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Ascensions and Transgressions: the Tales of Keris Dulmeadokht (Exalted game)

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Azrael said:
I had a question. Well, a couple of related questions. Is it possible to ride a farisy without being turned into a puppet? For example, by being friends with it or sorcerously binding it? Or is it one of those 'this happens automatically' things?

Could you ride one behind it's puppet? Would it let you if you could?
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In order; yes it is, both would work, no it's not, yes you could, depends on the farisy but quite possibly.

Haneyl tends to ride whoever the Official Steed of the week is whenever she needs to go somewhere far enough that her legs would get tired (or wants to go faster than walking, or feels like being important and princessy and regal), which is part of why there's such fierce competition in Swamp court jousting tournaments - they consider it a great honour to have her sitting just in front of their puppet-rider and making it clear they have her (temporary) favour.
deadcrystal said:
A possibly more relevant and upsetting question is whether the riders are still conscious or not. Because either they're effectively dead with just their flesh being puppeted around, or they're trapped screaming in their skull unable to do anything at all.
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Nah. They're dead. The average farisy just has a chell or some other similar beast, since they're the easiest to get your hands on and don't fight back or even understand that the farisy can do that. Sapient demons are rather harder to trick into it.
 
Aleph said:
In order; yes it is, both would work, no it's not, yes you could, depends on the farisy but quite possibly.
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Ah, thanks!

The reason I asked is because I was reading Revlid's Metagaos charmset and got the idea of a kind of mounted knight-like character using Greedy Gawping Grip and Hijacked By Hunger to fuse with their mount, and was looking into what demons would work for that.

I wrote off angyagos as too 'flighty' and was torn between luminata, agatae, and farissya. The latter obviously works quite well with the idea, given it's literally what they were made for, but I wasn't certain if it was possible to do without having to fend off the roots-turning-you-into-a-puppet thing.


Oh, a rules question- when using a Lance or other 'extra damage when charging' weapon, logically you should only really be able to attack once per charge, but I haven't seen any rules stating as much and the Dire Lance, for example, has Rate 2. Do you think I should go with the common-sense reading, or what appears to be the actual rules?
 
The Sandman said:
Second, another good reason why humans can't enter an Infernal's soul-world even with the Infernal's permission is that the ability to have a Cult living inside your soul and constantly providing Essence refills would snap game balance over its knee.
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Yeah- this is why, when I wrote Brazen Gates Unbarred, @Aleph convinced me to put a fairly strict time limit on how long you could spend in the Domain if you weren't part of the Infernal's Mythos.
 
Kuciwalker said:
But it's a really awesome inventory, and notable in that it's just sort of bolted onto the Exaltation itself. I was wondering more about these sorts of metaphysical superstructures than about the ability to summon minions. Do you see similar changes in other high-Enlightenment Exalts?
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Nope. Infernals are the ones with the themes about being worlds and stuff like that. No one else has that in-theme, apart from Alchemicals - and Alchemicals do become giant structures.

Oh, apart from my Sidereals. But they start off as a mini-Loom. Each Sidereal is basically 1/5th of an alt-Loom. But that's not a development - that's just their base state.
 
Azrael said:
Oh, a rules question- when using a Lance or other 'extra damage when charging' weapon, logically you should only really be able to attack once per charge, but I haven't seen any rules stating as much and the Dire Lance, for example, has Rate 2. Do you think I should go with the common-sense reading, or what appears to be the actual rules?
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It should probably depend on the source of the flurry. if its just speed, then no, if its from magically co-existing ala Assasin from F/SN, then probably yes.
 
EarthScorpion said:
Nope. Infernals are the ones with the themes about being worlds and stuff like that. No one else has that in-theme, apart from Alchemicals - and Alchemicals do become giant structures.

Oh, apart from my Sidereals. But they start off as a mini-Loom. Each Sidereal is basically 1/5th of an alt-Loom. But that's not a development - that's just their base state.
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Wait, so does that mean that by having five Sidereals stand on each other's shoulders you could make a full Loom?

