Army of Liberty: a Fantasy Revolutionary Warfare Quest
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Well this is extremely chaotic but not actually catastrophe quite yet, I think. Von Trotha doesn't have much in the way of troops left to exploit this attack in the center - just the nymphs and the humans. Guillory's hussars and the 55th can launch some charges to stabilize the situation. His grand bombardment before the attack also means he only has 1 Ready Fire set, which makes me think this might be a decent opportunity to advance with our infantry around the Rotholz. All very exciting!
edit: and the nymphs are in massive trouble - they swept our halflings out but they're at 19 stress.
edit: and the nymphs are in massive trouble - they swept our halflings out but they're at 19 stress.
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Huh. That is unexpected, Trotha actually attempted to shatter the centre. I overestimated his defensiveness, he is certainly willing to risk things on a decisive attack. The attack on the 10th is not great, but ultimately manageable thanks to their human trait. Trotha is more desperate than I expected. We took a blow, but are now in a position to break him.
Mild crisis, but we can manage this:
Mild crisis, but we can manage this:
- Enemy Nymphs can be routed with one action (19 stress) and one rear shot. This, alongside the hobs being already routed stabilizes our flank position towards a simple 1 vs. 1, though we are in a better position to be reinforced.
- The centre is a bit critical, but can be salvaged thanks to our superior morale. The core issue is defeating the 8th Elven Hsr, which we can do with battery fire plus a charge.
- Rotholz is shockingly intact. A good time for the 45th and 148th to take a break, especially with Trotha loosing info on most of our position. I would strongly recommend charging the 9th Elv Hsr this turn, he's completly exhausted his remaining reserves.
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Well technically speaking, von Trotha did exactly what the description of him said he does: he launched a major bombardment to soften us up, then committed.
It's just that said major bombardment happened on the same turn he committed.
Still, I think we should take this as a lesson. Like, I am kind of twitching since I was reassured that we don't have to worry about our artillery being threatened only for this to happen.
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I'm still going through the combat logs, though in defense of any plan here: Nobody of us had a combined long-range infantry and cavalry assault in mind. Though that would also mean we can try and kill one of his artillery positions with the 55th via Sarnscheid, which is fun. I think there is room for an encirclement of most of his battery here.
Well, it could have gone worse. We got some pretty good morale rolls.
Though, I think this turn can demonstrate the importance of having protection against enemy cavalry for your artillery, and also that placement is really important for those protective units. And also, feared is really strong.
Though, I think this turn can demonstrate the importance of having protection against enemy cavalry for your artillery, and also that placement is really important for those protective units. And also, feared is really strong.
Yeah, I get that, this turn could have gone really bad if we lacked units in the center. For lessons, I already mentioned two above, but longer term we want to get more infantry, and probably interpret how enemy commander will act less strictly. And with the change to ambush rules, have better scouting so we can reveal ambushes and also be better aware of the possibility of an attack.
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Alright, basic considerations regarding the strength: We are going to regain 2 cavalry units this coming turn (108th rests, 13th Hob Lanc) is able to move once and rest thanks to being an optimist. We can rout the 8th, which is going to mean Trotha lacks 3 of his cavalry for 2 turns (move + rest). Also, his infantry still has to regroup, so yeah. If we take out the 9th via cavalry charge like proposed last turn, we might be able to leverage this into a serious wound for his battery. His line is in tatters, we just lack the forces to concretely exploit this.
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How is our far right flank? Do we think Von Trotha has more units there? Because if not, the 341st Elven Hussars seem to be in a good position to outflank most of Von Trotha's units on our right flank and hit the enemy artillery. They must first move through Rotholz forest but I think it could be done. Do routed units provide spotting information? Also, how many hexes can cavalry move in a forest tile?
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So, Trotha probably has no more units in Rotholz on account of the units being accounted for (33rd Dwa still routed). But straight up charging the artillery is a bad idea, both of the remaining hussars have ready actions which are designed for interception (charge, melee, move in all likelyhood). Still, using their charge to take out the 9th Elv Hsr has been proposed before and is a decent enough idea.
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Should we strike st the H.M. Hussars as well? Worried they might pitch in as a followup attack. They've got the movement to rush inand hit our horse arty with a charge and then pull back.
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I don't know, the enemy cavalry charge on our 10th Hum Artillery seems pretty devastating, and I don't think Von Trotha has very many units guarding his artillery. However, we definitely should try to take out the 9th Elv Hsr next turn like you propose. That will give us options to either wheel around the enemy's flanks and hit the enemy units in the center of the map or turn and threaten Von Trotha's artillery.
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I think moving the 55th towards the hills to Ready Charge from there ended up being a little too tricky-clever in retrospect - it shielded them from the artillery but it also seems like covering that extra space (might be what) kept them from arriving before the 10th was hit. We can make a note of that for the future: keep anti-cavalry screens stapled as close as possible to their protectees so it's an easy intercept.
