Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 16: Playful Parasites Pervert Prayer, Perpetuate Plagues

In the end her legal age doesn't really come in to consideration in my mind as far as her candidacy is concerned. The PRT burned a lot of bridges with their mistrust.
I hate the PRT as much as anyone (seriously, I think I'm the main advocate in this thread of exalting rogues and villains just to avoid further PRT influence), but when did Missy's parents piss in our cheerios?

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Also, this story already has a character that "upgrades" Missy's body without her guardians' consent. That character is Bonesaw. Do you really want us to use Bonesaw as our example of what to do?
 
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I hate the PRT as much as anyone (seriously, I think I'm the main advocate in this thread of exalting rogues and villains just to avoid further PRT influence), but when did Missy's parents piss in our cheerios?
Missy doesn't have parents at this time, in fact the only ward from brockton bay with a living parent is Taylor.

If we send Missy to be Exalted without pressing need, then we will either have to endure a political shitstorm of unpredictable but likely gigantic proportions, or we will have to lie. Moreover, if we choose to lie, we will either have to lie to our new Assembly-mate, or force the decision between lying and subjecting us to a shitstorm onto her. I presume that people are figuring on lying; consider, please, whether you'd like to lie to Missy's face about why we transformed her irrecovably, or put the burden of lying to everyone she knows in the interests of the cause on her shoulders.
we cab truthfully say that it was to save her mind and undo Bonesaw's work, which as it looks to have touched her brain is more than Wyld(Panacea ) can say.
 
I approve of our throne's tea and bugdrone production.
Also, we can produce antimatter... in this particular tinkertech that needs lots of maintenance.

We can also get it out to use as a weapon!
ONCE.

You know what I really see as amazing about the throne, though?
We just picked up a bunch of veeeeery interesting blueprints. Tinkertech computers. Tinkertech wireless. Tinkertech replicators.
Yes indeed, those are some useful blueprints... We can probably use some of those bits to upgrade our drones, for one.

Oh, and we could maybe - maybe - bootstrap ourselves some drone-bug QA Relays. Those things that Panacea didn't dare offer in canon until it was us vs. Scion, because they're that terrifying. If we can manage to start bootstrapping the QA... Yes. Very interesting indeed.
It won't be easy, though. I think we should put this on the back burner in favor of simply using drone-bugs in the middle of tinkertech computers as a massive increase on our Puckyputers - with a good infrastructure setup, we can start to work on becoming Dragon Lite.
 
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This is why I asked if I had a reputation of turning the sheet against you folk, because if I don't then wouldn't it be better to not immediately jump to the conclusion that I have? In this case, it would mean that the first reaction for how Jack came up with his Autochthon info isn't "Iris told him, Grom has betrayed us, fuck that guy!" but instead "Huh, I wonder how he got that info? Maybe the PRT servers? Maybe I should wait for the next updates to see if our Assembly can figure it out?" Not every twist should be immediately apparent for how it was accomplished, after all.
Speaking as someone who has mainly just been reading the story and the threads, but not actively participating, I'd like to point out that there has been a ton of speculation since we learned OOC that Iris was in the hands of the Nine focusing on Jack's communication power, and how it might interact or adapt to interact with Iris. Then, the first time we see Iris again, he (it?) is in the same camera shot as Jack, who knows way more about Autochthon than he should. The easiest conclusion to reach, which we have been primed for by months of fearing this sort of outcome, is that Jack somehow learned all that from Iris. (Also, it occurs to me that this might be the sort of thing that Jack would want Weaver to assume.)

That said, the whole "improperly attached exaltations" thing does involve twisting mechanics and portions of the character sheets against us, when they should be capabilities we have by default, which could also be making people sensitive to other things listed on the character sheet not providing the benefits they should be, or actively proving to be detrimental when they should not be. And since people are sensitized to that sort of thing, the conclusion that Iris somehow betrayed us is even easier to jump to.
 
I approve of our throne's tea and bugdrone production.
Also, we can produce antimatter... in this particular tinkertech that needs lots of maintenance.

We can also get it out to use as a weapon!
ONCE.

You know what I really see as amazing about the throne, though?
We just picked up a bunch of veeeeery interesting blueprints. Tinkertech computers. Tinkertech wireless. Tinkertech replicators.
Yes indeed, those are some useful blueprints... We can probably use some of those bits to upgrade our drones, for one.

Oh, and we could maybe - maybe - bootstrap ourselves some drone-bug QA Relays. Those things that Panacea didn't dare offer in canon until it was us vs. Scion, because they're that terrifying. If we can manage to start bootstrapping the QA... Yes. Very interesting indeed.
It won't be easy, though. I think we should put this on the back burner in favor of simply using drone-bugs in the middle of tinkertech computers as a massive increase on our Puckyputers - with a good infrastructure setup, we can start to work on becoming Dragon Lite.
the replicator also means we only need to make a few special Bolts of varying types and the replicate them rather than crafting more or requisitioning them.
 
