An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.6%
  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%
  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 378 44.5%

  • Total voters
    850
Why would the Void Dragon care about the Dark Eldar? I don't know a lot about him, what would make him interested in them? Nothing obvious comes to mind.

the void dragon is a full fledged C'tan the emperor punted on mars during the medieval era, and has been locked away in the labyrinth of mars, he aint getting out any-time soon.

also there's only three eldar gods left...Isha is currently locked away with nurgle getting experimented on (it would take Big E to get off his butt and go get her with a legion of Deamon-slayers AKA grey knights and him having A METRIC BUTT LOAD OF CRYSTALS AND OTHER BOOSTERS!!! to really harm the plague god. but with Malice eventually getting on the action thigns could go well...we just have to put it both as SL rank 10 as well as having a immense karma score to talk the emperor into doing it) as well as getting Khaine together? He is a god of murder people...War is secondary to his nature. If we manage to change him into a full-fledge war god then we MIGHT be able to get some eldar+human alliance or at least a mutal non-aggression pact going on. Heck allot of the eldar plots might end up benefiting humanity in some way in the future if we keep going at this path.

lets face it, as much as Xeno's can be our allies...they can stab us in the back at a drop of a hat...look at the age of strife and during the war of iron. humanities allies turned their backs on them when their own robots which was a huge advantage humanity had turned against us and didn't help humanity at all. frankly they took advantage of this chaos and pretty much either enslaved, murderized, turned them into meat/egg/things-I-really-don't-want-to-consider farms...

jus think about it, we may be doing a good thing but eventually their going to stab us in the back soon enough. this galaxy pretty much demands grim-darkness and I bet the Matt-Wardness bullshit or frankly some other roll might end up with a internal conflict where entire species start causing chaos in our own borders as they attack humans or other species after going nuts and having to be put down for the safety of all.

trust me...this isn't going to end pretty.

Also we should be on the watch for gene-stealers, we need to kill those fuckers and DNA scan EVERYONE, anyone contaminated needs to be quarantined for life until their genetic contamination can be cured, or they are sterilized for life.
 
Why would the Void Dragon care about the Dark Eldar? I don't know a lot about him, what would make him interested in them? Nothing obvious comes to mind.

Them being the crystals, sorry. Void Dragon is a C'tan, and they are all Order Gods, but of the more Mind Controlly variety. If he got crystals to boost him..., well, the emperor beat him last time, and the emperor will have his own crystals, but it'd be trying luck we don't need.

Dark Eldar aren't particularly high up my threat list. Plenty dangerous in the long run, but can be fought in relatively mundane manners.
 
Them being the crystals, sorry. Void Dragon is a C'tan, and they are all Order Gods, but of the more Mind Controlly variety. If he got crystals to boost him..., well, the emperor beat him last time, and the emperor will have his own crystals, but it'd be trying luck we don't need.

Dark Eldar aren't particularly high up my threat list. Plenty dangerous in the long run, but can be fought in relatively mundane manners.

this is why we neuter them with our web-way cleansing as well as setting up borders within said web-way. especially if we can find them before they can do their raids (their greatest strengths are ambush and hit and run...they really cant be defensive to save their lives, just aggressive attack and murderize)
 
this is why we neuter them with our web-way cleansing as well as setting up borders within said web-way. especially if we can find them before they can do their raids (their greatest strengths are ambush and hit and run...they really cant be defensive to save their lives, just aggressive attack and murderize)

Sure, they're cunning, but they're not exactly innovators the way we are. Fixing webway, anti-raider measures, etc. I'm not sure why they've been such a hot-button issue lately.
 
For our upcoming Primaris Marines should we start manufacturing viable melee weapons for them? Like mass produced Adamantium Blades or Psy conductive Force Weapons since many of them will be Psykers? I'm not too worried about ranged weaponry since it won't be too hard to scale them up for Primaris Marine usage. If we could teach them our ability to produce Adamantium knives out of thin air we can even make that a signature of our Legion. Or maybe we can make our Primaris Orichalcix Power Armour our signature with Mythril Power Armour reserved for our Honor Guard.
 
