Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 18: Ravaging Rapscallions Rapidly Regret Regular Rampages
- Thread starter Gromweld
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Hate is too strong.
Hostile to is more appropriate, and I put my reasoning several posts above.
In canon, Lisa has always reacted badly to being cornered, remember?
Even when she is at fault.
Is she beyond recruitment? No.
But the effort required to do so is likely not something we can spare on our three month deadline.
At the least though, we're going to have to come to some sort of accomodation, if for no other reason than preventing her from sabotaging Taylor/Aisha with Grue, since he is the legal guardian of one of our Exalt candidates.
Because that was being sensible.
You do not build a new biological lifeform without knowing how to put it down, and we cannot guarantee that we won't lose any mid-combat.
Von-Neumanning Tinker projects get you a kill order, remember?
And fertile insects breed like crazy.
As for next vote? No.
We have S9 to kill, and Wards/Protectorate capes to save.
Lisa's issues are not as time critical.
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And neither was talking to Danny. Now he's a supervillain with a bodycount who works for Cauldron.
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Couldron are rational people if we can get them somewhat on board with our goals then they could greatly aid us and our glorious maker!
Very different situation.
Danny was botched due to active enemy action and the unforseen effects of meditation.
You are asking that we prioritize soothing Lisa in the middle of an S-class situation with multiple allies at risk.
At a time when we're rocking Clarity to boot, and will thus be doing social interaction at a penalty.
That's just terrible planning.
Besides.
Our Jade candidate is currently being used as a tourbus by a bunch of murderhobos.
Our teleporters as backpacks.
If it comes to a choice between them and Lisa, I choose them.
Wrong. Clarity 2 has no penalties.
Ridtom
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Rational? Yes. Well-Informed? Depends on who they talk to.
Anyways @Gromweld, the Amy and Taylor discussion was pretty hilarious. Taylor trying to give her a pep-talk but not being able to stop herself from complaning at Amy's... hobby was just too funny. Skein was lucky that she has an excuse
Hmm, Gas-Bomb? Are Alchemicals affected by Poisonous Gas? Or was it just so bad a slaughter that Taylor lost her lunch?
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What we represent offers the best way to deal with Scion from what I can see which is their main goal. Convincing them of that is going to be a challenge I'll grant you that and preferable we'll do the talking instead of Lisa.
I think that we could simply work with her more often. Try telling her about Siberian being a projection, give her info on Siberian sightings, and see if she can work out a maximum projection distance and/or likely location of the Master.
FunkyEntropy
Occasionally insightful, possibly grumpy
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I laughed. Poor Aisha.
Yep. Big concern isn't going to be selecting the right candidates, it's diplomatically dealing with all the pissed-off people we didn't select.
Huzzah! Progress!
Aisha gets it.
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Taylor Hebert, professional killjoy.
Either her shard is figuring shit out or she got her hands on our classified file. In any case, more incentive to deal with this sooner rather than later.
My takeaway from this is that we can't just dedicate an action working with Lisa, we're going to have to be explicit about pulling her aside to sort this shit out.
Ridtom
Good. Bad. I'm the man with the Wand.
If we even have to deal with Scion.
Still pining for ScionxAutocthon!
*checks*
My apologies, I was remembering Marrow's.
Still, we ARE going to gain more Clarity as this day goes on; it's unavoidable, between atrocities and SoPA.
So I'm disinclined to prioritize social warfare under those circumstances.
I don't believe they are; at least, not by Earth Bet gas.
There are Autochtonian gases that might have an effect, if Compass:Autochtonia is correct.
I do think we are grinding Integrity hard, though.
Resistance too; probably ending up with a Pain specialty.
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That is one way of dealing with him we don't have kill him just make him not a threat to humanity or our goals.
FunkyEntropy
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Alchemicals don't need to breathe and are explicitly immune to poisons that need to be inhaled in order to work.
My best guess is that we're getting overwhelmed by the sensory feedback of all the bugs in our control which are affected. The alternative is that it's an aerosol-based contact poison, which is something we're not immune to. This is pretty obviously an attack so the intent to harm is there meaning we can't rely on ISF. Poisons are annoying in that even if you make the Stam+Resist save all you do is mitigate the effects - damage gets moved down a step, and the penalty is cut in half for that interval. So if this poison had a penalty of Incap, we'd be dealing with a -2 internal penalty (since -2 is in the middle of -0, -1, -2, -4, Incap).
wingnut2292
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Happy anniversary, thread!
Yeah, we're going to need to pull Tt aside and sort out our afairs. Idealy before Clarity!Taylor does, and makes things worse by mistake.
