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Anderson Quest: Killing Vampires and Werewolves and Leprechauns (Hellsing/Bloodborne)

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SaltyWaffles said:
No, its servant is a geas'd and crippled slave who guides Hunters along to gather tons of blood echoes before having its servant harvest them and remove those Hunters from the Dream.

And yes, Blood Echoes belong to the Hunter that takes them. And guess what Gerhman does, if you don't kill him first? Kills you. In the Dream. Guess who's a geas'd slave of the Moon Presence?
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There is no evidence in-game that states Moon Presence is forcing Gehrman to kill the Hunter. None whatsoever. Each Hunter taken into the Hunter's Dream is given a specific task, and when the task is completed, Gehrman frees them from the Dream and thus ends their duty to the Hunt.

If the Moon Presence was the Big Good, it wouldn't be forcing Hunters to be removed from the Dream even if they wanted to stay. Having an army of the very best Hunters who could never permanently die would be the best solution to have around. And yet, the Moon Presence doesn't want any of that.
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I don't even know where you get this idea. Have you forgotten what Gehrman said if you refuse to be freed?

"Dear oh dear, what was it? The hunt, the blood, or the horrible dream?"

This is meant as an explanation that Hunters who refused to leave the Hunter's Dream previously are those who went insane during the Hunt, either from bloodlust and battle-craze (the hunt), addiction (the blood), or simply all the horror they had encountered (horrible dream).

In case you don't realize, the Hunt was never supposed to be something anyone even remotely sane wants to stay in. It is deeply traumatizing (being killed over and over but never truly dying) and horribly maddening (gaining Insight and for the first time truly seeing the creatures and horrors that were once hidden to you). That Moon Presence allowed Chosen Hunter to be freed from this contract with the Hunter's Dream (and all the horrors that come with the duty) is a testament that it is not a malicious entity.
 
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Max said:
You know, If Gehrman ever asks us that, I think I have a pretty good response.


"How long have you been here, old man?"
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I, myself (since the Hunter is a silent protagonist), think that dialogue between them at that moment goes like this:

"Dear oh dear, what was it? The hunt, the blood, or the horrible dream?"

"None. I just think you deserve a rest."

It is my own headcanon that, even after all the horror he/she saw and ordeals he/she faced during the Hunt, the Hunter still has enough in them to help one last person, especially after they heard a slumbering Gehrman calling out to Master Willem and Laurence, and pleading to someone, anyone, to free him the Hunter's Dream. Also, in response to this, despite suffering from loneliness and despair for how many decades, Gehrman still fights the Hunter because at this point he is already too fond of them(or he is simply such a bleeding heart) to let them suffer in his place.
 
Galerians said:
I, myself (since the Hunter is a silent protagonist), think that dialogue between them at that moment goes like this:

"Dear oh dear, what was it? The hunt, the blood, or the horrible dream?"

"None. I just think you deserve a rest."

It is my own headcanon that, even after all the horror he/she saw and ordeals he/she faced during the Hunt, the Hunter still has enough in them to help one last person, especially after they heard a slumbering Gehrman calling out to Master Willem and Laurence, and pleading to someone, anyone, to free him the Hunter's Dream. Also, in response to this, despite suffering from loneliness and despair for how many decades, Gehrman still fights the Hunter because at this point he is already too fond of them(or he is simply such a bleeding heart) to let them suffer in his place.
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Yeah, I think I like that one better.
 
[x] "Well, I suppose there's only one thing TO do at this point.
-[x] "Let me tell you a story about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
--[x] "Who died for all our sins. Yes, all of ours. Yes, yours too."
---[x] "The pope says aliens can be Christians too, so why the heck not, right?"
 
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sonicfan315 said:
x] "Well, I suppose there's only one thing TO do at this point.
-[x] "Let me tell you a story about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
--[x] "Who died for all our sins. Yes, all of ours. Yes, yours too."
---[x] "The pope says aliens can be Christians too, so why the heck not, right?"
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You're missing a bracket there, pal.
 
RocjawCypher said:
For me at least, It can be exhausting to follow, over complicated in scope, and with a single stroke render the entire story pointless because it never happened in the first place.

You've got stable time loops to emphasize the futility of trying to make things better, because whatever you try to do will only cause the problem in the first place. You've got butterfly fics, where the slightest change has massively unforseen consequences, and trying to fix those makes it worse. And then you have the paradox fics where you can retcon any plot line you get bored of out of existence and tell the fans to go **** themselves.

Horay for no timetravel.
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I can agree that time-travel can be very easily done poorly, but my overall opinion of time manipulation in general is a bit different, apparently.
Tricia said:
Pretty much this. It's almost impossible to completely maintain internal logic unless you use multiverse theory (which I'm totally down for). Plus...



