Was that worse then the beast. The emperor had to actually fight the beast atleast onve.
An Extra Primarch
- Thread starter ilbgar123
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- Titan
The Emperor was already stuck on the Golden Throne by the Beast's time. The Emperor had to personally kill Blackfang.
Ok that dude. But thats my point high level orks are way out of space marines leagues. Better armour for them wont help much.
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- Titan
If I could decide on the matter unanimously, I would simply blow up all the planets and move on. For the sake of entertainment, thats not happening. So, the Astartes need armor.
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- ' New Eden
I'd like to think it would reduce our casualties. Anyway, we have to head off the Warboss anyway and we have to do it fast. And the Weirdboys leader and their Big Mek if possible. Otherwise we can never allow Ullanor to happen at all. Or anything remotely like it.
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- Germany
Wait... is it 3127105 or 31271? A lot of values need to be cut by two orders of magnitude, does this apply to RC as well?
As to the ongoing discussion, the best course of action really depends on whether we can distribute 15k points or 3 million points. Wasting the latter on any single project that isn't a force multiplier (like public Education, our personal workshop, ...) would be absurd.
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- ' New Eden
I wouldn't call Astartes Armor research into the high ends *absurd* against the Krork, I'd call it a good investment if we combine it with weapons and maybe Astartes vehicles.
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- Germany
@Xela63: That was the result of 6460 points into our personal wargear. Armor that can "turn even a pitiful fighter into death walking".
Let's just take the (650+450)*4.5 = 4950 combat modifier that you get without Luxury and Self.
Now scale that up from 6460 points to 3 million. You'll either get diminishing returns (which makes is absurd to waste those points on it) or legendary armor that means each of our daughters could take on Angron alone (which would just be plain absurd).
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- ' New Eden
I mean, ok. We could do that, but we are talking about K_Orks here. I'd rather not take any chances with that regardless of what happens here. Because as is stated, the K_Ork are individually as strong as an Astartes, so I want to pour our main supply of points into Armor and Weapons and Vehicles for Astartes. Then we could do Artillery and Vehicles for the regulars, because I want to be over the K_Ork in as little time as possible.
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- Titan
Their Nobs can barely match baseline Astartes and get outmached by Primaris. The boys still get mulched in melee but this is a Mek WAAAGH so they have gear.
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- ' New Eden
Uhhhm, we are talking about K-Orks here, Serras herself stated that each basic one is a match for Astartes. It IS dangerous.
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- Titan
I think it was mentioned in turn 15 that Mobs of Boys were a noticeable danger but Astartes can still easily one versus one them. The problem here is not the danger of the basic infantry. Its the numbers and equiment.
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- ' New Eden
@Mister Phantom
They are on par with Astartes physique, which is as good as matching them. Since we will be outnumbered massively. Add in them being a Mek Waaaagh and they will have equipment to match or exceed that. I don't want to take chances.
@ilbgar123 In regard to the RC, was it divided by 10 or 100 as well, because that really effects how much is left and how we use it?
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- Estonia
I'd say we go for the Astartes armor. At the end of the day, high-tech artillery isn't going to hold any planets without the infantry holding the line. And there's no trivial solution K-Orks: they're a bioweapon designed to overwhelm Necron-level tech, which we're not going to reach right now. Killing them is going to be a mess no matter what, and I'd rather invest into Astartes armor that's mostly going to be scrap for building shoddy Ork Tech than into artillery that'll eventually get overrun and captured by the Orks as whole units.
EDIT: Does anyone know if Order crystals do anything to suppress the Waagh field?
EDIT: Does anyone know if Order crystals do anything to suppress the Waagh field?
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So we should let the normals get slaughtered. Because they will get slaughtered without artillery atleast evening the number a little bit. And marines wont hold a planet. Not without the regulars.
Now if we go all in on thay surgical strike on the warlord and the mech that might work. Or we could lose the whole legion and then our army gets slaughter.
I would rather have reliable Army
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- Northern Ireland, UK
My thoughts;
Can't really think of anything else.
This is all on the basis that the RC value is correct.
- 3,110,733.4 remaining.
- Reserve 1,500,000 for integration actions. 1,610,733.4 to Spend.
- Spend 500,000 on Astartes-Class/Grade Power Armour and Weapons. Even Split. QMs choice of flavour/description.
- Spend 66705 to finish current Tiers for Drives (Subspace, Plasma, Warp & Alcubierre) [1044028.4]
- Bring Combat Simulators [41,204.4], Combat Simulations [39,251.1], Arcologies [41,777.8], Power Armor [21,748.2] & Skylance Satellites [22,631] to the '50K' mark each.
- Spend 20,190 to finish GM Dampening.