Yeah, we're going to need to pull Tt aside and sort out our afairs. Idealy before Clarity!Taylor does, and makes things worse by mistake.
Okay.
I found a reference:
Implication being that Alchemicals are vulnerable to contact poisons of the right type, assuming no ISF.
Also some nifty gas submodules.
Doubt it.
The Behemoth fight saw nothing of the sort when we had swarms dying like crazy, and SoPA doesn't seem to have a processing limit.
I'd buy it if we were still under IAT.
But we're in Alchemical form; no chemistry for it to interact with.
And power-based gases would probably count as Shaping.
Unless the suggestion is that Bakuda/Bonesaw cooked up something with the leg fragment Siberian brought back, I'm not seeing where this is from.
Aisha will kill Jack Slash.
You'll see.
And then all of you that laughed will be sorry when Queen Aisha gets the keys to the city.
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Ridtom
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Aisha - Kills Bezale while making Terminator and Wargame references
Taylor - Kills Jack Slash while explaining how Autocthon has run fresh out of mercy
Alexandria - Kills Manton while explaining in detail the hundreds of ways she'll break his body.
Dean - Sends Bonesaw into catatonia due to influx of emotions (very unlikely, but very karmic)
Hmmm, what would be fitting deaths for other S9?
FunkyEntropy
Occasionally insightful, possibly grumpy
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Don't forget that some of our bugs got upgraded with much fancier, human-like senses. I'll admit that it's implausible, but I think it fits the data we've got best for the moment.
Contact and injected poisons affect Alchemicals just fine even when they're not under IAT, so I don't see how this'd be the case.
Oh! I think I see the problem. Integrity Protecting Prana does not no-sell all Shaping. It just stops Shaping from directly altering your traits, or in ways that are essentially too-cute-by-half attempts to directly alter your traits by instead altering your immediate environment. IPP no-sells Behemoth when he goes, "your internal organs are now made of FIRE." IPP also no-sells him when he goes, "Huh. That didn't work. Well, let's see how you like it when everything around you is made of fire instead!" IPP does nothing if he tries to just set us on fire by throwing a fireball at us, because that's something we can avoid by other means (dodging/parrying) much like IPP doesn't protect you against the Wyld forming a giant three-headed duck that then tries to eat you.
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GiftOfLove
From the Heart
Yes, Lisa thinks we're a crazy robot cultist sacrificing people to our dark god. So that we can bring him here. To change everyone?
Let's just ignore that! There's no way that will bite us in the ass later!
I'm genuinely worried that Lisa will attempt to 'accidentally' off Taylor to save the world from death by machine-god. We know that Lisa will always attempt to run away rather than talk to Taylor, so this kind of situation where she's forced to be in close proximity is likely our only chance to start making in-roads here.
I'm kind of fine with that, just be prepared for her to be an enemy later if we blow her off.
Let's just ignore that! There's no way that will bite us in the ass later!
I'm genuinely worried that Lisa will attempt to 'accidentally' off Taylor to save the world from death by machine-god. We know that Lisa will always attempt to run away rather than talk to Taylor, so this kind of situation where she's forced to be in close proximity is likely our only chance to start making in-roads here.
I'm kind of fine with that, just be prepared for her to be an enemy later if we blow her off.
That seems unlikely. Grom wouldn't make us new bugs only to immediately kill them in a painful way. That would pretty much be the dickiest dick move of a dick GM who needs to eat a box of dicks, and Grom's not like that. (Aside from including the S9 at all, which can mostly be blamed on Wildbow).
Ridtom
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That be worthy of 2 boxes of dicks actually. But don't blame wildbow for the S9. It's like blaming DC for creatkng the Joker.
But it could be pure shock at what she'sseeing though.
Eh.
Didn't get overloaded by the robot insects we were carting around earlier either.
I really doubt this.
Do they?
I mean, I looked at the book, and the toxins mentioned are pretty blatantly Essence shit.
Even the way they work(Spirit Toxin Formula, for hitting dematerialized spirits) is pretty blatantly non-physical.
This?
In the mechanistic Earth-Bet universe where we're talking chemical inhibition of enzymatic processes as the basis for most poison effects?
Not seeing it.
Chemical processes don't exist for us; that's why we can ignore things like breathing when in Alchemical form.
Besides, didn't we discuss this back when we decided not to raise Resistance as unnecessary?
Understood.
But if this is a power-enabled gas, it would work by directly altering our traits, making it Shaping.
Right?
Simply put: Bigger fish to fry at the moment.
Diplomancy? Not in the middle of an S-class event.
Doubt it; Taylor'd likely just pop Clarity like she did when Benjy-kun started blowing up Endbringer shelters.
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