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For our upcoming Primaris Marines should we start manufacturing viable melee weapons for them? Like mass produced Adamantium Blades or Psy conductive Force Weapons since many of them will be Psykers? I'm not too worried about ranged weaponry since it won't be too hard to scale them up for Primaris Marine usage. If we could teach them our ability to produce Adamantium knives out of thin air we can even make that a signature of our Legion. Or maybe we can make our Primaris Orichalcix Power Armour our signature with Mythril Power Armour reserved for our Honor Guard.

sounds good to me, some decent melee weapons and throwing knives out of thin air could be amusing. Psy conductive force weapons first, we can give them to the thousand sons legion as a co-op gift. The iron warriors are considered friends to the thousand sons however so we should get on perturabo's god side when we can find him.

Adamantium blades and other material weapons would be more useful still, but the best stuff should be for our top elites and body-guards.
 
So, what's our plan if Emps tries to destroy or assimilate our Bastion? Because the more we interact with him, the more I fear he'll try to tear our creation to pieces (or else pervert it to his own ugliness) the moment he gets out of his solar system.

Please don't say "roll over and let him have it."
 
Please don't say "roll over and let him have it."

if talking to him fails the only thing we will be able to do fight him.
Good thing for us by the time we met in person we will be likely the empire with more people and res and also likely better overall tech level and if the crystal god lives he will likely loes the ability to make a lot of them.
 
Speech: Persuasion: 180+ 86970(Speech bonuses)- 10000(Set In Ways) -50000(Almost Religiously Anti-Religion)+ 25000(Pragmatism)+10000(Magnus' Recommendation)=62150. Required: 24510 for With Heavy Restrictions. 49510 for With Moderate Restrictions.

Keep in mind that the only real problem we had was with his hate for religion, Everything else... I think we may be able to persuade him to allow the Bastion to be the core and shining example of what the rest of the Galaxy will be.
 
Keep in mind that the only real problem we had was with his hate for religion, Everything else... I think we may be able to persuade him to allow the Bastion to be the core and shining example of what the rest of the Galaxy will be.

The problem is his overall mind set that he has shown and his extrem focus on human first over everything else.
Which clashes really really hard with Serras xenos are also people and have rights and not just human, so lets be nice to them so they are nice to us (at least if they are not war like *looks at orks*).

Serra is really progressiv and emps is really set in his ways and in the end i don´t see ether of them backing down.

That (can) lead to Serra being the only (?) Primach that will stand up against Emps without chaos fucking with their heads first.
 
The problem is his overall mind set that he has shown and his extrem focus on human first over everything else.
Which clashes really really hard with Serras xenos are also people and have rights and not just human, so lets be nice to them so they are nice to us (at least if they are not war like *looks at orks*).

Serra is really progressiv and emps is really set in his ways and in the end i don´t see ether of them backing down.

That (can) lead to Serra being the only (?) Primach that will stand up against Emps without chaos fucking with their heads first.
The thing is though, we did overcome the "Set in his ways Malus, we even had enough to overcome his hate, we could have even done it without Magnus, I think if we just keep doing what we are doing? Leading by example, he won't really have a choice outside of pride.

In fifteen years Serras has done more good for humanity than he has in 15 years trying to retake Death World Terra
 
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guys...your forgetting one important fact I keep pointing out.

the emperor has MILLENIUM of experience with Xenos, Humans, and other things happening....we only lived for little over a decade.

HE HAS REASONS FOR THIS!!!

