Short version: there's a very good reason that the first thing an angel always says when it appears before someone is "Fear Not".
Anderson Quest: Killing Vampires and Werewolves and Leprechauns (Hellsing/Bloodborne)
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Imrix
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Yes, but at this point we've got an eldritch abomination and Alexander Fuckmothering Anderson running around. I suspect what's typical in Bloodborne is about to undergo radical recalibration.
Bladestar123
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Did I vote? I don't remember, I think I forgot.
But I think I would've voted for this anyway, because that was beautiful.
But I think I would've voted for this anyway, because that was beautiful.
Oh boy. I'm gonna be honest that woman a while ago who told us where to find the church? The elder surviving church member who her people were tying her up to humiliate her.
Oh goodness. That's going to be a story. Hey I found your god! Oh and she's decided to help me out undo everything your church has done(which by the way she's really upset at it).
Oh goodness. That's going to be a story. Hey I found your god! Oh and she's decided to help me out undo everything your church has done(which by the way she's really upset at it).
She's also converting to MY God.
Yeah we need to rub that in for all its worth.
The reactions all around will be golden.
Gerhmain won't know how to react.
So what's next on the to-do list? I assume that we're gonna bring Ebrietas up to the surface. Might want to be careful when she meets the other survivors, otherwise they all get a dumpload of Insight in one go.
SaltyWaffles
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You know, I find it pretty remarkable--and yet, logically fitting--that SV seems to have no trouble with preaching and attempting to convert everyone they encounter in-quest to Catholicism, despite the sheer prevalence of atheism among SVers.
It's fitting, though, that a bunch of atheists would be both logical and pragmatic about the whole thing, and be happy with the progress being made from a utilitarian perspective. The world of Bloodborne is horrific, bleak, and terrifying. With the nature of the plague, it's extremely hard for them to have faith in their fellow humans, so giving them faith in an omnipresent, benevolent, and compassionate god is honestly quite heartwarming. In a world where the only church is the perpetrator of eldritch horror and corruption of all kinds, converting everyone to Catholicism is a massive step up.
Also, Ebrietas is adorable. I expect Djura to meet her, and following an explanation, go "I'm too old for this shit."
Speaking of Djura, we really need to warn him and the others back at the Chapel ahead of time to expect Ebrietas, so they don't shoot her on sight or something.
It's fitting, though, that a bunch of atheists would be both logical and pragmatic about the whole thing, and be happy with the progress being made from a utilitarian perspective. The world of Bloodborne is horrific, bleak, and terrifying. With the nature of the plague, it's extremely hard for them to have faith in their fellow humans, so giving them faith in an omnipresent, benevolent, and compassionate god is honestly quite heartwarming. In a world where the only church is the perpetrator of eldritch horror and corruption of all kinds, converting everyone to Catholicism is a massive step up.
Also, Ebrietas is adorable. I expect Djura to meet her, and following an explanation, go "I'm too old for this shit."
Speaking of Djura, we really need to warn him and the others back at the Chapel ahead of time to expect Ebrietas, so they don't shoot her on sight or something.
Eh, just stuff her in one of the sleeves.
SaltyWaffles
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I honestly don't see how that could happen. By now, we've killed all of the dangerous members of the Healing Church/Choir. The School of Mensis only has a couple of Hunters left, and they're not leaving Y'harghul (sp?). There's Yurie, sure, but she's not leaving Byrgenworth. The Cleric Beast is dead, and the Blood-starved Beast might be dead as well.
The biggest threat to Ebrietas at this point is the multiple Amygdala hanging around, but if they decide to attack her, Ebrietas would have a lot of backup: Djura and his buddy (and their plentiful DAKKA), the pair of former Church Hunters, Eileen, and Alexander Fuckmothering Anderson.
Also, Ebrietas is one of the most powerful beings in Yharnam or the Nightmare Frontier (if not the most powerful).
SaltyWaffles
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*Ebrietas gains 10 Insight as her mind struggles to handle witnessing something completely beyond her comprehension*
Huh, so this is what that feels like.
I think you're overthinking this. I, for one, am just doing it because it's funny.
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Wow. Must be kinda weird being Christians, considering their own Bible seems to make them believe the ultimate force of good as eldritch abominations.
It's almost like we're playing an extremely religious character and it would be heinously out of character for him to not try to spread the word and love of Jesus Christ.
And kill monsters, heathens, and heretics.
But that would just be a silly reason.
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I dunno man, the Islamic one that has only a few people being able to see the true form at all and the one that gets truly described in its real form having 600 wings which continuously strew multi-colored 'pearls', with its wings covering the entire horizon seems pretty eldritch to me.
Ordinary humans not being able to grasp the true form is a fairly classic eldritch quality. Being enormous and having ridiculous numbers of limbs that are not found in the natural world is another classic.
