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Anderson Quest: Killing Vampires and Werewolves and Leprechauns (Hellsing/Bloodborne)

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[x] "Well, you've told me how all of this started from your end. If you don't know where to go from here, perhaps you'd like to listen to how things started on my end? It might help."
- [x] "Let me tell you a story about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
--[x] "Who died for all our sins. Yes, all of ours. Yes, yours too."
---[x] "The pope says aliens can be Christians too, so why the heck not, right?

We can give her the pamphlet version of the Good Word for now.

Also, where do we go from here? Do we ask where the other mediocre ones are? Questions for Byrgenwerth? Ask her if knows some eldritch juju that can possibly reverse the effects of the Old Blood?
 
[x] "Well, I suppose there's only one thing TO do at this point.
-[x] "Let me tell you a story about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
--[x] "Who died for all our sins. Yes, all of ours. Yes, yours too."
---[x] "The pope says aliens can be Christians too, so why the heck not, right?"
 
[x] "Well, you've told me how all of this started from your end. If you don't know where to go from here, perhaps you'd like to listen to how things started on my end? It might help."
- [x] "Let me tell you a story about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
--[x] "Who died for all our sins. Yes, all of ours. Yes, yours too."
---[x] "The pope says aliens can be Christians too, so why the heck not, right?
 
[x] "Well, you've told me how all of this started from your end. If you don't know where to go from here, perhaps you'd like to listen to how things started on my end? It might help."
- [x] "Let me tell you a story about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
--[x] "Who died for all our sins. Yes, all of ours. Yes, yours too."
---[x] "The pope says aliens can be Christians too, so why the heck not, right?
 
[x] "Well, you've told me how all of this started from your end. If you don't know where to go from here, perhaps you'd like to listen to how things started on my end? It might help."
- [x] "Let me tell you a story about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
--[x] "Who died for all our sins. Yes, all of ours. Yes, yours too."
---[x] "The pope says aliens can be Christians too, so why the heck not, right?
 
Legionary said:
Oh, this:

STUFF FROM THE WIKI

Though I will admit that the above quote does say remains... like most things in Soft games it appears to be open to interpretation here whether it's Allison's still living body frozen in time or her corpse. Going to need QM word of god here I think for which is which
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Okay SO. About that.

I picked up the official guide a while back, primarily for this quest. I wanted to have a good idea of what canon material to use and what material to butcher for my own amusement (like Yurie).

I can't find a single thing to support that bit from the wiki. I've Googled around, looked at the page's edit history to try to find a source, and pored over every mention of Ebrietas in the guide. Nothing. I don't think the word "servants" even appears in reference to her anywhere.

That said, I still like parts of the idea, but I have a longstanding grudge against timefuckery in fiction. In Quest canon, Allison's mind and body couldn't handle the strain of "uplifting," killing her.
 
defenestrator said:
Also, where do we go from here? Do we ask where the other mediocre ones are? Questions for Byrgenwerth? Ask her if knows some eldritch juju that can possibly reverse the effects of the Old Blood?
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There's still a bunch of monsters that need slaying, like The One Reborn, the Greater Amygdala in the Nightmare Frontier, Micolash, Mergo's Wet Nurse, and most importantly, the Moon Presence.

Remember, the Moon Presence is basically the Bigger Bad, the mastermind behind all this shit (including the Hunter's Dream). It's the thing that's harvesting all the blood echoes that hunters from the Hunter's Dream gather over the course of their Nights of the Hunt. And the thing that's enslaving poor Gerhman.

Oh yeah, and we DO need to kill the Darkbeast Paarl, the Blood-starved Beast, Shadows of Yharnam, those guys at Byrgenworth, the Witches in the Forbidden Forest, and the rest of the Mediocre Ones.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
There's still a bunch of monsters that need slaying, like The One Reborn, the Greater Amygdala in the Nightmare Frontier, Micolash, Mergo's Wet Nurse, and most importantly, the Moon Presence.

Remember, the Moon Presence is basically the Bigger Bad, the mastermind behind all this shit (including the Hunter's Dream). It's the thing that's harvesting all the blood echoes that hunters from the Hunter's Dream gather over the course of their Nights of the Hunt. And the thing that's enslaving poor Gerhman.

