military transport ship Steuben.[3] 3,300 civilians and military personnel from the ship died. Top 10 as worst maritime loss of life
Soviet submarine L-3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
- sank the German refugee transport "Goya", an event that (if calculated by loss of life) is deemed to be one of the worst marine disaster ever, when 6,000 to 7,000 people died in the icy waters of the Baltic Sea. Top 2 as worst maritime loss of life.
- Rammed by transport ship, lost a periscope and antennas. Was NOT noticed. During that event, First time ever in Baltic sea, proved possibility of torpedo attack without visual contact, using only sonar.

[to put into perspective, Titanic was less than 1500 casualties]
 
Kiyone4ever said:
When things calm down a bit, we need to figure how to do a swap: The detonator from the type 93 torpedo for swapping out those crappy 25 mm Hotchkiss clones the Japanese girls use for AA with some 40 mm Bofors!
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At that point, they might as well see if they can retool the Destroyers to fire Long Lances instead. That would be quite the kick in the pants for anyone expecting crappy mk. 15s coming out of them :D.
 
Stahor said:
Well, there Tashkent, who can outran Shimakaze. And russian as Kongou is japanise.

Also there these two fine comrades:
Soviet submarine S-13 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - The number is very fitting... for her enemies.
- sank the 25,484-ton German military transport ship Wilhelm Gustloff, overfilled with civilians and military personnel, with three torpedoes. Recent estimates calculate that over 9,000 people were killed, the worst loss of life in maritime history. Top 1 as worst maritime loss of life
- sank another German military transport ship Steuben.[3] 3,300 civilians and military personnel from the ship died. Top 10 as worst maritime loss of life
Soviet submarine L-3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
- sank the German refugee transport "Goya", an event that (if calculated by loss of life) is deemed to be one of the worst marine disaster ever, when 6,000 to 7,000 people died in the icy waters of the Baltic Sea. Top 2 as worst maritime loss of life.
- Rammed by transport ship, lost a periscope and antennas. Was NOT noticed. During that event, First time ever in Baltic sea, proved possibility of torpedo attack without visual contact, using only sonar.

[to put into perspective, Titanic was less than 1500 casualties]
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Not too shabby. I was mostly fucking around.

That, and I think DesDiv6 is way more awesome than most 'fic* gives them credit for. I mean,yeah they generally act like kids, but they're kids who escort convoys, engage in heavy naval combat, and are generally trusted to do as they please most of the time.
Also, they make mild curry, which is my favorite kind.;)

Either way, are there any other worthy Russian ships? It's kind of interesting.

*BelaBatt does not feature too much of my favorite Japanese destroyers and that's fine. I just hate seeing them turned into helpless victims and destroyers in distress
 
Besides that, US DD's are basically gunboats where combat is concerned. Getting them used to firing torpedoes instead, particularly against capital ships which they don't typically get close enough to torp, would require a LOT of retraining.
 
Bad news is Nagato's Group is pinned. The Abyssals she is fighting can withdraw toward toward the Princess.
If the Princess calms down enough to think this fight can go the other way very fast.
 
MadGreenSon said:
*BelaBatt does not feature too much of my favorite Japanese destroyers and that's fine. I just hate seeing them turned into helpless victims and destroyers in distress
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The torpedo lolis don't have a lot of screen time in BelaBat because, when they're not being cute and lolish, they're kinda boring. There's no drama when you send DesDiv6 out on a mission. You know the job's gonna get done, it's gonna get done right, and it's gonna get done on time. They're the expedition specialists because they make running operations about as dramatic as ordering a pizza. They're that good.
 
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