Lets go over them:
1) He has been safe-guarding humanity for all his life, of course he would prioritize them over everyone else...
2) The reasons he HATES religion I keep saying is because he has seen it all pretty much
3) Eldar Empire...seriously it was so fucked up before the age of strife happened that it spawned a chaos god...
4) Humanity did make allies, but think of the reasons WHY they could make ships fire black holes other then "that's cool"...there's generally a good reason for being stronger then everyone else by carrying the big stick to smash anyone who pisses you off. (looking at both orks and other xeno's...think of how many xeno empires the grand crusade happened to meet and just how many HAD to be exterminated...were just lucky as fuck right now that we got the nice ones...I'm betting the QM is going to be crackling once he hits the real nasty empires that have sprung up)
5) He experienced the awakening of the other three warp-tumors of reality during the medieval era, while they didn't do anything truly nasty like in 40k they were still pretty fucking evil, so he's been battling them in the shadows for the SOUL of mankind for all his life.
6) Iron war...enough fucking said.
7) The reason he has the hate-boner against aliens is because they are generally assholes to humanity, again look at number 4...while ever species has its good and bad they are so culturally and generally different I'm betting my money that within a few dozen years were going to have problems with so many different alien cultures within the bastion, that shit explodes like Europe during WW1 and WW2. just lots more copious amounts of death and destruction, remember chaos infects EVERYONE...including Xeno beings. In fatc I'm betting again QM has Civil war happening in the Bastion after the orks or because slannesh gets tzeentch to cause the war during the orks waagghh. which would split our focus and that warp-spawns would definitely seek out any means to hurt us, including getting our family killed during the war.

These are the reasons why I am hesitant on keeping adding aliens to the bastion, hell I would say keep them under a heavy boot myself with watchmen to make sure they don't try anything stupid against us and have any chaos influence. (paranoid? This is 40k, being cautious will fucking save your soul from being nomed by Deamons).

there is no noble bright, only try to kill the fucking warp tumors by any means. If it means building the halo array from the halo game lore to fucking sterilize the warp and all of the galaxy as a massive FUCK YOU button then I'm all for it.

before you say it, yes I'm a bit of a pessimist. I'm also a optimist at times hoping that Serras can change the emperors mind on certain things, but the alien problem? yeah, the bastions alien population is the barest not even a fraction of a percentage of the galaxy. were not going to have friends outside the bastion and by large humanity...better gear up your adult pants and get ready for the grind that's the total war of grimdark 40k.
 
The thing is though, we did overcome the "Set in his ways Malus, we even had enough to overcome his hate, we could have even done it without Magnus, I think if we just keep doing what we are doing? Leading by example, he won't really have a choice outside of pride.

In fifteen years Serras has done more good for humanity than he has in 15 years trying to retake Death World Terra

If there is one thing that emps seems to have more then enough of is pride and arrogance.
We are also overall as said clashing hard in our views on how to do things, so yes i can see him trying to "destroy" our work after we meet him bcause him haveing "reasons" and that would just lead to bad stuff trust me tm ​.

He is in that regard really human, even if he himself might deny that.

These are the reasons why I am hesitant on keeping adding aliens to the bastion, hell I would say keep them under a heavy boot myself with watchmen to make sure they don't try anything stupid against us and have any chaos influence. (paranoid? This is 40k, being cautious will fucking save your soul from being nomed by Deamons).

there is no noble bright, only try to kill the fucking warp tumors by any means. If it means building the halo array from the halo game lore to fucking sterilize the warp and all of the galaxy as a massive FUCK YOU button then I'm all for it.

before you say it, yes I'm a bit of a pessimist. I'm also a optimist at times hoping that Serras can change the emperors mind on certain things, but the alien problem? yeah, the bastions alien population is the barest not even a fraction of a percentage of the galaxy. were not going to have friends outside the bastion and by large humanity...better gear up your adult pants and get ready for the grind that's the total war of grimdark 40k.

All the points about emps reasons are pretty much on point why he failed in the end.
The paranoia about xenos and chaos is really stupid, humans are just as likely if not more so (hello unstable pykers) to fall to them.

He is way to stuck in his mind set and his methodes and seems to be incapable of learning / adapting to a changing environment.

Also just because he lived a long time doesn´t mean he knows what he is doing or that thing work that way anymore.
I mean look at what time he has grown up and how much of that mind set/behavior we still see from him.

That doesn´t go into his trust issues.
 
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guys...your forgetting one important fact I keep pointing out.

the emperor has MILLENIUM of experience with Xenos, Humans, and other things happening....we only lived for little over a decade.