Oh yeah, and we DO need to kill the Darkbeast Paarl, the Blood-starved Beast, Shadows of Yharnam, those guys at Byrgenworth, the Witches in the Forbidden Forest, and the rest of the Mediocre Ones.
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The Moon Presence isn't the one responsible for the Dream Yharnam is stuck with. Mergo is, the target of this cycles Hunt.
 
[x] "Well, you've told me how all of this started from your end. If you don't know where to go from here, perhaps you'd like to listen to how things started on my end? It might help."
- [x] "Let me tell you a story about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
--[x] "Who died for all our sins. Yes, all of ours. Yes, yours too."
---[x] "The pope says aliens can be Christians too, so why the heck not, right?
 
Okay, concerning all of the monsters and aliens and 'gods' and beasts:

The One Reborn, Darkbeast Paarl, Micolash, the Shadows, the Witches: Kill 'em.
Greater Amygdala, Wet Nurse, Moon Presence, 'Mergo(?)': Maybe try to talk to? Amyg's probably gonna die, he's a dick, but the others are worth a shot. Arguably.
Byrgnwerth: Rom we could leave alone, most likely...Actually, yeah don't fucking kill Rom, she's the one keeping the Paleblood Moon out of sight. Leave her be. Willem...No idea. He's pretty much brain-dead. Yuri? We need someone to take out our anger on...(Aside from Micolash (Cage)).




Also: Annalise. We a kill dat bitch.
 
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SaltyWaffles said:
Remember, the Moon Presence is basically the Bigger Bad, the mastermind behind all this shit (including the Hunter's Dream). It's the thing that's harvesting all the blood echoes that hunters from the Hunter's Dream gather over the course of their Nights of the Hunt. And the thing that's enslaving poor Gerhman.
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Dude, rein in your hateboners for a bit. The Scourge of the Beast wasn't started by any of the Great Ones. It was started when the Healing Church experimented with Ebrietas' Blood without fully knowing the consequences, leading to Old Yharnam getting swallowed by the plague. Of course, they didn't exactly learn from this, since after burning down the old city, sealing it off, and building a new one, they still never stopped with the Blood Ministration practices, leading to a new Scourge of the Beast in the new Yharnam.

Moon Presence is the Great One who answered the call for help when the first Scourge of the Beast happened. It conceived the Hunter's Dream, a dimension that preserves a chosen hunter's essence so he/she can revive whenever they are killed, and conscripted Gehrman (either willingly or forcefully) to act as the Dream's watcher.

Sovereign Hunt said:
Okay, concerning all of the monsters and aliens and 'gods' and beasts:

The One Reborn, Darkbeast Paarl, Micolash, the Shadows, the Witches: Kill 'em.
Greater Amygdala, Wet Nurse, Moon Presence, 'Mergo(?)': Maybe try to talk to? Amyg's probably gonna die, he's a dick, but the others are worth a shot. Arguably.
Byrgnwerth: Rom we could leave alone, most likely...Actually, yeah don't fucking kill Rom, she's the one keeping the Paleblood Moon out of sight. Leave her be. Willem...No idea. He's pretty much brain-dead. Yuri? We need someone to take out our anger on...(Aside from Micolash (Cage)).




Also: Annalise. We a kill dat bitch.
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In-game, we can't reach Nightmare Frontier (and thus Micolash and Mergo's Wet Nurse) without offing Rom. So if we don't want to kill her, then we need to develop an alternative.
 
Galerians said:
Dude, rein in your hateboners for a bit. The Scourge of the Beast wasn't started by any of the Great Ones. It was started when the Healing Church experimented with Ebrietas' Blood without fully knowing the consequences, leading to Old Yharnam getting swallowed by the plague. Of course, they didn't exactly learn from this, since after burning down the old city, sealing it off, and building a new one, they still never stopped with the Blood Ministration practices, leading to a new Scourge of the Beast in the new Yharnam.

Moon Presence is the Great One who answered the call for help when the first Scourge of the Beast happened. It conceived the Hunter's Dream, a dimension that preserves a chosen hunter's essence so he/she can revive whenever they are killed, and conscripted Gehrman (either willingly or forcefully) to act as the Dream's watcher.


In-game, we can't reach Nightmare Frontier (and thus Micolash and Mergo's Wet Nurse) without offing Rom. So if we don't want to kill her, then we need to develop an alternative.
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Oh that is simple, beat the utter living crap out of Amygdala in the chapel tell he takes us to his home or the lecture hall. Then jump to the second floor and walk through the door. There instant access to beating up Micolash and Mergo.

