Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 18: Ravaging Rapscallions Rapidly Regret Regular Rampages

Eh. Being able to no-sell entire categories of threats is pretty boring. That is why they are getting rid of the charms that do that in the new edition. Besides, Tinker weapons should at least be able to challenge us.
Welcome to being an Alchemical.

We are, right out of the gate, flat-out immune to every single disease on Earth-Bet because nothing here has a spiritual component.

We cannot suffocate, we cannot drown. We have absolutely no need for air except to converse.
We can't even starve to death, although if we don't eat we'll start healing like a mortal or stop healing altogether if if goes on long enough.

This is blatantly an inhaled poison effect that apparently doesn't inflict damage but has a huge penalty and causes other deleterious effects such as vomiting. You need to breathe it in through your nose in order to suffer the effects, and as an Alchemical we don't do that unless we make the conscious choice to do so.
 
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We do so routinely because senses are useful. Stopping for the moment might be a good idea though! We'll also smell it when we breath through our mouth because of diffusion so alternate modes of speech generation are in order.

This is blatantly an inhaled poison effect that apparently doesn't inflict damage but has a huge penalty and causes other deleterious effects such as vomiting. You need to breathe it in through your nose in order to suffer the effects, and as an Alchemical we don't do that unless we make the conscious choice to do so.
As far as EoA and FPoP are concerned yes. For humans the fine distinctions matter.
 
[I don't expect this to be canon compliant, since I have no idea what either one of these characters are doing right now during the update. But the idea would go away, so here it is!]

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Sabbah would be lying if she said she wasn't scared.

She had never wanted any of... this. The fighting for her life against an Endbringer, joining a some what well-known villain gang to escape the city, becoming an actual hero for another city she knew nothing about...

"Mind if ya lift that end a little higher Miss?"

"Of course." She answered curtly, theatrically moving her fingers. Her spider-silk Octopus used three of it's tentacles to raise the debris a couple feet higher into the air. The PRT Officer nodded and thanked her before signalling for a few of his comrades to follow him through the gap she made.

Once they were threw Sabbah made sure to place the debris back into it's original position, rebuilding the makeshift barrier. A twinge on her ankle then another two in short order, and Sabbah reacted, having another of her creations - an elephant this time - make an opening for the incoming wounded.

With her system in place, the PRT Officers and Guild Relief Operatives were able to communicate who and what they bringing in or out using her strings layered upon layer of the exterior of the shelters. They had even developed a system for threats.

She hoped they wouldn't have to use them.

Sabbah wouldn't say she was happy with her life before this - the experience that lead to it certainly didn't help in that regard - but she had definitely been content. There had been feeling of finality with her business, her "mission" of blurring the lines between stereotypes while also become a well-known performer. She had kept herself away from the gangs, the heroes, and the independents with great care, refusing to do something as foolish as waste her gift on fighting.

The Wonderful Parian, she mused to herself as her Octopus helped carry a few heavier supplies to a nearby tent, the most successful rogue of Brockton Bay.

Much like her home and her family, that life was destroyed by cruel act of fate. A bitter feeling within her that had not yet healed. Maybe it never would.

Now here she was, a bona-fide hero fighting against more monsters to defend the innocent from undo harm. She hated it. She hated it more than she might have hated anything in her life. To be forced into something she had desperately avoided at all costs? Memories of school and a certain "nice guy" came to her mind, but unlike then, she had no one she could direct the blame to for this turn of events.

Life had given her a crappy hand and there was no other way to play. That was also a lie though.

I could leave. Throw away the costume and just blend in with everyone else.

But she wouldn't. Not for the Undersiders - a large part of her still saw them as the criminals they had been - as kind and caring as they had been for her. There was too large a distance between her and them and she thought the feeling was mutual. Certainly not because she felt a duty towards heroics, though she wasn't so cold as to not help when she was able to.

It was Amelia. Panacea. Wyld.

Hers, her one and only, the little healer that had fixed more than a few bruises and cuts on her body. She would never abandon her soon to be lover, couldn't fathom the act of leaving her behind to face the monsters that caused Sabbah to shake. Could she convince her dear to leave with her, to live somewhere else in peace?

No. Amelia was too ingrained as a hero and as the leader of the group to just up and leave, even if it wasn't an S-Class event. She had told Sabbah once in confidence, when they both comforted each other in the dark, that she would never disappoint her step-sister's memory and that she'd make it up to her family one day.

