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An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.5%

  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%

  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 379 44.5%
  • Total voters
    851
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So, there's 7 free Invention Actions with four perks of the Invention: Necessity tree, and then another 5 with the purchase of four perks of the Practical tree.

And since we double them, it's 12*2=24 free Invention Actions.

And also three Major Actions and four Minor Actions from the level up perks.

Sweet.

Edit: This'll probably also make it easier to get more stats to get more perks.
 
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[X] Plan Void
[X] Tag Tactics: Preparation
[X] Tag Tactics: Cleverness
[X] Tag Tactics: Trickery
[X] Tag Forging: Gear
[X] All 60 points to Forging: Gear
[X]Speech: Diplomacy: 60 Perk: White-tongued.
[X]Speech: Diplomacy: 80 Perk. I Still Believe.
[X]Speech: Diplomacy: 100 Perk. Second Chance.
[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 40 Perk. Element User.
[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 60 Perk. Elemental Manipulation.
[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 80 Perk. Elemental Control.
[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 100 Perk. Elemental Mastery.
[X]Psyker: Willpower: 80 Perk. Will of Adamantium
[X]Education: Culture: 100 Perk. Cultural Analysis.
[X]Education: Culture: 160 Perk. Deep Analysis.
[X]Invention: Necessity: 140 Perk. Efficient Space
[X]Invention: Necessity: 160 Perk. Brainstorm
[X]Invention: Necessity: 180 Perk. Compact
[X]Invention: Necessity: 200 Perk. Inspiration
[X]Invention: Practical: 120 Perk. Economical
[X]Invention: Practical: 140 Perk. Mass Production
[X]Invention: Practical: 160 Perk. Eyeballing
[X]Invention: Practical: 180 Perk. Rapid Assembly
[X]Invention: Practical: 200 Perk. Practical Inventing
[X]Level 35 Perk. Timing Is Everything.
[X]Level 40 Perk. Sleep? Oh Yeah That Thing...

Working on perks still, but tactics is our next highest skill that we have good access to a trainer so it will hit 200 first with tags before the Orks arrive, also tag forging gear so we can finish that up next turn.

So all the perks for actions plus the diplo perks and the psyker perks... just would have to drop something to fit in the level 45, which as long as we get two perks for level 50 we are good and can take it then along with the 50.

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So +12 invention (becomes 24) and +7 actions too many good perks, though with 7 more actions we can really push intrigue and diplo to hit all-25 next turn :)

Dropped 4 psyker perks for 4 culture perks
 
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Like mentioned we are unlikely to be as skilled in certain areas as most other Primarchs (Russ will always be a supreme fighter, Vulkan will always be best forger, etc) but will be very versatile but even Fulgrim will beat us there in long run since he goes off to perfect every skill he comes across.

Only advantage we have compared to him is our warp powers which may be on par with Magnus at some point with even effort.

Also we are very active with population and may continue to be in general in long run which could bring massive benefits to humanity.

Very curious how Emperor reacts to us though since we are a pure Warp creation, but maybe he will be more excepting since he did have to kill off two of his sons with the lost Primarchs and excepted Alpharius Omegon despite oddity of nature.
 
Massgamer said:
Like mentioned we are unlikely to be as skilled in certain areas as most other Primarchs (Russ will always be a supreme fighter, Vulkan will always be best forger, etc) but will be very versatile but even Fulgrim will beat us there in long run since he goes off to perfect every skill he comes across.

Only advantage we have compared to him is our warp powers which may be on par with Magnus at some point with even effort.

Also we are very active with population and may continue to be in general in long run which could bring massive benefits to humanity.

Very curious how Emperor reacts to us though since we are a pure Warp creation, but maybe he will be more excepting since he did have to kill off two of his sons with the lost Primarchs and excepted Alpharius Omegon despite oddity of nature.
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So it all balances out in the end!
 
I so so so so want the practical invention perks... and the cultural perks, and the reading people perks.. and the genius ones.. also those level perks are good.
 
ok how about this? focus on prepping for speech checks next turn while getting murphy, perception helps speech
[X] Plan tri2

[X] All 60 points to Forging: Gear
[X] Tag Tactics: Preparation
[X] Tag Tactics: Trickery
[X] Tag Tactics: Cleverness
[X] Tag Forging: Gear
[X]Speech: Diplomacy: 60 Perk: White-tongued.
[X]Speech: Diplomacy: 80 Perk. I Still Believe.
[X]Speech: Diplomacy: 100 Perk. Second Chance.
[X]Perception: People: 60 Perk. You're Good... But Not That Good.
[X]Perception: People: 80 Perk. Your Next Line Is...
[X]Perception: People: 100 Perk. Psuedo-Sherlock Scan.
[X]Education: Culture: 20 Perk. Basic Etiquette.
[X]Education: Culture: 80 Perk. Cultural Significance.
[X]Education: Culture: 100 Perk. Cultural Analysis.
[X]Education: Culture: 160 Perk. Deep Analysis.
[x]Education: Esoteric: 200 Perk. Bridge the Gap.
[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 40 Perk. Element User.
[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 60 Perk. Elemental Manipulation.
[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 80 Perk. Elemental Control.
[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 100 Perk. Elemental Mastery.
[X]Psyker: Willpower: 80 Perk. Will of Adamantium.
[X]Psyker: Willpower: 100 Perk. Unbreakable Will.
[X]Psyker: All: 100 Perk. Murphy's Enforcer.
[X]Level 35 Perk. Timing Is Everything.
[X]Level 40 Perk. Sleep? Oh Yeah That Thing...
[X]Level 45 Perk (Karma). Judge.
 