We can also beat the crap out of the kidnappers till they take us to their leader. Once we go to the Gaol, we can easily jump the gate blocking Micolash's body and access his place.
 
Sovereign Hunt said:
Any reason why?
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For me at least, It can be exhausting to follow, over complicated in scope, and with a single stroke render the entire story pointless because it never happened in the first place.

You've got stable time loops to emphasize the futility of trying to make things better, because whatever you try to do will only cause the problem in the first place. You've got butterfly fics, where the slightest change has massively unforseen consequences, and trying to fix those makes it worse. And then you have the paradox fics where you can retcon any plot line you get bored of out of existence and tell the fans to go **** themselves.

Horay for no timetravel.
 
reborn214 said:
Oh that is simple, beat the utter living crap out of Amygdala in the chapel tell he takes us to his home or the lecture hall. Then jump to the second floor and walk through the door. There instant access to beating up Micolash and Mergo.

We can also beat the crap out of the kidnappers till they take us to their leader. Once we go to the Gaol, we can easily jump the gate blocking Micolash's body and access his place.
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Or a simpler one.

Due to Ebrietas messing with Anderson's brain, he can now understand the Great Ones' moonspeak. He can probably just go to Rom and politely ask her to transport him to the Nightmare Frontier.

RocjawCypher said:
Horay for no timetravel.
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Thankfully, the time-fuckery in Bloodborne only involves the 'turn back the clock' variant, and even that is focused on the subject presented on the altar, rather than any actual travelling through time. The evidence being, if we try to revive Annalise, rather than we going back in time, the process merely revert Annalise back to the state before she was butchered by Alfred.

Oh hey, this might prove to be a solution for the people who have been infected by the blood treatment. Just present them to the Altar, and maybe the corpse could turn the time back for them to the state before they received any blood treatment (or consumed any blood, period). This is as far-fetched as it goes, though, so I'm not sure if it should be included at all.
 
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Arcman said:
The Moon Presence isn't the one responsible for the Dream Yharnam is stuck with. Mergo is, the target of this cycles Hunt.
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Er, no. Unless you aren't referring to the Hunter's Dream?

Because if you are, then it's all the Moon Presence's doing. That's why Gerhman is still around, every time. He's the Moon Presence's puppet/unwilling servant, and the Moon Presence set up the Hunter's Dream to effectively farm the blood echoes that each Hunter that passes through the Hunter's Dream cycle gathers.

Regardless, the Moon Presence is what keeps the cycle going. Even if the target of a given cycle is different from another given cycle, the Moon Presence is the one perpetuating the existence of the cycle as a whole.
 
RocjawCypher said:
For me at least, It can be exhausting to follow, over complicated in scope, and with a single stroke render the entire story pointless because it never happened in the first place.

You've got stable time loops to emphasize the futility of trying to make things better, because whatever you try to do will only cause the problem in the first place. You've got butterfly fics, where the slightest change has massively unforseen consequences, and trying to fix those makes it worse. And then you have the paradox fics where you can retcon any plot line you get bored of out of existence and tell the fans to go **** themselves.

Horay for no timetravel.
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Pretty much this. It's almost impossible to completely maintain internal logic unless you use multiverse theory (which I'm totally down for). Plus...

Galerians said:
Oh hey, this might prove to be a solution for the people who have been infected by the blood treatment. Just present them to the Altar, and maybe the corpse could turn the time back for them to the state before they received any blood treatment (or consumed any blood, period). This is as far-fetched as it goes, though, so I'm not sure if it should be included at all.
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It tends to be ripe for abuse.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Er, no. Unless you aren't referring to the Hunter's Dream?

Because if you are, then it's all the Moon Presence's doing. That's why Gerhman is still around, every time. He's the Moon Presence's puppet/unwilling servant, and the Moon Presence set up the Hunter's Dream to effectively farm the blood echoes that each Hunter that passes through the Hunter's Dream cycle gathers.

Regardless, the Moon Presence is what keeps the cycle going. Even if the target of a given cycle is different from another given cycle, the Moon Presence is the one perpetuating the existence of the cycle as a whole.
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What a way to shift the blame. Because all the shit that happened in the game? That was all the humans' fault, and it all came from their desire to 'ascend'.

Nightmare of Mensis? Happened because School of Mensis messed with a ritual that summoned Mergo, and the Nightmare with it.