That was one of the few times Amelia had ever brought up Glory Girl or New Wave other than when she religiously followed the News Articles that Dragon gave her. Sabbah felt a pang of sadness then. Victoria had sounded like a wonderful sister and it was a shame she would never get the chance to know her. She still held out hope for meeting the other New Wave family members, wherever they might be.

That wasn't the only anchor however. Lisa was pivotal to Amelia's emotional recovery and the two were now nigh-inseparable. As grateful as Sabah was for all her help, she couldn't help the feelings of envy that would sometimes rise whenever she saw how close they were to each other. Foolish really. Lisa herself had explained her... problem.

"Unless I meet someone who's as smarmy as I am," She smirked as Sabbah chuckled, "Relationships aren't my forte. Now get in there and snuggle with her like your life depends on it!"

Still, it was another chain trapping her here, in the same city as the goddamn Slaughterhouse Nine. If she ever saw the blood-thirsty smile of the Siberian that close again, it would be too soon.

No. Not chains. Threads, metaphorical threads, like her power that kept her here with Amelia. What was the name of that Japanese myth she had heard? The Blue-Thread of Fate?

A few heroes entered her peripheral, most of whom she did not recognize. One them noticed her staring and turned to the others. They spoke for a moment before the one that saw her broke off from the group, the others continuing on their way.

This one she did recognize.

Gallant had initially been thought as a Tinker in the Brockton Bay Wards and with his trademark "Sci-Fi Camelot" Armor, very few would question it. Lisa had explained prior to their debut in Philly the powers of Wards and how Gallant was unlikely to be a real Tinker. Apparently his armor was too similar to Armsmasters for it to be mere coincidence.

Sabbah didn't understand much of the blonde's reasoning, but she did understand that the kid could apparently "shoot" emotion blasts. However that worked.

She raised the debris just as Gallant got within earshot and stopped at a respectable distance. His previous group continued through the opening she had made, not even sparing them a passing glance. She closed it and slowly spread the Octopus tentacles around her.

"Can I help you?" She was proud to say that her voice did not betray the nervousness that she felt. This would the first time she actually talked to someone else from the Bay, besides the rest of her team.

"I-" Gallant paused, looking unsure in his power armor, "Yes. I'm Gallant of the Wards... but you probably already knew that huh?"

"Yes," she nodded, "Skein. Of the Wyld Hunt."

"Heh, fitting name. Doesn't flow as well Parian though. I-"

Sabbah felt her heart skip a beat at the mention of her previous name, her hands curl into fists, and her Octopus move slightly. Gallant stepped back like he had been slapped, taking a small step back. Sabbah blinked before forcibly calming herself and relaxing her powers hold on her constructs.

"Oh, hey, I'm so sorry. I didn't realize that-"

"No," she interrupted him with a soft sigh, "No, it wasn't your fault. I'm guessing the cats out of the bag for everyone?"

Gallant shrugged, the movement seeming strange in such regal armor, "Basically. It... didn't take a genius to connect you guys from... well, you know."

Sabbah slumped tiredly against her Octopus, "Yeah. I definitely know."

"Would it help if I said most of my teammates don't really care?"

"...Really?"

"It's been a long few months. Grudges don't really stick with us anyways. Though Kidwin is still pissed at Reg- I mean, uh, Master?"

"Maestro"

"Maestro, for trying to steal his hover-board." He chuckled, "Never miss with Tinkers and their toys."

Sabbah giggled as she thought back to the time when Amelia lectured Rachel for trying to eat her latest creation, "I think I understand what you mean."

Gallant scratched the back of his helmet, suddenlylooking much more uncomfortable than before. Sabbah was content to let him think over what he was going to say, occasionally reacting whenever someone pulled her strings. The Ward had been nothing but kind and apologetic, it was the least she could do.

"I'm sorry." He suddenly said, his voice seeming... rougher, "You're probably busy helping everyone out and I should be with everyone helping wounded but I just... you're here and it's screwed up I know but..."

It clicked then. Sabbah had never been a "Cape Geek" as the public called them, but she did occasionally enjoy certain media events or news that featured them. Gallant had even been the point of focus for a few of them, being the teen heart-throb he was. Such as the few pages they had on Gallant's relationships.

"Oh", she replied, "Oh, you and Glory Girl-"

Gallant flinched, badly. He looked like a puppy that had been kicked all it's life. Sabbah's heart went out to the Ward.

Neither of them said anything for some time, the sounds of construction and sirens in the air filling the null. Was this also a thread? Her meeting the boyfriend of her partner's sister? She realized she had never heard Amelia mention him before. Even when she talked about her family she never once mentioned Victoria's sweet-heart.