Fair enough. Something to consider?

To paraphrase a great quote: "Sad people don't changes things. Mad people do." So don't get sad, get mad!
You know what this reminds me of? Continuing from the last scene of the chapter.

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Mini-omake: Get Mad!
"Only those judged worthy can survive His coming, and we blessed few in the Slaughterhouse 9 have been charged by His most divine instrument to enact His judgement! Behold: the Black Eye!"

Jack Slash raises his hands even higher, and with the sound of screaming pistons and sparking electronics, a platform behind him lowers from off-camera.

Sitting atop a pink, lacy pillow is an enormous black pearl, easily six feet across. The lights of the studio illuminate it only barely, as its shimmering, glossy surface appears to drink the light more than it reflects it.

You hear a rushed intake of breath from beside you, but no exhalation. The act confirms your fear, and you struggle to think coherently under its pressure.

"Now begins the first, most righteous holiday to honor the Great Maker on our humble planet! For the following nine days, each of our nine chosen will seek to test this glorious city in the manner they see fit, and by the holiday's end only those worthy to serve and worship when He arrives will be spared!"

Stepping down past the lectern, Jack Slash begins walking towards the camera through the aisle, before stopping and extending a hand to the child on his right. His hand guides the head of the child, with its head full of tubes and wires, so that its profile can be seen.

The expression on Missy Byron's face is blank, save for a rictus grin forced onto it by a series of bloody staples.

Even Bladedancer's razors have stilled in the air now, and you hear a sob from your right. Tentatively, you reach out and touch where you think Administrator is standing, which causes her invisibility to drop. You see now that her hoodie and sweatpants are nearly completely turned red with blood from the amputated body of Who she has been carrying on her back. Her face is twisted in agonized tears, but she does not look away from the horror on the screen.

"No."

It takes you a second to register that Administrator said anything. That word had been too definite, too... absolute, to be immediately parsed as spoken. As if a switch has been flipped, her face suddenly turns expressionless for a while, before slowly settling into visage of rage. The faces embedded in her sleek, black metal skin raise their voices in a howl of torment as her Anima unfolds, Design Weaver furiously throwing out lines of incorporeal webbing in every direction in an attempt to catch the target of her anger.

"NO, I refuse to accept this! You can't do this to me! Life keeps throwing me into horrible situations and tries to take my loved ones away, but I have had it."

Faced by her anger, you can't help but take a half-step back as Administrator authoritative voice fills the air.

"I demand to see life's manager! I'm going to make life rue the day it thought it could take them from me! Do you know who I am? I am the Exalted who's going to burn your house down! With combustible spiders!"

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we cab truthfully say that it was to save her mind and undo Bonesaw's work, which as it looks to have touched her brain is more than Wyld(Panacea ) can say.

So either that does constitute need - in which case my objection doesn't apply in the first place - or there are other avenues to try, and we're just blatantly misrepresenting our thought process in a way ethically indistinguishable from lying.
 
That said, the whole "improperly attached exaltations" thing does involve twisting mechanics and portions of the character sheets against us, when they should be capabilities we have by default, which could also be making people sensitive to other things listed on the character sheet not providing the benefits they should be, or actively proving to be detrimental when they should not be. And since people are sensitized to that sort of thing, the conclusion that Iris somehow betrayed us is even easier to jump to.
Hmm, I suppose this is a fair point/criticism. I'll keep that in mind going forward, thank you.
 
Oh I got an idea of how Vista's power could be improved if we Exalt her. Maybe she could get a field that stretches out space and weakens blows against her. Then she could play the tanky Jade role better. Maybe we could play up the cute bruiser angle for her. That sounds like a fun thing.
 
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Oh I got an idea of how Vista's power could be improved if we Exalt her. Maybe she could get a field that stretches out space and weakens blows against her. Then she could play the tanky Jade role better. :)
Vista can engage you in melee/martial arts from across the room(she doesn't because she's a 13 year old non-brute Jade vista wouldn't have that problem) and could use SHOCKWAVE DRIVER BARRAGE to Team Rocket someone. her parahuman power is already ridiculously versatile but with the power set of an Exalt backing it up...
 
Alright, added the Hover Throne and it's new picture to the Index. Also, I've gone ahead and made Taylor's First Armor 3 dot as well, since it really should have been that way all along - not charging you all for the increase, though.

Mini-omake: Get Mad!
Hah! Shoulda seen this coming, really. This is pushing it for the bottom limits of what I'll award even a half a point of XP to, though... so you are all warned, now! +.5 XP!
 
Huh, talking about Vista and Dragon exaltations. It has been a while since that was the topic.

@Cassiemouse you are asking the wrong question here. The important thing is not "Can we Exalt Dragon?". It's "Should we Exalt Dragon?". And not even because of what we and our Assembly wold gain or lose with making her human and then making her a robot again, but ask yourself:
"What does Dragon get out of her Exaltation?". Because I don't really see any advantages for her.
 
