An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.5%
  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%
  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 379 44.5%

  • Total voters
    851
I don't know, being some kind of Martial Paragon on top of being a Master Psyker could push Serras into the "too good to be true" area and deemed an acceptable loss to destroy.

He didn't kill Magnus for literally having bargained with the powers of Chaos and given up his eye for it.

The Emperor does not consider Chaos to be a threat at this time.
 
He didn't kill Magnus for literally having bargained with the powers of Chaos and given up his eye for it.
In hindsight, while the fact Magnus couldn't give a decent argument on the practicality of his continued psychic studies and practices probably was a big deciding factor, that (his deal with Tzeentch) probably played a part in his decision to enact the Ban.
 
In hindsight, while the fact Magnus couldn't give a decent argument on the practicality of his continued psychic studies and practices probably was a big deciding factor, that (his deal with Tzeentch) probably played a part in his decision to enact the Ban.
Good thing we've got excellent speechifying skills :D
 
Its not by far a martial paragon for a Primarch.
Kind of on the low end even.
I'd be fine with Serras being relatively inept with close quarters, there's such a thing as being too OP even for a Primarch.

I mean Rogal Dorn, the only other person to land on a peaceful planet ended up near bottom in Primarch combat. He almost lost to Alpharius, the runt of the Primarchs.
 
I'd be fine with Serras being relatively inept with close quarters, there's such a thing as being too OP even for a Primarch.

I mean Rogal Dorn, the only other person to land on a peaceful planet ended up near bottom in Primarch combat. He almost lost to Alpharius, the runt of the Primarchs.
Well there is James bond twins, their individual stat is lesser than any normal primarch.
 
I'm damn certain he didn't know about it and his precog was blocked regarding it. There's no way the Emperor wouldn't have slapped him down instantly if he knew
I don't know. He said something telepathically apparently about how Magnus was in over his head in regards to the Warp, based on the Crimson King's words, at Nikeia.

Emps was about preventing knowledge of Chaos, and openly punishing Magnus or Lorgar for their association would have kind of been openly spreading knowledge of it.
 
what do you think Advance skill would be

it kinda hard to see what Warhammer have that count as Advance skill since everything is so butt nut insane

don't we kinda qualify for one about now ?
 
Well there is James bond twins, their individual stat is lesser than any normal primarch.
Like I said, the twins are the runts of the Primarchs and Rogal almost lost to one.

I don't know. He said something telepathically apparently about how Magnus was in over his head in regards to the Warp, based on the Crimson King's words, at Nikeia.

Emps was about preventing knowledge of Chaos, and openly punishing Magnus or Lorgar for their association would have kind of been openly spreading knowledge of it.
I'm decently certain that the Emperor was just reprimanding Magnus for breaking his trust about sorcery and misuse of powers. If he knew Magnus made a pact with a Chaos God then Magnus wouldn't posses any autonomy to fuck things up in the future
 
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I don't think we have to worry about the Emperor showing up and deciding that we need to die. After all, he gave Angron and Conrad Kurze their own Legions, right?

Furthermore, ALL of the Primarchs were exposed to the Warp, so it's not like he'd be surprised if we weren't exactly the same as he had made us to be.

Also... does anyone know if there was a WH40K novel written from the Emperor's perspective? People tend to talk about what the Emperor did or didn't know, but there is little definite proof and Big E always played his cards close to the chest.
 
I don't think we have to worry about the Emperor showing up and deciding that we need to die. After all, he gave Angron and Conrad Kurze their own Legions, right?

Furthermore, ALL of the Primarchs were exposed to the Warp, so it's not like he'd be surprised if we weren't exactly the same as he had made us to be.

Also... does anyone know if there was a WH40K novel written from the Emperor's perspective? People tend to talk about what the Emperor did or didn't know, but there is little definite proof and Big E always played his cards close to the chest.

No, and there never will be. The whole point of the Emperor is that he's supposed to be ambiguous. You're never supposed to be sure what his overall plan was.
 