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Cytokinesis said:
[] 3 perks: level 35/40/45, assuming they are still really amazing choices each time.
[] 5 perks: 120+ Cultural chain. This is mandatory if we want an empire. Given we're about to start an empire next turn, we need this. This lets us integrate multiple territories, gives us more actions to integrate territories, and massively speeds up all our integrations.
[] 7 perks: psyker perks up to Murphy's enforcer. It opens up 100+ perks for Psykers, which we're really going to want.
[] 3 perks: Karma speech chain. Again, 1500+ to speech checks, which we will need in negotiating empires and whatnot.
[] 1 perk: Education Esoteric 200. Beta level psykers, massive force multipliers that pretty much no one else can replicate.

From there, we now have 2 perks to spend. We have a ton of meh options currently available, but there's likely to be some gems opening up. We just got a ridiculous number of skill ups and will get some more before the turn ends. I'd expect innovation/forging to give us more action economy choices, but we'll have to see.

The big question is if we can see the 120+ psyker chains. They are all very likely to give us expanded range of options and may make us choose very differently. @ilbgar123 , will you let us see these in the next perk stuff?
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Remember what he said. This is good and smart.
 
Thinking we might want to go with the psyker perks since we pretty much almost have all of them, getting them would unlock more and finally they let us add to a lot of checks as well. They would also let us buy from the more advanced skills.
 
Fuck genius just got more expensive. We should probably start putting some of the perks into that tree so we can get really really smart.
 
Shouldn't we invest a perk or two into social/perception? IIRC, the last SL with our father stated that we're still not good at hiding our emotions and diplomacy will be coming up soon.
 
[X] Plan tri2
-[X] All 60 points to Forging: Gear
-[X] Tag Tactics: Preparation
-[X] Tag Tactics: Trickery
-[X] Tag Tactics: Cleverness
-[X] Tag Forging: Gear
-[X]Speech: Diplomacy: 60 Perk: White-tongued.
-[X]Speech: Diplomacy: 80 Perk. I Still Believe.
-[X]Speech: Diplomacy: 100 Perk. Second Chance.
-[X]Perception: People: 60 Perk. You're Good... But Not That Good.
-[X]Perception: People: 80 Perk. Your Next Line Is...
-[X]Perception: People: 100 Perk. Psuedo-Sherlock Scan.
-[X]Education: Culture: 20 Perk. Basic Etiquette.
-[X]Education: Culture: 80 Perk. Cultural Significance.
-[X]Education: Culture: 100 Perk. Cultural Analysis.
-[X]Education: Culture: 160 Perk. Deep Analysis.
-[x]Education: Esoteric: 200 Perk. Bridge the Gap.
-[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 40 Perk. Element User.
-[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 60 Perk. Elemental Manipulation.
-[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 80 Perk. Elemental Control.
-[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 100 Perk. Elemental Mastery.
-[X]Psyker: Willpower: 80 Perk. Will of Adamantium.
-[X]Psyker: Willpower: 100 Perk. Unbreakable Will.
-[X]Psyker: All: 100 Perk. Murphy's Enforcer.
-[X]Level 35 Perk. Timing Is Everything.
-[X]Level 40 Perk. Sleep? Oh Yeah That Thing...
-[X]Level 45 Perk (Karma). Judge.


Ok, this looks good.
 
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tri2 said:
not right now. kinda hitting limit of things useful to invent for the coming war

edit: actually do we need culture integration right now? wouldn't that come AFTER the waaggghh?
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Power armor, new space fighters, teleporters, hell just creating new weapons for our champions or the PDF, vehicles, we could spend all those invention actions improving what we have.
 
tri2 said:
ok how about this? focus on prepping for speech checks next turn while getting murphy, perception helps speech
[X] Plan tri2
-[X] All 60 points to Forging: Gear
-[X] Tag Tactics: Preparation
-[X] Tag Tactics: Trickery
-[X] Tag Tactics: Cleverness
-[X] Tag Forging: Gear
-[X]Speech: Diplomacy: 60 Perk: White-tongued.
-[X]Speech: Diplomacy: 80 Perk. I Still Believe.
-[X]Speech: Diplomacy: 100 Perk. Second Chance.
-[X]Perception: People: 60 Perk. You're Good... But Not That Good.
-[X]Perception: People: 80 Perk. Your Next Line Is...
-[X]Perception: People: 100 Perk. Psuedo-Sherlock Scan.
-[X]Education: Culture: 20 Perk. Basic Etiquette.
-[X]Education: Culture: 80 Perk. Cultural Significance.
-[X]Education: Culture: 100 Perk. Cultural Analysis.
-[X]Education: Culture: 160 Perk. Deep Analysis.
-[x]Education: Esoteric: 200 Perk. Bridge the Gap.
-[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 40 Perk. Element User.
-[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 60 Perk. Elemental Manipulation.
-[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 80 Perk. Elemental Control.
-[X]Psyker: Manipulation: 100 Perk. Elemental Mastery.
-[X]Psyker: Willpower: 80 Perk. Will of Adamantium.
-[X]Psyker: Willpower: 100 Perk. Unbreakable Will.
-[X]Psyker: All: 100 Perk. Murphy's Enforcer.
-[X]Level 35 Perk. Timing Is Everything.
-[X]Level 40 Perk. Sleep? Oh Yeah That Thing...
-[X]Level 45 Perk (Karma). Judge.
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here is the latest one ^
Derek58 said:
[X] Plan tri2
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Tri2, get rid of the - in when your plan is -[].

The forum tallying software is being used, are that clutters the vote.
 
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