HE HAS REASONS FOR THIS!!!

Lets go over them:
1) He has been safe-guarding humanity for all his life, of course he would prioritize them over everyone else...
2) The reasons he HATES religion I keep saying is because he has seen it all pretty much
3) Eldar Empire...seriously it was so fucked up before the age of strife happened that it spawned a chaos god...
4) Humanity did make allies, but think of the reasons WHY they could make ships fire black holes other then "that's cool"...there's generally a good reason for being stronger then everyone else by carrying the big stick to smash anyone who pisses you off. (looking at both orks and other xeno's...think of how many xeno empires the grand crusade happened to meet and just how many HAD to be exterminated...were just lucky as fuck right now that we got the nice ones...I'm betting the QM is going to be crackling once he hits the real nasty empires that have sprung up)
5) He experienced the awakening of the other three warp-tumors of reality during the medieval era, while they didn't do anything truly nasty like in 40k they were still pretty fucking evil, so he's been battling them in the shadows for the SOUL of mankind for all his life.
6) Iron war...enough fucking said.
7) The reason he has the hate-boner against aliens is because they are generally assholes to humanity, again look at number 4...while ever species has its good and bad they are so culturally and generally different I'm betting my money that within a few dozen years were going to have problems with so many different alien cultures within the bastion, that shit explodes like Europe during WW1 and WW2. just lots more copious amounts of death and destruction, remember chaos infects EVERYONE...including Xeno beings. In fatc I'm betting again QM has Civil war happening in the Bastion after the orks or because slannesh gets tzeentch to cause the war during the orks waagghh. which would split our focus and that warp-spawns would definitely seek out any means to hurt us, including getting our family killed during the war.

These are the reasons why I am hesitant on keeping adding aliens to the bastion, hell I would say keep them under a heavy boot myself with watchmen to make sure they don't try anything stupid against us and have any chaos influence. (paranoid? This is 40k, being cautious will fucking save your soul from being nomed by Deamons).

there is no noble bright, only try to kill the fucking warp tumors by any means. If it means building the halo array from the halo game lore to fucking sterilize the warp and all of the galaxy as a massive FUCK YOU button then I'm all for it.

before you say it, yes I'm a bit of a pessimist. I'm also a optimist at times hoping that Serras can change the emperors mind on certain things, but the alien problem? yeah, the bastions alien population is the barest not even a fraction of a percentage of the galaxy. were not going to have friends outside the bastion and by large humanity...better gear up your adult pants and get ready for the grind that's the total war of grimdark 40k.
Except you, like the Emperor, are forgetting something important:

Survival isn't enough.

Who fucking cares if humanity survives, if we become everything we despise?

Burn the Xenos because they might cause a problem or two? Pragmatic, but utterly unjust.

Abandon the Eldar and let their civilization crumble? Pragmatic, but utterly merciless.

Attempt to end religion because it can potentially cause problems? Pragmatic, but utterly cruel.

The Bastion is trying to save humanity without forsaking its humanity. The Imperium only tries to preserve the species.

You might be okay with the latter, but me? If the choice is between dying with our nobility intact, or living without it? I will choose death every time.

It's our duty to protect the spirit of humanity as surely as its substance.
 
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Guys I really dont like where this conversation is going, fighting against The Emperor is one of the things Chaos will expliot greatly. Just because the dark gods dont have an exact foothold yet, doesn't mean they won't strike.
 
guys...your forgetting one important fact I keep pointing out.

the emperor has MILLENIUM of experience with Xenos, Humans, and other things happening....we only lived for little over a decade.

HE HAS REASONS FOR THIS!!!