Because now I'm imagining a Sidereal circle who're basically the Power Rangers. Well, their Zords, at least.
 
The Sandman said:
Wait, so does that mean that by having five Sidereals stand on each other's shoulders you could make a full Loom?

Because now I'm imagining a Sidereal circle who're basically the Power Rangers. Well, their Zords, at least.
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Or they can hold hands while wearing colour-themed outfits of Westerners, and let their Serenity leader lead them in a great ritual to drive off a demon prince.
 
Well, as long as they aren't Kejak's elite squad, because then they'll just do silly poses before the hero annihilates them on his way to their boss. They'll stomp all over his companions first, of course.

Although the hero would still lose, because Kejak actually knows how long a minute is.
 
EarthScorpion said:
Nope. Infernals are the ones with the themes about being worlds and stuff like that. No one else has that in-theme, apart from Alchemicals - and Alchemicals do become giant structures.

Oh, apart from my Sidereals. But they start off as a mini-Loom. Each Sidereal is basically 1/5th of an alt-Loom. But that's not a development - that's just their base state.
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Now you have me wondering about a transhumanist Solar or Lunar using Sorcerous Workings (or maybe your undisclosed Project system) to build an inner world for herself.

Dammit, now I'm wondering what 2 and 3CD-equivalent minions an E10 Solar would make. Maybe super-duper Tiger Warriors who have been enlightened and augmented by special armor (maybe replace Gunzosha armor?) until they're somewhere between SPARTAN-117 and Doomguy. Space Marines strike me as heroic mortals augmented with the above armor and 1CD equivalents made by an E10 Solar who loved bio-augmentations so much that he made ones that reproduce, kinda like Neomah. There's no better way to get large numbers of competent fighters than exponential growth, and this way you even get to pick who you give the competence to!

How do Kerisian demons get made, anyway? They don't have access to Neomah, as far as I know. Do they have some neomah expy, or reproduce on their own like humans, or are they all made by the Princesses and Princes?
 
Aleph said:
Well, this isn't a quest, it's a bunch of published game logs forming a narrative. But fear not! Krisity Keruby Kwest, which I may get around to starting next year, will indeed be set in Krisity.
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This is shiny good news. Also, oops. I knew what I meant but i wrote down the wrong thing. ^_^;
 
GeneralChaos said:
Now you have me wondering about a transhumanist Solar or Lunar using Sorcerous Workings (or maybe your undisclosed Project system) to build an inner world for herself.

Dammit, now I'm wondering what 2 and 3CD-equivalent minions an E10 Solar would make. Maybe super-duper Tiger Warriors who have been enlightened and augmented by special armor (maybe replace Gunzosha armor?) until they're somewhere between SPARTAN-117 and Doomguy. Space Marines strike me as heroic mortals augmented with the above armor and 1CD equivalents made by an E10 Solar who loved bio-augmentations so much that he made ones that reproduce, kinda like Neomah. There's no better way to get large numbers of competent fighters than exponential growth, and this way you even get to pick who you give the competence to!

How do Kerisian demons get made, anyway? They don't have access to Neomah, as far as I know. Do they have some neomah expy, or reproduce on their own like humans, or are they all made by the Princesses and Princes?
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You can just enlighten Tiger-Captains and Tiger-Generals. I mean, it's hardly out of theme to have a handful of absurdly badass lieutenants who have absorbed your teachings even better and have your whole quirky miniboss squad before the plucky dragonblooded hero gets to the final boss.

I'm not 100% on whether this should be a thing or if it reduces the need to get allies out of other Exalts too much, but on the other hand Infernals having subsouls is pretty thematically important, Sorcerors have always been able to summon 2-3CDs, and it'd be just wrong if a Twilight artificer can't make a giant robot and unleash it on a city. (To be fended off by a Dragonblooded sworn brotherhood in multicoloured spandex and their combining jade warstrider of course)

So the cat is probably out of the box already.
 
