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Lol, @Aleph is having withdrawal symptoms.
Lol.
Actually; something I've been meaning to ask, is whether Calesco also does Arael's
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Ascensions and Transgressions: the Tales of Keris Dulmeadokht (Exalted game)
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Lol.
Actually; something I've been meaning to ask, is whether Calesco also does Arael's
It's somewhat less sympathetic when you consider that Vali is baaaaaaaasically the libertarian soul and if he had his way he'd be a dragon always, breaking what he felt like and smashing everything and anything that gets in his way.
Remember, Haneyl and Vali are full siblings and they're both dragons because of that - but Haneyl is the one who's reluctant to take on her dragon form because means discarding the humanity she values highly. Vali doesn't really care about his humanity. It's just another constraint on him. They're the only two direct siblings placed directly opposite to each other, and part of that reason is because Haneyl cares about blending in and social rules and the opinions of others (almost neurotically so) and Vali almost aggressively shuns all of those things.
The two of them split Malfeas between them, but Haneyl is a Metagoyin soul who ate the fire and rulership bits of Malfeas so she's a nouveau riche princess who tries to act like someone born to royalty even though she has the instincts of a Nexan street rat. Vali is a Malfean soul who then gobbled up TED's "no one chains me" stuff on top of the existing Malfeas "no one tells me what to do" so he simply has no fucks, whatsoever, to give about what you think.
And from Keris' point of view, that's much more dangerous because she can coax and bribe and redirect Haneyl even when she's in full-on rage-tantrum mode, but she has very few tools for dealing with Vali if he wants to do something she doesn't want him to do. She can't even tell him "No" because he considers that a challenge.
Not only is she very firmly in the Ligier camp of Infernals, but Keris also is now beautiful and loves beautiful things, but was once maimed with an arm which never healed right and smallpox scars on her face. Keris takes beggars and outcasts and gives them a place and respectability. She basically puts herself in contrast to what Hidrae stands for (who basically revels in the decline and coarseness of Malfeas).
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I suspect it's hatred. Partly because Keris is one of the handful of things that Adorjan has a recurring (or even worse, a consistent) attachment to, with Echo as a product of that relationship, and partly because Echo's landscape form sounds very much like a blood-themed version of Adrian-who-was. And the thing Adorjan tries the hardest to run away from, I think, is the memory of what happened to her and all that came after (because IIRC the murder of Lilike was the opening shot of the Primordial War).
I'm guessing her method of last resort for dealing with Vali in full-on "fuck you, I'm a dragon" mode is to point him at Pekhijira or vice-versa, since that's a fight he'll never win and he can have without doing too much damage to anything important. Assuming that Vali isn't dogpiled by the other souls whenever he tries this.
Although now I wonder what happens if Calesco hits him (or any of Keris' other souls, for that matter) with her unveiled form's full-blown Penance Stare.
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meianmaru
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Those war-forms sound pretty scary. Especially if you were to have face more than one of them at the same time. Even more so after they reach their near-peak potential after ascending to the Third Circle. A wolf-pack of beings with that level of power, lead by their Infernal Exalt mama sounds like something you wouldn't want to mess with unless you really have to, no matter how powerful you are.
Also, now that this thread is alive again (at least temporarily), I would like to ask a question that has been on my mind, and actually saw being mentioned in the general Exalted thread. That particular question being: have you solved the "untouchable infrastructure inside the Infernals soul" -problem yet? "Green Sun, Black Shadows" by Alexander89 uses some of your Kerisgame hacks, one of them being the soul-spawning/inner world mechanics, so I'm interested how you plan to handle it.
Currently, the Fourth-Sould Devil Domain -Charm gives you a place where you can have your souls craft and repair artifacts and more mundane tools, weapons, vehicles and such (or even do it by yourself), have writer-demons churn-out massive amounts of original or copied books that you can either give or sell to others, give coded messages you intercepted to a bored ditzy-genius murderwind to decipher if you don't want/can't do it yourself, etc. And nobody can do anything to this infrastructure unless they murder the Infernal, or maybe use some truly esoteric methods to interfere with their soul, which probably requires you catching and imprisoning them for extended periods of time to do it in the first place. I remember Earthscorpion mentioning something about an exp cost if you want to bring out things crafted insided unless you want them to cease existing soon afterwards, but even then it sounds pretty damn useful.