Think we can be alright with this outcome overall though. The XP damage to the 10th will suck a lot (especially since they're gonna be taking green replacements instead of pros) but it's only one unit. Our favorite unit - everyone loves Granger - but just one, and they'll get their XP back up. And yeah, this means that von Trotha's thrown his last reserves onto the field. We can push forward without (much) fear of surprise cavalry charges now.
What would the math look like for Guillory hitting both hussars, one charge each? It'd be nice to be able to tie down all of his cavalry to prevent any surprises but if we don't rout at least one of them right away we might end up losing the engagement overall.
Think we can be alright with this outcome overall though. The XP damage to the 10th will suck a lot (especially since they're gonna be taking green replacements instead of pros) but it's only one unit. Our favorite unit - everyone loves Granger - but just one, and they'll get their XP back up. And yeah, this means that von Trotha's thrown his last reserves onto the field. We can push forward without (much) fear of surprise cavalry charges now.
What would the math look like for Guillory hitting both hussars, one charge each? It'd be nice to be able to tie down all of his cavalry to prevent any surprises but if we don't rout at least one of them right away we might end up losing the engagement overall.
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Bad day to be a royalist.
Bad day to be a royalist.
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Routing the 9th is guarantueed, we would have ambush, 2 charges, potential flank attack, causulties and so on. The trickier part is calculating what exactly happens with the 350th, I would assume they would be meleed and charged due to Trotha loosing LoS (1 disadv. check, 1 normal, virtually no causulties). Chances of a rout there vary, but are only 1 in 3. This becomes much less problematic on the following turn due to gaining momentum (+2 from routed nymphs, +1 from 20th Dwa, +1 from Hsr, +1 from routing the 9th Elv Hsr). The only sticking point is the 15th Dwa, which might actually need to be charged to prevent them from doing their own charge on them. This charge is luck dependant, but also allows us to fall into Trotha's back and overwhelm him with center cavalry on the following turn, just by keeping the other ones occupied.
Also, I would recommend using the 55th to charge, in order to distract the HM 1st Elv HSR without triggering the 9th.
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Well, we left our artillery uncovered and paid the price for it. Lessons for the future.
Ok, so first of all, wow.
Second, turns out my paranoia was justified:
My feeling of vindication for being right is heavily undermined by the fact that my plan did not really work. We failed to adequetly cover the center and lost the 13th as well as the halflings. We really should have kept the 13th further back, after all. Things could have gone better, I did underestimate the strength of his push somewhat.
It probably is not a surprise to anyone that my assesment of the situation is more negative than what I have seen from the others. He has two fresh cavalry held back on the Rotholz flank, if those join the action in the center there may be too much pressure for us to handle. Crucially, our infantry in the Rotholz is a bit too far away to help defend our main position.
While I usually would not support attacking while our center is under pressure, we need to do something with the infantry in the East. A counter-attack to threaten his artillery may be called for, after all.
Second, turns out my paranoia was justified:
and now:
And also:
And what ended up happening:
So, turns out keeping the Hobs in the center was absolutely the correct decision. With no Hobs in the middle, his cavalry and infantry could have struck our artillery with impunity.
My feeling of vindication for being right is heavily undermined by the fact that my plan did not really work. We failed to adequetly cover the center and lost the 13th as well as the halflings. We really should have kept the 13th further back, after all. Things could have gone better, I did underestimate the strength of his push somewhat.
It probably is not a surprise to anyone that my assesment of the situation is more negative than what I have seen from the others. He has two fresh cavalry held back on the Rotholz flank, if those join the action in the center there may be too much pressure for us to handle. Crucially, our infantry in the Rotholz is a bit too far away to help defend our main position.
While I usually would not support attacking while our center is under pressure, we need to do something with the infantry in the East. A counter-attack to threaten his artillery may be called for, after all.