Why?

Sabbah didn't know and that troubled her more than she thought was possible. Looking at him now, was there something she was missing? A piece of news she had forgotten or something Lisa had said before? She didn't think so. She made sure to know as much as she could about Amelia's life in the hopes of connecting with her more. This was something new.

"Do..." she shifted uncomfortably, "Do you want to see her?"

Gallant looked at his boots, his hand clenching and then unclenching, before sighing, "I do. I really do but... I don't think I should. Not like this when everything's so fucked up." He looked up at her, his helmeted gaze meeting her own, "Is she happy at least?"

She held her hand in her own, her head leaning against her shoulder. There was a faint smile across her face, one that Sabbah wished would stay forever. Even asleep, she was beautiful in her own way. "It's going to be okay Amelia," Sabbah whispered in her ear, "I'm with you."

Sabbah nodded to him, "Yeah. I think she is."

Gallant relaxed at that, though his gaze lingered on her for a time. Eventually he spoke, "Thank you. It's what Vicky would have wanted."

The Ward said no more as he turned, already walking away. Sabbah bit her lip, "I'll tell her you asked about her! Tell her that you still care!"

He paused for a moment, a statue almost. Then it was over and he was walking away again. Sabbah watched his armored form grow smaller in the distance. A twitch of her power brought forth a string from her hidden compartment, coiling itself around her wrist, then hand, then finally her gloved finger.

She had been wrong before. It was not blue, but the Red String of Fate that connected certain people in the world. Red, like the color of the string that twirled at her control.

She concentrated and more lengths of red thread piled out, twirling and coiling into each other, weaving until a figure stood tall and proud in her hands. The red clothe seemed to be a much needed contrast to the grey and dull day that the ash had created from the bombs.

Red, like the armor of a Knight without his princess.

She held the Knight in a hug, before gently placing it in one of her pouches. Amelia and her had much to talk about.​
 
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Welcome to being an Alchemical.

We are, right out of the gate, flat-out immune to every single disease on Earth-Bet because nothing here has a spiritual component.

We cannot suffocate, we cannot drown. We have absolutely no need for air except to converse.
We can't even starve to death, although if we don't eat we'll start healing like a mortal or stop healing altogether if if goes on long enough.

This is blatantly an inhaled poison effect that apparently doesn't inflict damage but has a huge penalty and causes other deleterious effects such as vomiting. You need to breathe it in through your nose in order to suffer the effects, and as an Alchemical we don't do that unless we make the conscious choice to do so.

Weren't we still using IAT, which requires air?
 
As far as EoA and FPoP are concerned yes. For humans the fine distinctions matter.
Since we've been talking exclusively about what is affecting Taylor, an Alchemical, and why...I'm not sure why you'd even bring up mortals.

We do so routinely because senses are useful. Stopping for the moment might be a good idea though! We'll also smell it when we breath through our mouth because of diffusion so alternate modes of speech generation are in order.
The point being that breathing is NOT the natural state for Alchemicals. It is not an automatic bodily function for them, it is a choice.

Taylor activated a bunch of charms, noticed everyone puking their guts out and then she got a whiff of whatever it is. This is dumb because it's the equivalent of Taylor going, "Gee I wonder why all those people are throwing up, here, let me take a nice deep sniff and find out" despite her knowing for a fact that she's in the same city as Bonesaw and thus her first reaction to people around her being violently ill ought to be, "welp, looks like I'm not going to choose to breathe any time soon and let me just put on my helmet for good measure."
 
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Taylor activated a bunch of charms, noticed everyone puking their guts out and then she got a whiff of whatever it is. This is dumb because it's the equivalent of Taylor going, "Gee I wonder why all those people are throwing up, here, let me take a nice deep sniff and find out" despite her knowing for a fact that she's in the same city as Bonesaw and thus her first reaction to people around her being violently ill ought to be, "welp, looks like I'm not going to choose to breathe any time soon and let me just put on my helmet for good measure."
We didn't extrude our armor at all, which also seems very uncharacteristic given that we were awoken by an explosion.
 
We aren't a standard Alchemical though, we don't have previous lives or experience as an alchemical.

I imagine most of our instincts are still pretty human which includes breathing and smelling especially after just waking up. I'd bet this is a flaw most of our assembly will have.

You don't even need to say we inhaled though given that we are being transmitted sensory information from bugs with nearly human senses.
 
We aren't a standard Alchemical though, we don't have previous lives or experience as an alchemical.