I mean, nobody ever said 'eldritch' meant 'ugly'. Technically it just means supernatural and unearthly, so it kind of fits angels either way.
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...What were you expecting them to be?
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Well, I, personally, I'm an atheist, but I've found that if you begin looking, then pretty much every religion and mythology is filled with eldritch stuff
Galerians
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Oh, I never disagreed about the 'eldritch' part. Although I personally wouldn't use a word of a bad connotation.
However, I do admit to not know what to feel when what immediately follows after eldritch is 'abomination'. Especially after considering what Abomination meant in Bible.
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Eldritch Abomination comes from TVTropes, it's just a term from there
*raises hand*
Atheist here. I'll try to keep it on topic as it's easy for these kinds of discussions to derail. But the jist of it is my belief system regarding religion takes into account the specifics of the universe I understand it. There aren't any demons here to be afraid of, plently of counter evidence against souls(personalities changing based on brain damage) and a few other factors. Overall I think pursuing secularism is one of the best factors towards having a successful state. Both for religious people too. Baptists of Danbury Connecticut who were worried about their beliefs being oppressed by the majority religion as theirs was a minority group.
That said in Warhammer....Atheism for instance is dangerous. There are literal demons and monsters lurking in the shadows that mere knowledge of them can help summon them to your world. Where a single psyker can damn a world by summoning Chaos. Where the Gods of the warp say honeyed words in the back of people's minds promises all the riches and treasures if they only join them. Where faith and sureness of purpose is the best defense against their influence.
Likewise here in Bloodborne things are falling apart. Civilization is crumbling and all semblance of order is collapsing. And that it turns out that one of the few remaining institutions behind is responsible for all the death and destruction. That's a terrible shock, enough for many to recoil back fearful of any authority trusting only as far as their sword arm or gun can shoot. The Catholic Church in Anderson's world fights literal monsters and beasts, and for many nations is the primary if not the only force standing between mankind and being prayed on by monsters. I'm not sure how souls and religious stuff comes into play exactly(only saw some of the Hellsing ulitmate Ovas and the old tv series back in the day) but it's at minimum a self sustaining institution. Anderson's own work with orphanages highlight the Church's abilities to pass on its traditions and train its men, of their ability to empower survivors and fight for their own fate.
Purely from an institutional ground I'd support Anderson setting up a branch office of the Catholic Church. It has a hierarchical framework that can give order and semblance to the tattered remains of the world. When taught in some forms it has an uplifting, some might say transformative, message that can emphasize redempetion and good works. That it's a person's duty to help their fellow man. And there's a darn good reason Catholicism has been as successful as it has been. Both in drawing in converts and remaining a relevant force in politics to this day. Say what you will of the current pope but the man and his staff can manage an uplifting message. The Catholic Church of Anderson's world also has its own kind of awesome in my mind(Their pope's very cool).
...And honestly with how bad things are an ideology or message is badly needed in Bloodburne. There are other messages besides Catholicism (or religions generally) that might be able to manage it(I'm a fan of secular humanism) but I can't dispute that if I was with Anderson there in Bloodborne I might very well support his evangelism efforts. I'd prefer people seek their own truth. But then there still has to be a world left, a certain minimal level of subsistence and free time to manage that. Without a social instution on the ground carrying out the needs of a government it's not all clear to me that that'll be possible.
So...As an Atheist I fully support Anderson spreading word of the Catholic Church. Hopefully I managed to stay on topic.
And as Best Soviet Frog says it's in character. And I like Anderson as we portrayed him in quest. So I see in character and meta reasons to vote for it.
Hyp3rB14d3
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Personally, I am an atheist. And I am an atheist because that is what I believe. If there were strong supporting evidence toward a different religion, I would follow that belief system instead.
In Hellsing, there actually is strong evidence of Catholicism being correct. And Anderson himself has encountered a lot of it firsthand. So I see no reason to try to get Anderson to act wildly out of character to switch to an incorrect belief system.
In Hellsing, there actually is strong evidence of Catholicism being correct. And Anderson himself has encountered a lot of it firsthand. So I see no reason to try to get Anderson to act wildly out of character to switch to an incorrect belief system.
It... really doesn't.
I think your forgetting about the single most dangerous thing in bloodborne Gehrman.
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Pfft as if he could do anything where he is.
Wait, what?
When did baptizing aliens come up in Abridged?
...Wait, did the delayed Halloween episode come out?!
EDIT: Damn, no dice.
Also, what the hell was with the Nicholas Cage joke in the beginning of Episode 5?
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Mortifer
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No, Pope Francis said in real life that he'd baptize aliens. I think Sandman means that Pope Francis is a think in Abridged (From Alucard's Twitter, IIRC, celebrating his 'Victory' when the last Pope stepped down), whereas he isn't in regular Hellsing.