Also, now that this thread is alive again (at least temporarily), I would like to ask a question that has been on my mind, and actually saw being mentioned in the general Exalted thread. That particular question being: have you solved the "untouchable infrastructure inside the Infernals soul" -problem yet? "Green Sun, Black Shadows" by Alexander89 uses some of your Kerisgame hacks, one of them being the soul-spawning/inner world mechanics, so I'm interested how you plan to handle it.
Currently, the Fourth-Sould Devil Domain -Charm gives you a place where you can have your souls craft and repair artifacts and more mundane tools, weapons, vehicles and such (or even do it by yourself), have writer-demons churn-out massive amounts of original or copied books that you can either give or sell to others, give coded messages you intercepted to a bored ditzy-genius murderwind to decipher if you don't want/can't do it yourself, etc. And nobody can do anything to this infrastructure unless they murder the Infernal, or maybe use some truly esoteric methods to interfere with their soul, which probably requires you catching and imprisoning them for extended periods of time to do it in the first place. I remember Earthscorpion mentioning something about an exp cost if you want to bring out things crafted insided unless you want them to cease existing soon afterwards, but even then it sounds pretty damn useful.
Basically, I'm probably just going to use the rules for Wyld-Shaped things. I mean, effectively speaking the soul here is functionally a portable wyld-pocket. Hence, stuff made in the soul isn't really "real" and degrades if it doesn't interact with stuff that's also within the Infernal's Mythos. Then there's a later upgrade to realify it with Resources sacrifices or possibly with Cult.
Keris hasn't really noticed this, because she mostly uses her soul's production capacities as a source of food.
(Having Haneyl off with Sasi will give Keris an unpleasant shock as to how much she's got used to having Haneyl feed her with "Yeah, I'm actually a 2CD who's invested in cooking as a secondary focus"-level food. Calesco will try to make up the gap, but Calesco is an awful cook - like, legitimately terrible. Eating her food is suffering. Echo is a better cook than her, and Echo has a tendency to forget what she was making mid-way through the process which resulted in the invention of the curry brownie.)
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... you may not be thinking this through. Calesco's light is agony, remember? If you see her unveiled, all your comforting lies are ripped away and you're both confronted with the bitter truths about yourself that you try to hide from and also slammed in the face with all the suffering you've caused or callously ignored, all the hurt and pain of those around you; all the ugliness of the world that her light forces you to care about, because to be compassionate is to care about others, and to care about others is to hurt as they hurt.
Calesco's Arael-beam isn't a beam. It's an automatic AoE effect that hits everything that sees her unveiled, including herself.
That said, when she's being the Veiled Star, she can totally crack her veils open just a little to do the Arael-beam on a more limited area. Though it's a Hellstrider made from one of GSP!Yui's rendered-down Third Circles, not a warstrider - that's demonic flesh and blood under the armour. Get it right.
No, that was the White Ram. And no, the Csend doesn't hate Echo. That would be an emotion, and she doesn't let herself have those. She's terribly, horrifyingly empty, and Echo can see it. But she disapproves. Philosophically, she disapproves hard of the fact that Echo isn't like her; that Keris loves and is joyful and binds herself so tightly to caring about things. If she could, she would cut the throats of each of Keris's children and leave her hollow and empty and emotionless and perfect, because that's what she thinks of as the proper way of being.
... and she's an E10 Primordial fetich-soul, so Echo is also very aware that she's stronger even than Keris but not so impossibly vast that she doesn't notice and remember them. Small wonder that she's terrified of "Big Sister".
(Re: the river; Echo explains with gestures that Big Mama's Mama-Who-Died-To-Birth-Her was fire and ice and razors and infinite torments, but Rathan has the ice and Haneyl stole the fire. Thus, she demonstrates by flipping her knife around her fingers, she's just left with the blood and razors. Ooo! Maybe she can make razor-edged ribbons! Gotta go!)
Or, to put it another way, Echo has deduced that the Csend wants to murder every one of the Csend's siblings (cutting away all of Adorjan's hypocritical attachments), and wants to murder Echo and all of her siblings (so Keris would be like her ideal image of Adorjan).