I imagine most of our instincts are still pretty human which includes breathing and smelling especially after just waking up. I'd bet this is a flaw most of our assembly will have.

You don't even need to say we inhaled though given that we are being transmitted sensory information from bugs with nearly human senses.
My best guess is that we're getting overwhelmed by the sensory feedback of all the bugs in our control which are affected. The alternative is that it's an aerosol-based contact poison, which is something we're not immune to. This is pretty obviously an attack so the intent to harm is there meaning we can't rely on ISF. Poisons are annoying in that even if you make the Stam+Resist save all you do is mitigate the effects - damage gets moved down a step, and the penalty is cut in half for that interval. So if this poison had a penalty of Incap, we'd be dealing with a -2 internal penalty (since -2 is in the middle of -0, -1, -2, -4, Incap).
Well, I already postulated that it might be enhanced sensory-bug feedback and, given that the alternative is shoving the idiot ball in Taylor's hands by having her fall victim to a respiratory-based poison...yeah. Let's go with the bugs.
 
Bugs doesn't make any sense. At all.

Otherwise, she'd be down right catatonic when hundreds of her bugs die violent deaths.

So, yeah, waiting for next update for explanation.
 
Well, I already postulated that it might be enhanced sensory-bug feedback and, given that the alternative is shoving the idiot ball in Taylor's hands by having her fall victim to a respiratory-based poison...yeah. Let's go with the bugs.
Taylor may be a magical robot now but she was human and taking a deep breath is one of the first things humans do when they are surprised. I don't see how natural instincts that every human has equal carrying the idiot ball.
 
Taylor may be a magical robot now but she was human and taking a deep breath is one of the first things humans do when they are surprised. I don't see how natural instincts that every human has equal carrying the idiot ball.
I think it's because Alchemicals aren't supposed to be affected by airborne toxins.
 
Bugs doesn't make any sense. At all.

Otherwise, she'd be down right catatonic when hundreds of her bugs die violent deaths.

So, yeah, waiting for next update for explanation.
Yes. I wonder what that says that I still consider it to be more plausible than an Alchemical falling victim to a respiratory-based poison effect.

Taylor may be a magical robot now but she was human and taking a deep breath is one of the first things humans do when they are surprised. I don't see how natural instincts that every human has equal carrying the idiot ball.
By that logic "regular" Alchemicals in general, and Alchemicals with high Eidolon backgrounds in particular, ought to even more susceptible to mortal foibles because they have several lifetimes worth of human habits and insticts.

Note that this doesn't actually happen.

Thioacetone isn't a toxin.
IRL? I have no idea.

Modeling it using the Exalted system?
It's a poison effect. It has a vector (airborne, requires inhalation), it has a Penalty and an exotic side effect.
 
By that logic "regular" Alchemicals in general, and Alchemicals with high Eidolon backgrounds in particular, ought to even more susceptible to mortal foibles because they have several lifetimes worth of human habits and insticts.

Note that this doesn't actually happen.
I have no clue what you are trying to say here. I am sorry.
 
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I have no clue what you are trying to say here. I am sorry.
Whereas Taylor only has less than 18 years of habit-inducing human experience, normal alchemicals have several (and by several I mean a looooooooot) lifetimes worth of human experience behind them. Those with the Eidolon background even moreso, since they recall some, many, or all of their past lives vividly.

They don't experience what you describe, ergo you are wrong.
 
Quick question, not sure on feasibility as my Exalted-fu is weak, we need mass amounts of souls as part of the whole conversion to motonic physics in order to keep people on Bet alive. Can souls be extracted from soulsteel?
 
I think you left me waaaay behind you on that particular path of logic.
Breathing is not an automatic response for Alchemicals, not even for those with vivid memories of being human.

what surprises me the most is that Taylor didn't immediately extrude her armour, seeing as it was an EXPLOSION that woke her up and we know for a fact that Bakuda and Bonesaw are in town
 
I think you left me waaaay behind you on that particular path of logic.
He's saying that these guys with several lifetimes worth of memories and instincts of doing things like "taking deep breaths when surprised" don't, and therefore Taylor, who only has like 15~ years (less because early childhood) worth of memories and instinct of doing such shouldn't.
 
Guys, it seems like the xp thingies have just been posted. Wyld is now a possible ally! YES! That will definitely help in dealing with Lisa. Also, it looks like Amelia's growing of our leg and the dex augments have been taken in perfectly fine by Taylor's body, which is good and she no longer has any penalties, which is great!

It seems like the smell based attack is ringing true, judging by the mental status.
 
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