Good thing we've got excellent speechifying skills :D
Issue wasn't the diplomatic side. The Emperor has a Willpower level which makes it functionally impossible to convince him by impassioned debate.

The Emperor is a Rationalist Utilitarian. Magnus could not give a logical answer of "why keep poking at the Warp" except for "But the SCIENCE!". Really, from his perspective, this shows that Magnus was compromised.

So it's more a matter of logic. You have to demonstrate that Warp-delving provides benefits worth the risk, that the risks can be contained reliably, and that there are no other way to obtain said benefits at less risk.
 
So what peaks you guys wish to take in next turn? We will get to choose two peaks in bed turn is isn't it?
 
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The top-tier Greater Daemons as well, like Kairos Fateweaver and N'Kari for example, could probably give us major trouble. Possibly the same for the really powerful Eldar psykers.
Still, our Willpower would be considered impressive for an adult primarch, let alone a child.

When it comes to Chaos, you can never have too much willpower.

Not necessarily saying we absolutely must focus on it, merely that's Chaos is always a threat there.
Something to remember, more than one of our brothers were subverted through ignorance and treachery.

I personally will not be satisfied until the emperor himself cannot get through our defenses.
*PARANOIA INTENSIFIES*

I'd be fine with Serras being relatively inept with close quarters, there's such a thing as being too OP even for a Primarch.

I mean Rogal Dorn, the only other person to land on a peaceful planet ended up near bottom in Primarch combat. He almost lost to Alpharius, the runt of the Primarchs.
Combat is a crucial part of 40K, and if there's one thing our character is unabashedly good at, it's learning things. *shrugs* Much like with regular humans some primarchs are just more capable than other primarchs, see Horus.

Fuckwit even thought that he surpassed the Emperor too. It's amazing that Magnus' ego didn't collapse into a singularity capable of consuming the whole universe.
The Emperor is at least as smart, and at least as talented, and has had eons to perfect his craft. Magnus was, and is, a spoiled child by comparison. Also note how I wrote 'at least' as if I were putting finger quotes in there, as I'm pretty sure the Emperor is just way fucking beyond him.
 
Issue wasn't the diplomatic side. The Emperor has a Willpower level which makes it functionally impossible to convince him by impassioned debate.

The Emperor is a Rationalist Utilitarian. Magnus could not give a logical answer of "why keep poking at the Warp" except for "But the SCIENCE!". Really, from his perspective, this shows that Magnus was compromised.

So it's more a matter of logic. You have to demonstrate that Warp-delving provides benefits worth the risk, that the risks can be contained reliably, and that there are no other way to obtain said benefits at less risk.
I guess we'll have to see how our actions affect things in that regard as the quest progresses.
 
I don't think we have to worry about the Emperor showing up and deciding that we need to die. After all, he gave Angron and Conrad Kurze their own Legions, right?

Furthermore, ALL of the Primarchs were exposed to the Warp, so it's not like he'd be surprised if we weren't exactly the same as he had made us to be.

Also... does anyone know if there was a WH40K novel written from the Emperor's perspective? People tend to talk about what the Emperor did or didn't know, but there is little definite proof and Big E always played his cards close to the chest.
He made those two. While Serras is some Warp Spawn conjured from the Aether. Whilst he is fighting the masters of the said Aether.

Nope and there never will be.
Closest some kind of honest dialogue we can see in last church.
Not really. The Black Library settled into this awesome explaination that everything the Emperor says and does it perceived through the filters of the viewer. Everything is contaminated by outside expectation.

Combat is a crucial part of 40K, and if there's one thing our character is unabashedly good at, it's learning things. *shrugs* Much like with regular humans some primarchs are just more capable than other primarchs, see Horus.


The Emperor is at least as smart, and at least as talented, and has had eons to perfect his craft. Magnus was, and is, a spoiled child by comparison. Also note how I wrote 'at least' as if I were putting finger quotes in there, as I'm pretty sure the Emperor is just way fucking beyond him.
Precog and mind reading combat are things we could become without becoming a better and improved Sanguinius v2 without any flaws.

Definitely. Magnus is a delusional windbag powered by ego
 
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