- Spend 19,622 to finish Psychic Batteries.
- Spend 27,671.4 to finish Mental Shielding.
- Spend 50K on each of the following; Light Tank, Main Battle Tank, Super-Heavy Tank, Reconnaissance Vehicle, Armoured Personnel Carrier (APC), Infantry Mobility Vehicle (IMV), Air-Defence Vehicle, Self-propelled Artillery, Recon Aircraft, Transport Aircraft, Bomber Aircraft & Fighter Aircraft. (600K) [209932.5]
Can't really think of anything else.
This is all on the basis that the RC value is correct.
44367/64557 for Gravity Manipulation Dampening Mark I. [20,190]
8235.6/9440 for Combat Simulators Mark 1. [1,204.4]
9938.9/14190 for Combat Simulations IX. [4,251.1]
26971.8/48720 for Power Armor Mark VI. [21,748.2]
7627.2/9405 for Mark VI Arcologies. [1,777.8]
57519.6/79640 for Dust Refinement Mark V. [22,120.4]
57539.6/79640 for Lyrium Refinement Mark V. [22.100.4]
57843.6/79770 for Psyker Workshop Mark IV. [21,926.4]
26584/49215 for Skylance Satellites Mark XVII. [22,631]
60355/79977 for Psychic Batteries Mark XI. [19,622]
10436.2/89415 for Grade Twelve-tier Crystals. [78,978.8]*9
101968.6/129640 for Mental Shielding Mark I. [27,671.4]
53969.4/64195 for Subspace Drive Mark XVI. [10,225.6]
52890.4/64555 for Plasma Drive Mark XII. [11,664.6]
41539.1/64555 for Warp Drive Mark XII. [23,015.9]
42396.1/64195 for Alcubierre Drive Mark XVIII. [21,798.9]
26546.7/39425 for Webway Escort: Alcubierre Design Mark XVI. [12,878.3]
8235.6/9440 for Combat Simulators Mark 1. [1,204.4]
9938.9/14190 for Combat Simulations IX. [4,251.1]
26971.8/48720 for Power Armor Mark VI. [21,748.2]
7627.2/9405 for Mark VI Arcologies. [1,777.8]
57519.6/79640 for Dust Refinement Mark V. [22,120.4]
57539.6/79640 for Lyrium Refinement Mark V. [22.100.4]
57843.6/79770 for Psyker Workshop Mark IV. [21,926.4]
26584/49215 for Skylance Satellites Mark XVII. [22,631]
60355/79977 for Psychic Batteries Mark XI. [19,622]
10436.2/89415 for Grade Twelve-tier Crystals. [78,978.8]*9
101968.6/129640 for Mental Shielding Mark I. [27,671.4]
53969.4/64195 for Subspace Drive Mark XVI. [10,225.6]
52890.4/64555 for Plasma Drive Mark XII. [11,664.6]
41539.1/64555 for Warp Drive Mark XII. [23,015.9]
42396.1/64195 for Alcubierre Drive Mark XVIII. [21,798.9]
26546.7/39425 for Webway Escort: Alcubierre Design Mark XVI. [12,878.3]
Seriously. So little for all of vehicles. I would rather dump it half and half it astrates armour and vehicles. Like most of those things that are our weakpoints. Like our drive are good enough and mental shielding isnt probably needed against the orks.
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- ' New Eden
Uhhhm, why save the 1,5 mil for Integration? I thought this was the Research Enterprise Boni?
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- Northern Ireland, UK
.... I am suddenly wondering if this stuff can be spent on Integration actions.
If it can't, I would double everything I was talking about then.
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- Germany
Because ilbgar123 himself mentioned that we could invest RC into e.g. our "improve mundane & psyker education" action, which is a considerable force multiplier.
Please don't add a list of new inventions that ilbgar has to write about. Turn 16 is already taking months, let's not add more to his plate.
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- ' New Eden
We could research about policies and integration stuff, which would give us more integrations to work with, so sure.
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- ' New Eden
Did you just read what I said. I said that you can't spend research points on integration actions, only on research that benefits integration.
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- Germany
Check the order of our posts before accusing me of not having read yours. At the time I wrote, you had merely stated
Your new post came after mine.
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- ' New Eden
You didn't answer my question, I asked about integration and you only said that we could invest into "education and psyker studies". That is so far off the subject of the question, that it isn't even funny anymore. Also, you directly quoted me and reacted to me. Because I asked if we even could spend them on integration actions, because I thought it was the RI bonus, which it was. Then you said something about being able to spen them on "education and psyker studies", as was mentioned by Ilbgar. But that didn't cover my question at all, because I only pointed out that you couldn't spend the research pikts directly on the actions, you have to do the research.