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Army of Liberty: a Fantasy Revolutionary Warfare Quest

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Pinniped said:
Ok, so I have major issues with pretty much all the proposed plans. This stems from the fact that they are all pretty much committing all our troops, with nothing held in reserve, in a situation where the enemy has two units of cavalry and his elite horse artillery completely unaccounted for. Like honestly, are we just forgetting those units are lurking somewhere abd hoping that they do not ruin our attack at the worst possible moment?
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Most plans keep 3 whole units of cavalry in the centre. The 2 western units of cavalry could only try and charge onto the hill range, where they run into a lot of intercepting cavalry. His cavalry can't do a lot, and horse artillery does little by itself (60-40 on doing on morale check). They can charge, but our screen easily shrugs off one check with disadvantage.
Pinniped said:
Like tbh, I am a bit confused why most plans are so dead set on attacking? The original plan was to skirmish, bleed the enemy and retreat. The winning T1 vote was billed as such. When did this plan change to an all-out attack with no clear plan for a safe retreat? Why did it change? Our situation is not exactly better than it was then, so why the sudden focus on aggression?
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Well, that was before his attack on Rotholz nearly collapsed in a single turn. Plans change with the circumstances, with Counter-attack actually creating a way of plausibly charging his artillery. I anticipated him sending an actual force onto Rotholz (at least 4 units), but he decided to go in such a way that we could defeat him in detail.
 
Pinniped said:
Ok, so I have major issues with pretty much all the proposed plans. This stems from the fact that they are all pretty much committing all our troops, with nothing held in reserve, in a situation where the enemy has two units of cavalry and his elite horse artillery completely unaccounted for. Like honestly, are we just forgetting those units are lurking somewhere abd hoping that they do not ruin our attack at the worst possible moment?

Looking at this further, I am becoming pretty confident those units are at the westetn flank, with the cavalry emerging out of Rauberholz and the Horse Artillery from the hills near Sarnscheid. Because of this, I worry that the proposed charge of the 13th Hob Lancers against the 109th will run into both Ready Fire from his Horse Artillery and potentially two Ready Charges from his Hussars. Honestly, it feels like we are repeating the same mistake we lost the 108th to: moving cavalry to a tile near a Forest edge with potential enemies nearby.

Like tbh, I am a bit confused why most plans are so dead set on attacking? The original plan was to skirmish, bleed the enemy and retreat. The winning T1 vote was billed as such. When did this plan change to an all-out attack with no clear plan for a safe retreat? Why did it change? Our situation is not exactly better than it was then, so why the sudden focus on aggression?
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We can't retreat, we are so far overextended that a retreat would probably turn into a rout.


I don't understand why we are attacking in the west either, we can just move our units away from the western thrust, the pressure in the east is intense and will end the battle in 2-3 turns.


It doesn't make sense to try shoring up our weaknesses through risking incredible valuable cavalry instead of pressing on our strength instead, cause we can just move the artillery east next turn and prevent the western flank from being a threat.

And of course the western flank will get captured so damage doesn't matter
 
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Red Rationalist said:
[X] Plan Kirschenholz Withdrawl, Rotholz Showdown
-[X] Visualization
-[X] Infantry
-[X] 72nd Hum: Fire at 33rd Dwa, Move E Facing NE, Brace
-[X] 148th Hum: 3*Move SE
-[X] 42nd Elv: 3 Move NE
-[X] 45th Elv: Melee Neu 144th Elv, 2*Melee Son 74th Elv
-[X] 251st Hob: 3*Move [2E, 2 NE,NW]
-[X] 200th Hob: 3 Move [3 E, 2 NE]
-[X] 16th Half Pfd: 2*Move [SW,SE,SW], Ready Fire medium range
-[X] 19th Half Pfd: Move, 2*Ready Fire medium range
-[X] 28th Half Pfd: Fire at 20th Dwa [ambush, token damage but stress buildup], 2* move [SE, SW]
-[X] Cavalry
-[X] G. H: Take up positions just north of our field artillery , charge any unit that approaches beyond the Rotholz line
-[X] 13th Hob Lance: Ready 2* Charge, Move towards original position (on any infantry that allows retreat towards original position after charge)
-[] 55th Elv Hsr: Move [E,NE], Ready Charge, Move (towards orginal position)
-[X] Artillery
-[X] Horse Artillery: Move 2W, Fire at 20th Dwa (ambush, 50+ caulties with 73% -> 2 morale checks)
-[X] 31st Elv Art: Set Up, Fire at 33rd Dwa (78% for 100+ casulties, morale check with disadvantage) *1
-[X] 10th Hum Art: Fire at 33rd Dwa, Move E
-[X] 84th Elv Art: Fire at 33rd Dwa, Move E
HQ
-[X] HQ: resupply 10th Hum Art after firing



Relevant inkscape file. This one might be a more contentious plan.