Echo is also painfully aware that she can't make any sounds, so if the Csend ever got her alone, Echo couldn't banish her by making a noise.
So, in summary, there's an Essence 10 serial killer who wants Echo and all her brothers and sisters dead, and Echo has literally no tools to escape from her if she finds Echo because the Csend is faster than her, stronger, and better at fighting. And similarly intelligent, Echo fears.
Echo's in quite an interesting place with regards to Primordial metabiology and her observations thereof, because she's effectively a supergenius who's watched a Primordialesque soul-hierarchy grow from scratch (even if she was only cat-level smart for some of the earliest bits). She was the one who invented the keruby from first principles, after all, and built a demon meta-breed that has the potential for evolution and development.
She also wants to keep far, far away from Orabilis, because she's deduced things about how Primordials form and how souls grow from inductive logic by watching her and her siblings that is certainly permitted only to the Yozis. And she's fairly sure she's a baby Third Circle, not a Second Circle (and she's not telling Keris that because Mama is dumb and will freak out).
... Echo does not really respect her mother at all.
meianmaru
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Yeah, that sounds like it will solve most of the problems. You have to impose some kind of tax like this not to break several things in the gamebalance (or so I assume), and also gives more flavor to the metaphysics of the Charm.
Even the elder souls of Keris are still that mutable? While even Rathan took some of the Ebon Dragon in his meeting with the Yozi's fetich soul, that was direct contact with the quite literal heart of darkness who actively seeked to change him (and thus Keris). Will we possibly a couple of more cases like this in the future? For example, if I had to guess who would take what, then Zanara taking some of the nature of Oramus inside him/her would probably be a safe bet, if Keris gets some of the dragon's Charms first of course. The lovecraftian vibe seems to be pointing that way, at least to me.
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More accurately; splitting their landscape-form properly and establishing a terrestrial and celestial aspect is going to be the big change that flips them into being 3CDs - much like their turbulent natural-disaster puberties as their lands grew with them and they evolved into 2CDs.
Also, note that blood, puzzles, and having problems communicating are already in-theme for Echo. If Keris picks up some Elloge, it'll basically be a three-way scrap between Echo, Haneyl (blood, writing) and Zanara (art, madness) as to who gets the Elloge as an expression of their themes. With Haneyl likely to sell out to the highest bidder because blood for her is an expression of her Metagoyin hunger rather than her intellectual self-improvement side.
meianmaru
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Interesting stuff that that I hadn't realized by myself (probably because I'm currently a bit sick), but I meant more of the fact that the children of Keris are still so open to changes from her opening new Yozi Charmsets that she didn't have access to before, which seems to allow them to absorb some of the new themes when they become available.
Well, they're teenagers/older children by now. They're still growing, but their "personalities" have to a large extent mostly settled. They can develop further within their themes or grab similar themes linked to their existing ones, but they can't just spring straight off into a new unrelated theme.
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Oh, there's been a fair bit. I have quite a lot of them down in core concept. They're not grandchildren, though - they're much more classically demonic "facets of their Greater Self" beings.
(I am obliged as always to mention Shahani; Echo's Expressive Soul, who is terrible.)
(I am obliged as always to mention Shahani; Echo's Expressive Soul, who is terrible.)
How terrible? Lex Luther and forty cakes terrible or even worse?
This is Echo's Expressive Soul.
The obvious answer is that she is Echo terrible.
Would picking up Elloge let Echo make noise?Cause if so, she'd probably go for everything but the throat getting that particular theme. Not to mention she is scarily smart at figuring out stuff about Keris' soul, so she could be sitting back and waiting at exactly the spot that theme would pop up.
And nothing like a Major intimacy of Fear to keep you on task.
...Poor Echo, surrounded by idiots who don't think. And she can't even keep on task for five minutes most of the time, no wonder she doesn't respect Keris.
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Definitely not. At most it'd give her subtitles, not that she really needs them.
Elloge is the written word, nothing in her themes includes speaking.
It would let her mime so well that her watchers experience the things she gestures about. Eventually. Maybe.
*Shrug* All I remember about Elloge is that his primary theme is communication.
Clearly, this is literally true.
it's/his/her, whatever. We're talking about things that are celestial bodies and literally walking concepts personified.