It tends to be ripe for abuse.
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Multiverse theory is pretty nifty, although I personally find it to be a lot more simple than Novokov-style.
To each his own, although I do agree that some time-manipulators can be epic with multiverse theory.

(The Xeelee Sequence, at least, can do time-fuckery pretty damn well.)

SaltyWaffles said:
The Moon Presence Stuff
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Bloodborne is unbelievably free to interpret, so I can't fault you for thinking along these lines.
However, The Moon Presence and its plans seem to be, if nothing else, helpful. As noted by that one description, Great Ones are sympathetic in spirit, and many of Gehrman's actions appear to be his own. It takes a bit to explain, and everyone already did, but I absolutely can't think of that Eldritch Not-Nyarlathotep being completely evil. Maybe using the Hunt as an excuse to execute its plans and only helping people as a side thought, sure, but not exactly malovent.

Also, yes. I realize that I put that paragraph towards saying "The Nyarlathotep Expy-ish (if you squint) is a good guy".
Don't mention that irony.
 
Luca Morello said:
Sorry, but you used the worst possible Outer God to compare when talking about something not being completely evil
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He also used the only one that actually understands humanity as something other than tiny meaningless ants. Problem is, Nyarly is a dick.

The Moon Presence is likely to have his own agenda, (one that likely involves killing the possible offspring of the other Great Ones before they can challenge it,) but he probably thinks something along the lines of...

"Hey, I just had an idea! I'll create a Dream Realm for those Hunter guys to respawn in when they die! Then I'll sic 'em on the other Great Ones so they'll be too busy being dead to mess with me! And that'll help the Hunters kill those weird beast guys too! It'll be Great!

"Let's see, I'll need someone to guide the Hunters and help them out, someone to make them good weapons, someone to give them cryptic hints before dumping them outside and telling them to kill those otherworldly gribblies.

"Oh, hey. That guy seems cool. He has a scythe-sword, those are cool anywhere in the cosmos. I'll make him that offer.

"He accepted! That's great! Now let's get to work!"

Years later...

"Huh, that cool hunter seems a bit weird... maybe he's feeling... what was that thing humans felt? Sadness? I think that's sadness. But why is he sad? Hmm... what was that other thing humans feel? The one they feel when they don't have other people or animals around them?

"Loneliness! He's lonely, isn't he? Aw, poor guy, it hasn't even been that long. Oh, I know! I'll give that cute doll he liked life! That'll help, right? Right."

tl;dr Moon Presence: I'M HELPING! :D
 
Just throwing an idea out: What if we went and asked Gherman for his opinion, now that Ebrietas is a confirmedish non-hostile?
 
Highwind said:
He also used the only one that actually understands humanity as something other than tiny meaningless ants. Problem is, Nyarly is a dick.

The Moon Presence is likely to have his own agenda, (one that likely involves killing the possible offspring of the other Great Ones before they can challenge it,) but he probably thinks something along the lines of...

"Hey, I just had an idea! I'll create a Dream Realm for those Hunter guys to respawn in when they die! Then I'll sic 'em on the other Great Ones so they'll be too busy being dead to mess with me! And that'll help the Hunters kill those weird beast guys too! It'll be Great!

"Let's see, I'll need someone to guide the Hunters and help them out, someone to make them good weapons, someone to give them cryptic hints before dumping them outside and telling them to kill those otherworldly gribblies.

"Oh, hey. That guy seems cool. He has a scythe-sword, those are cool anywhere in the cosmos. I'll make him that offer.

"He accepted! That's great! Now let's get to work!"

Years later...

"Huh, that cool hunter seems a bit weird... maybe he's feeling... what was that thing humans felt? Sadness? I think that's sadness. But why is he sad? Hmm... what was that other thing humans feel? The one they feel when they don't have other people or animals around them?

"Loneliness! He's lonely, isn't he? Aw, poor guy, it hasn't even been that long. Oh, I know! I'll give that cute doll he liked life! That'll help, right? Right."

tl;dr Moon Presence: I'M HELPING! :D
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To be fair Gnarly understands humans much better than that, however he uses that understanding to dick around with them
 
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    • Tricia said:
    "There's some good stuff in here," you add. "There's one bit where a man kills a thousand enemies usin' only a donkey's jawbone. It's great."
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    Samson represent.

    Tricia said:
    You feel a pang of homesickness, partially because you can't show Francis what you pulled off and partly because you can't rub it in the faces of the hoity-toity cockbags iin the Vatican who always gave you shit. Who's an "obsolete, sociopathic relic of an unenlightened age" now?
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    We need to find a way to ride Ebrietas right into the Vatican to visit Il Papa. It'd be hilarious.
     
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