Right, this is a more aggressive plan centered around feeding our success at Rotholz by increasing our local numerical superiority and cutting our losses at Kirschenholz. I'm putting our Halflings at Hill range between, thus punishing any further nymph advancement with an ambush that quickly threatens to rout the nymphs (-3 momentum after our turn, 3 ambush morale checks). The Hobs are subsequently deployed towards Rotholz, allowing us to set up for a attack column and threaten Trotha. He will be forced to deploy his remaining dwarves towards Rotholz, which we can then shatter using artillery. Combined with our artillery in the centre, we will just have to wait a turn for the right moment to exploit.

Edit: Decided to cut the lancer attack because of the likelyhood of cavalry interception. A bit unfortunate, but it does make our main position safer and allows us to keep some pressure on anything emerging from Kirschenholz.

Units certain to rout (33rd Dwa, 2 Elves); taking us to a nice +2 momentum.

Also, I'm going to approval vote the major plan proposed here. Counter attack is the sort of unconventional move that can turn this into a decisive victory.

[X] Plan: Counter Attack
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Question: why is the 350th Hussars running over our own Wolf Holes?

@Photomajig Could we have another day or two to discuss? I haven't been able to really think things through because it's been a busy few weekdays and it seems we're still heavily divided on our plans.
 
Could we give our artillery the order to manually rout and abandon the guns to get away faster.

Is there any way we could get some spotting into his backline to stop the cavalry ambushes
 
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Chimeraguard said:
Question: why is the 350th Hussars running over our own Wolf Holes?
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I don't actually control their movement due to them being allied, just made a rough arrow for how they move. Guillory would presumably avoid the wolf holes, since he knows where they are.
Pinniped said:
Are you counting the routed 108th? Because we only have the 55th and 13th in the centre, and most plans are using the 13th to charge this turn, risking damage to them and preventing them from being used for interception.
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If we are talking my plan, than no. I'm keeping the 55th on a hill overlooking the central plains, the lancers and G. Hussars in the centre (aborted the lancer charge due to concerns about probably interception). Even if the lancers charge, that is still a 3-2 combat we are able to win.
 
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@Photomajig Semi-relevant question to the battle: We know elves regenerate causulties based on their racial trait, but I don't think we were told the actual formula behind it. Raka would presumably be familiar with military statistics of casualty recovery based on her career and general historical knowledge. Very roughly speaking, what is the average ratio of recovery for elves and other kin? That one is somewhat important for comparing elf attrition towards the attrition of other units.
 
I was also part of team "hold the Rotholz for 1-2 turns and withdraw" but that was before seeing how much damage we actually did there, yeah. We've got decent odds of routing half of his infantry by the end of the turn. Pulling back now gives him time to put all those units back together and try again.

We probably shouldn't send the hobs away from screening the artillery but as long as they're there, I don't think the left flank is a major threat. The maximum force he can have over there is 3-4 infantry, 2 cavalry and maybe one horse artillery without many places to put it. That against our 5 infantry, 2 cavalry and all of our artillery. Launching a desperate charge against our guns would just get all of those units killed for not much gain.
 
Chimeraguard said:
@Photomajig Could we have another day or two to discuss? I haven't been able to really think things through because it's been a busy few weekdays and it seems we're still heavily divided on our plans.
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Done!

Red Rationalist said:
@Photomajig Semi-relevant question to the battle: We know elves regenerate causulties based on their racial trait, but I don't think we were told the actual formula behind it. Raka would presumably be familiar with military statistics of casualty recovery based on her career and general historical knowledge. Very roughly speaking, what is the average ratio of recovery for elves and other kin? That one is somewhat important for comparing elf attrition towards the attrition of other units.
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Raka's knowledge is approximate, IIRC elves have a 30% chance for a Casualty to stick, other Kin 60%. I don't appear to have written the actual values down anywhere, but I think that's right.
 
Okay, that is actually pretty impactful. Only 30% of elven casualties translate into actual casualties, which does explain why they are so popular as hussar units aside from being eagle-eyed aristocrats. Just for the current values: The 20th would loose 34 units on average out of 115 losses, compared to 69 for other kin. Yeah, elves are just genuinely good meat shields when the going get's tough. They can take a volley or two without compromising their overall experience strategically.
 
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