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Draft Plan Hussars Delenda Est, Rotholz Push
-[] Infantry
-[] 200th Hob: 3*Melee 20th Dwa [84% for 100+ casualties, 1 check melee, 1 disadv. casulties, 1 rout?; 70% for routing]
-[] 251st Hob: 2*Charge 8th Elv Hsr, Melee [2 morale checks from charge + melee, causulty math more complex]
-[] 16th Half: Fire at Nym Rng [routing guarantueed due to 19 stress], Brace, Ready Fire Medium Range
-[] 72nd Hum: Brace, 2* Fire at 15th Dwa
-[] 148th Hum: 3*Rest
-[] 42nd Elv: 2*Move NW, Ready Fire [close range]
-[] 45th Elv: 3*Charge 15th Dwa [ambush, charge -> 2 morale checks; pins unit down and benefits from momentum next turn]
-[] Cavalry
-[] Guillory's Hussars: Charge 9th Elv Hsr, ideally out of the Rotholz or east of the hill range, prepare for countercharge if feasible
-[] 55th Elv Hsr: Charge 8th Elv Hsr, Move NE of 10th Hum Art, Ready Charge [deliberate move to distract the HM Hsr, allowing us to take out the 9th Elv Hsr while still playing against any follow-up charge]
-[] Artillery
-[] 31st Elv Art: Fire at 31st Dwa, Brace
-[] 84th Elv Art: Fire at 31st Dwa, Brace
-[] 10th Hum Art: Fire at 31st Dwa, Brace
-[] 5th Hob H Art: Fire at 31st Dwa, Move 2E, NE
-[] HQ: 3* Move, 2 SE
In short, this plan emphasizes a divide and conquer strategy in regards to the enemy cavalry. Rather than taking out the artillery directly, I propose taking out one of the remaining Elven Hussars while also positioning Guillory's cavalry in an excellent position to attack Trotha's battery in the rear. This forces a couple uncomfortable sacrifices like charging with the 45 at +0 morale, or deliberately taking a blow from interception with the 55th, though the role of the elves is largely finished. With the lancers recovering full stress this turn due to optimism, alongside the 108th; weakening his remaining screen should be a priority in my opinion.
The artillery is actually free to deliver a volley on the 31st, setting us up to fully shatter his intact infantry position in the center out of Rotholz.
-[] Infantry
-[] 200th Hob: 3*Melee 20th Dwa [84% for 100+ casualties, 1 check melee, 1 disadv. casulties, 1 rout?; 70% for routing]
-[] 251st Hob: 2*Charge 8th Elv Hsr, Melee [2 morale checks from charge + melee, causulty math more complex]
-[] 16th Half: Fire at Nym Rng [routing guarantueed due to 19 stress], Brace, Ready Fire Medium Range
-[] 72nd Hum: Brace, 2* Fire at 15th Dwa
-[] 148th Hum: 3*Rest
-[] 42nd Elv: 2*Move NW, Ready Fire [close range]
-[] 45th Elv: 3*Charge 15th Dwa [ambush, charge -> 2 morale checks; pins unit down and benefits from momentum next turn]
-[] Cavalry
-[] Guillory's Hussars: Charge 9th Elv Hsr, ideally out of the Rotholz or east of the hill range, prepare for countercharge if feasible
-[] 55th Elv Hsr: Charge 8th Elv Hsr, Move NE of 10th Hum Art, Ready Charge [deliberate move to distract the HM Hsr, allowing us to take out the 9th Elv Hsr while still playing against any follow-up charge]
-[] Artillery
-[] 31st Elv Art: Fire at 31st Dwa, Brace
-[] 84th Elv Art: Fire at 31st Dwa, Brace
-[] 10th Hum Art: Fire at 31st Dwa, Brace
-[] 5th Hob H Art: Fire at 31st Dwa, Move 2E, NE
-[] HQ: 3* Move, 2 SE
In short, this plan emphasizes a divide and conquer strategy in regards to the enemy cavalry. Rather than taking out the artillery directly, I propose taking out one of the remaining Elven Hussars while also positioning Guillory's cavalry in an excellent position to attack Trotha's battery in the rear. This forces a couple uncomfortable sacrifices like charging with the 45 at +0 morale, or deliberately taking a blow from interception with the 55th, though the role of the elves is largely finished. With the lancers recovering full stress this turn due to optimism, alongside the 108th; weakening his remaining screen should be a priority in my opinion.
The artillery is actually free to deliver a volley on the 31st, setting us up to fully shatter his intact infantry position in the center out of Rotholz.
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I think this plan looks okay; it seems to deal with most of our immediate problems. The only thing that I'm worried about is Guillory's hussars. Unless we roll badly, they should be able to break the 9th Elven Hussars, but I fear that they would be in a position where Von Trotha could perform a crossfire with his artillery, but IDK. Any thoughts?
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No, they would be behind the hills. The issue potentially coming up would be a charge in the side by the HM Hussars, though they would likely survive this if we get enough momentum.
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Could we split Guillory's hussars and charge both enemy cavalry units?
Looks ok to me otherwise, but I disagree witv the artillery orders. The 31th is a lonely infantry unit, it is not a immediate threat to us. I would much rather shoot at the 8th, can we do that without hitting the 13th?
Edit: Also our horse artiller could go NE, NE, E and shoot the 9th. That hill is a nice position if we expect to fight on the Eastern flank.
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Shooting the 8th is unnecessary, they will be charged by the 251st, charged by other cavalry, meleed and probably suffer stress damage from routing. Weakening the 31st has a some chance of destroying his infantry position in the center. They barely resist getting routing from being charged by the 251st alone, this is more than enough.
Potentially, though this would seriously lower our chance to take out the 9th Elv Hsr. It's also kind of problematic movement wise, since we are trying to hit the resting position of a moving target. I don't really think it's sufficiently viable, better to attempt taking them out at the beginning of next turn, alongside a combined offensive.