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Pale Wolf said:
You can just enlighten Tiger-Captains and Tiger-Generals. I mean, it's hardly out of theme to have a handful of absurdly badass lieutenants who have absorbed your teachings even better and have your whole quirky miniboss squad before the plucky dragonblooded hero gets to the final boss.

I'm not 100% on whether this should be a thing or if it reduces the need to get allies out of other Exalts too much, but on the other hand Infernals having subsouls is pretty thematically important, Sorcerors have always been able to summon 2-3CDs, and it'd be just wrong if a Twilight artificer can't make a giant robot and unleash it on a city. (To be fended off by a Dragonblooded sworn brotherhood in multicoloured spandex and their combining jade warstrider of course)

So the cat is probably out of the box already.
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Solars get to do many things, but they don't get to do them in any way they feel like.

And of course, they don't get to break the "You can't break the cost-effectiveness-reproducibility trifecta of Dragonblooded" rule or do things that are not Usurpation-OK.

Hence, any "Solar giant robot" is probably going to be more properly a golem-shell that is inhabited by another being like a demon or elemental, will require ruinously expensive upkeep and may well only have 300s of power if taken away from its geomantic harmoniser, or otherwise it'll just go down like a toddler against serious Essence-using opposition.

To put it another way, if a Solar wants their own Ginyu Force, they'll need to recruit a mix of gods, demons and elementals, lead by a demon with a body-swapping power.
 
Aleph said:
No. This could potentially change specifically for Kerisgame, as @EarthScorpion mentions here, but I'm not too interested in doing so. Keris may, if she survives to elderhood and hangs around to the point where old age starts to threaten, finish off her life with some fucking huge Adamant ritual that externalises it, turns her hun soul into a Third Circle and basically sets up Krisity as an Elsewhere realm with links to Creation. Which will probably involve negotiating with Heaven beforehand to get permission and aid in setting it up, and so it would wind up as an allied realm with mutual defence pacts, evacuation agreements in case of another Great Contagion or similar and deva-summoning (fluffed as "calling on old pacts" a'la elves and men in LotR, so they're not just the summoner's slaves and may in fact require payment and respectful treatment). She would then, as a "first among equals" E10 Third Circle, proceed to be teriblu. :p
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The Sandman said:
Two thoughts I just had.

Second, another good reason why humans can't enter an Infernal's soul-world even with the Infernal's permission is that the ability to have a Cult living inside your soul and constantly providing Essence refills would snap game balance over its knee.
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horngeek said:
Yeah- this is why, when I wrote Brazen Gates Unbarred, @Aleph convinced me to put a fairly strict time limit on how long you could spend in the Domain if you weren't part of the Infernal's Mythos.
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Speaking of discussion for the general exalted thread, this talk of entering the Infernal's soul world brings up a thought:If you wanted a basis for simple and relatively free interaction between the soul world and people other than the infernal and creatures from her mythos, without exposing the Po or Coadjuster or otherwise breaking things via invulnerable, perfectly provided for Cult, why not use the framework created by dream invasion and Seven Nights Shintai as an inspiration?

But as that's not really relevant to this thread I've gone on about that at greater length... In the general exalted thread. I'm just making this post so that people are aware that the post there exists and know its topic in case it's an interesting line of discussion to them.
 
About the earlier discussion on Po-based Pantheon Charms: would it be possible for an Infernal to invent and use a Po Shintai? Because turning into a giant snake always helps.
 
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azoicennead said:
Rule 34: I will not turn into a snake. It never helps.
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MooGoesCow21 said:
The Evil Overlord List does not apply to Exalted turning into a snake does indeed help
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While Harry Potter and Methods of Rationality by Eliezier Yudkwosky is somewhat a guilty pleasure of mine, and I feel conflicted on some of its parts, I wholeheartedly agree on its version of Professor Quirrel on this matter: "Thirty-sseven ruless, number thirty-four: Become Animaguss. All ssensible people do, if can. Thuss, very rare."
 
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