Byrgenwerth? After an encounter with an eldritch Truth (which is implied to be a Great One named Kos/Kosm) Willem and his scholars tried this by lining their brain with 'eyes'. They turned insane before becoming monsters, and Willem himself became a vegetable. Hell, the only one who succeeded to ascend, Rom, immediately used her power to separate the real world from the Nightmare.

The good ol' Yharnam? Laurence and the Healing Church experimented with Ebrietas' blood. Laurence himself got turned into a beast (the Bloodletting Beast, to be exact. Or Host of the Beast Blood, in the original Japanese version), and the experiment caused a plague that ended with Old Yharnam being burned and sealed off. Did they learn from this? Oh no. No no no. They build a new Yharnam right beside the old one and started anew again, the idiots.

The only thing Moon Presence did was creating the Hunter's Dream, and even then, it only did so to answer the call for help when the first Scourge of the Beast happened. It was merely providing a solution to a problem. The one perpetuating the cycle in Bloodborne is the humans, who seem unable to learn that trying to ascend is a very, very bad idea.
 
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Galerians said:
What a way to shift the blame. Because all the shit that happened in the game? That was all the humans' fault, and it all came from their desire to 'ascend'.

Nightmare of Mensis? Happened because School of Mensis messed with a ritual that summoned Mergo, and the Nightmare with it.

Byrgenwerth? After an encounter with an eldritch Truth (which is implied to be a Great One named Kos/Kosm) Willem and his scholars tried this by lining their brain with 'eyes'. They turned insane before becoming monsters, and Willem himself became a vegetable. Hell, the only one who succeeded to ascend, Rom, immediately used her power to separate the real world from the Nightmare.

The good ol' Yharnam? Laurence and the Healing Church experimented with Ebrietas' blood. Laurence himself got turned into a beast (the Bloodletting Beast, to be exact. Or Host of the Beast Blood, in the original Japanese version), and the experiment caused a plague that ended with Old Yharnam being burned and sealed off. Did they learn from this? Oh no. No no no. They build a new Yharnam right beside the old one and started anew again, the idiots.

The only thing Moon Presence did was creating the Hunter's Dream, and even then, it only did so to answer the call for help when the first Scourge of the Beast happened. It was merely providing a solution to a problem. The one perpetuating the cycle in Bloodborne is the humans, who seem unable to learn that trying to ascend is a very, very bad idea.
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Oh, don't misunderstand. There are plenty of human assholes to blame for a whole lot of nasty shit going on in Bloodborne. But trying to portray the Moon Presence as any kind of benevolent being is just missing the mark entirely.

I mean, jesus, it mind-raped Gerhman, enslaved him completely, and forced him to relive the same cycle endlessly, all in his little prison, with no one but The Doll as company. It also seems to keep him crippled until it needs him to fight (and kill the guys who join the Dream...or die trying).
And if you don't acquire an immunity to the Moon Presence's ability preemptively, it'll do the same thing to you.

And again, it set up the Dream to reap the blood echoes that the various Hunters who pass through the dream gather each cycle.
 
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SaltyWaffles said:
And again, it set up the Dream to reap the blood echoes that the various Hunters who pass through the dream gather each cycle.
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What proof do you have of this? My understanding is that the Blood Echoes belong to the Hunter that takes them.

As for the Moon Presence being the Big bad, that's not really possible. If anything its the closest thing to a big good in the game. Its 'servants' are actively hunting the beasts and other great ones after all.
 
APL 123AZ said:
What proof do you have of this? My understanding is that the Blood Echoes belong to the Hunter that takes them.

As for the Moon Presence being the Big bad, that's not really possible. If anything its the closest thing to a big good in the game. Its 'servants' are actively hunting the beasts and other great ones after all.
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No, its servant is a geas'd and crippled slave who guides Hunters along to gather tons of blood echoes before having its servant harvest them and remove those Hunters from the Dream.

And yes, Blood Echoes belong to the Hunter that takes them. And guess what Gerhman does, if you don't kill him first? Kills you. In the Dream. Guess who's a geas'd slave of the Moon Presence?

If the Moon Presence was the Big Good, it wouldn't be forcing Hunters to be removed from the Dream even if they wanted to stay. Having an army of the very best Hunters who could never permanently die would be the best solution to have around. And yet, the Moon Presence doesn't want any of that.
 
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