Lets go over them:
1) He has been safe-guarding humanity for all his life, of course he would prioritize them over everyone else...
2) The reasons he HATES religion I keep saying is because he has seen it all pretty much
3) Eldar Empire...seriously it was so fucked up before the age of strife happened that it spawned a chaos god...
4) Humanity did make allies, but think of the reasons WHY they could make ships fire black holes other then "that's cool"...there's generally a good reason for being stronger then everyone else by carrying the big stick to smash anyone who pisses you off. (looking at both orks and other xeno's...think of how many xeno empires the grand crusade happened to meet and just how many HAD to be exterminated...were just lucky as fuck right now that we got the nice ones...I'm betting the QM is going to be crackling once he hits the real nasty empires that have sprung up)
5) He experienced the awakening of the other three warp-tumors of reality during the medieval era, while they didn't do anything truly nasty like in 40k they were still pretty fucking evil, so he's been battling them in the shadows for the SOUL of mankind for all his life.
6) Iron war...enough fucking said.
7) The reason he has the hate-boner against aliens is because they are generally assholes to humanity, again look at number 4...while ever species has its good and bad they are so culturally and generally different I'm betting my money that within a few dozen years were going to have problems with so many different alien cultures within the bastion, that shit explodes like Europe during WW1 and WW2. just lots more copious amounts of death and destruction, remember chaos infects EVERYONE...including Xeno beings. In fatc I'm betting again QM has Civil war happening in the Bastion after the orks or because slannesh gets tzeentch to cause the war during the orks waagghh. which would split our focus and that warp-spawns would definitely seek out any means to hurt us, including getting our family killed during the war.

These are the reasons why I am hesitant on keeping adding aliens to the bastion, hell I would say keep them under a heavy boot myself with watchmen to make sure they don't try anything stupid against us and have any chaos influence. (paranoid? This is 40k, being cautious will fucking save your soul from being nomed by Deamons).

there is no noble bright, only try to kill the fucking warp tumors by any means. If it means building the halo array from the halo game lore to fucking sterilize the warp and all of the galaxy as a massive FUCK YOU button then I'm all for it.

before you say it, yes I'm a bit of a pessimist. I'm also a optimist at times hoping that Serras can change the emperors mind on certain things, but the alien problem? yeah, the bastions alien population is the barest not even a fraction of a percentage of the galaxy. were not going to have friends outside the bastion and by large humanity...better gear up your adult pants and get ready for the grind that's the total war of grimdark 40k.

One thing you have to remember at the moment is that humans far outweigh all the other species combined and at least three of the non-human species floating around have fully adopted the 'human' culture, for a given value of humans having a single set homogeneous culture in the first place, which they don't, and two of those species came about because of humans in the first place and more or less worship them.

The rabbit people used to be quite literally pet rabbits and likely still have that ingrained into them in a way and the Androids are chaos resistant AI, hell there's an example of the down grading making a cogitator chaos 'immune' would imply, Androids should be more than able to out think humans but they can't, even beyond that we have done extensive work to mitigate the cultural differences anyway.

So the most likely place for a civil war to come from is actually a human sub-polity rather than any of the Xenos races.
 
Guys I really dont like where this conversation is going, fighting against The Emperor is one of the things Chaos will expliot greatly. Just because the dark gods dont have an exact foothold yet, doesn't mean they won't strike.

It is a topic we need to talk about. We have at this point enough information that it is something that is "likely" to happen.

I would at the least try to make some plan on how we go about trying to stop emps from "destorying" our nation and how we go should fight him when it comes down to it.

Yes it is not a nice topic and yes chaos will use that, but chaos will use pretty much everything it can, so not something new.

A funny thing is for all that emps says he hates chaos the only real defense that the imperium got against the four and their cults was pretty late and not even from him, but from malcador.

A nice ace would be a set of designs that use Serras Extravagance that could be created by relicators for our elite forces / ships (at least if we can do that).

All this talk about emps also makes me very curious about his combat checks.
 
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Fungus Ale(Canon)(+10 to roll of your choice)
Lab Daze: 307 Ale

Low level lab techs Maximus Mautte and Erlene Beyea were celebrating finishing their most recent project, slightly increasing the efficiency of one of the Skylance components, chugging absinthe and playing party games that were probably designed for more than two people.

"Well, obviously you chose 'idiots' for 'things that make me want to vomit' and I chose ipecac syrup," Max says, "I really don't think Things is a good party game for a party consisting of just us."

"I knooow," Erlene replies, "and I'm barely even drunk right now thanks to these dumb super soldier enhancements that make me hard to kill and work in synergy with further gene treatments to almost double my lifespan. Ruining my buzz with their damn toxin resistance!"

"Well," says Maximus, in the tone of someone just drunk enough to start having bad ideas but still lucid enough to efficiently pursue them, "We've got a ton of equipment and some samples of that barley we got from Remnant last week. We could probably make some rectified ale with that."

"Max, my most esteemed college" Erlene responds, a grin spreading across her face, "That might be the most brilliant idea formed in this lab. Let's do this."

And so they did, Max started attaching some extra parts and controls to the old, mostly broken ether condenser they hadn't gotten around to recycling for it's thin, adamantium coating, reprogramming some of its behaviors and rearranging some of the wires, not yet noticing that in his fogged state of mind, he accidentally switched where two of said wires should go.

Meanwhile, Erlene gathered up the barley that plant controller from Remnant accidentally aura awakened and reached into the top shelf for the yeast, failing to inspect the somewhat greener fungus she pulled down instead.

They dumped the ingredients in, set the condenser to maintain the process for the next six months and went home to pass out in their own beds.

Were they to turn around as they walked out the door, they might have seen a spark shoot out of the condenser which then began to ripple for almost a minute before settling down and looking normal again.

~~~Six Months Later~~~

Max and Erlene were once again on the job, working on hardening the power conduits to void projectors so they could produce stronger fields when they heard an echoing ding come from the corner of the lab.

"That was a ding," said Max in a mildly panicked voice, "That was an unexpected ding in our lab. I don't like unexpected dings!"

"Oh shut up you big baby," Erlene said, walking towards the source of the ding "I'll go check it out."

"Hey," she calls after a minute, "It's the still we set up, our ale's done."

"What?" he replies, confused, "OH! Oh yeah. We did set that up. Well, let's pour some out and see how we did."

Grabbing the nearest test tube and walking over to the repurposed condenser he opens the spout above the test tube. Some kind of glowing green liquid comes out that immediately sets the tube on fire upon contact.

"Shit!" Max said, dropping the test tube and causing the "ale" to melt through the floor a bit. As it does, the fumes are inhaled by the two startled scientists and they start to feel a little bit foggy, as though having drunk two or three normal ales.

"I think we're gonna need a stronger test tube," Erlene said.

After going through steel, quartz and tungsten test tubes they finally settled on an adamantine-ceramite alloy can they fabbed up in the replicator. After that they went through progressively more durable test equipment before finally just sticking it in a replicator to be deconstructed and analyzed.

The replicator shook for a few seconds, letting out some mildly disquieting noises until it finally displayed "CHEMICAL MAKEUP: 16.5% UNKNOWN SUBSTANCES, 15% PSYCHICALLY ACTIVE ORGANIC COMPONENTS, 15% ORCISH MATTER 153.5% ALCOHOL" before the screen went dark.

"Woah," said Max, "That's 307 proof ale. I'ma drink it."

Now, for context, you must understand that the fumes passively given off by the bubbling hyperliquid had gotten them progressively drunker throughout the tests they'd done and they were already too drunk to think of putting on facemasks pretty early on. It is because of this drunkenness that Max thought of this terrible terrible idea, and it is because he was so convinced that it was a great idea that he survived.

Immediately upon knocking back the test tube, Max was thrown backwards as he belched green fire and purple smoke shot out of his ears.

"Awesome," Maximus says with a dopy grin on his face.

*thud*
 
It is a topic we need to talk about. We have at this point enough information that it is something that is "likely" to happen.

Yes, something is likely to happen but it would be beneficial for everyone (expect chaos and other opportunists) that it is not war or a rebellion.

I would at the least try to make some plan on how we go about trying to stop emps from "destorying" our nation and how we go should fight him when it comes down to it.

Have you forgotten Ultramar? If I recall correctly, The Emperor allowed Guilliman and the Ultramarines to govern the sub sector on their own. The Bastion will be twice what Ultramar is and if we increase or SL with Emps, he'll let us do the same.
 
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