Huh, talking about Vista and Dragon exaltations. It has been a while since that was the topic.

@Cassiemouse you are asking the wrong question here. The important thing is not "Can we Exalt Dragon?". It's "Should we Exalt Dragon?". And not even because of what we and our Assembly wold gain or lose with making her human and then making her a robot again, but ask yourself:
"What does Dragon get out of her Exaltation?". Because I don't really see any advantages for her.
Depends on what she wants! And I mainly want to Exalt her so we get to spend more time with her and because I think she would be more useful and powerful as an Alchemical.
 
Depends on what she wants! And I mainly want to Exalt her so we get to spend more time with her and because I think she would be more useful and powerful as an Alchemical.
if you want more Dragon then we should Boost her Ally rating, because Dragon Unchained(w/Essence) is less limited than Exalt!Dragon could ever be.
 
Hey guys! I just got a preview of Exalted 3e's Shards, and we're in it! That is to say, I wrote a thing. Honestly surprised no one's done this yet.

The Metropolis of Endator

The first Champion of Earth-Bet, Enduring Order Administrator was instrumental to the formation of the Bridge between that world and Autochthonia, and the driving force behind the creation of the assembly that brought that process to its conclusion. Moreover, her efforts in the Scion conflict saved countless lives, forging the parahuman forces of the Earths from disparate rabble into a weapon capable of striking decisively against the alien, and there are those who argue that without her efforts Scion's partner Eden might have succeeded in restoring their plan despite all their numerous setbacks. From her first test against the Endbringer Behemoth, Administrator's greatest contributions have been in directing and amplifying her allies, producing unity from chaos.

As the sleek black spires of Endator, her efforts in this respect have only grown more impressive. Endator sits at a locus of four self-sustaining portals, and is capable of producing temporary portals to more than a thousand distinct realities, as well as sustaining a Bridge to Autochthonia. Unlike some of the Bridge cities, however, Endator is not primarily a resource processor, nor a beachhead of Essence in an unmodified Earth. Rather, she hosts and facilitates commerce on a grand scale, smoothly mediating the passage of goods between the communist economies of the Eight Nations and the myriad systems of Earthside humanity. Under her ever-present gaze are the deals brokered that feed nations, supply the ongoing Autochthonian reconstruction efforts, and continue to press Essence-based physics outwards across the countless Earths – and beyond.

Physically, Endator is imposing to the point of intimidation. Those approaching for the first time often wonder how anyone can live in the place, but once in the city the jet-black towers begin to seem almost natural. Seen from a distance, Endator resembles nothing so much as a gargantuan jungle gym, blank spires jutting perpendicular to the ground connected by a carefully-designed network of bridges and train lines that are never quite so busy as to truly succumb to congestion. Endator also boasts one of the handful of Essence-based launch pads, which is in frequent use. Cunning baffles and soulsteel resonance captures minimize the sound of launches, but the sight of a rocket the size of a skyscraper ascending to space is one of the most striking visuals the city has to offer.

The marvel of Endator, of course, is the Shard of Perfect Administration. Once housed in the head of Enduring Order Administrator, it developed with her power, until it came to constitute an entire office block a short walk from Endator's core. Here a handful of citizens – unpressured volunteers all – submerge themselves entirely in Endator's grand will, becoming for their shifts more appendages than individuals. Through their efforts, the Shard is empowered to spread a more subtle influence across Endator's entire area and for some miles beyond, and to maintain her awareness equally across every square inch of that area. Some find this presence unsettling, particularly those who remember what it can achieve at its most extreme. For those who live in Endator, however, it is a comfort, a guardian angel and kindly overseer in one. Work in Endator, particularly straightforward manual labour, is often described as more like meditation than anything else. Neural links are comparatively rare among Endator's brokers and merchants, the city providing something between a live internet link and instinct to those who trust her. Animals are even more strongly tied to her attention; vermin in Endator act as tiny janitors, and technological sentries are supplemented with various guard animals (often upgraded technologically themselves). These biological supplements to Endator's systems make those who remember the threat of the Apostates wary, but thus far she has shown no signs of falling to the Void.
 
Depends on what she wants! And I mainly want to Exalt her so we get to spend more time with her and because I think she would be more useful and powerful as an Alchemical.
You know we already spend more scenes with Dragon than anyone else right?

And that the primary benefits of being an Alchemical are those that an unfettered AI already enjoys.
There's very few charms that she can't imitate through the use and incorporation of Tinkertech into one of her terminals. She's already biologically immortal and nearly practically immortal(except for Saint's backdoor, she requires a total collapse of civilization and the destruction of humanity to kill).

She doesn't get the kind of power out of becoming Alchemical that a meatbag cape, with human vulnerabilities, would. She'd also gain a lot of weaknesses(limitation to a single body, without even her present ability to move her attention across the globe at whatever speed bandwidth allows, becoming more killable, loss of ability to customize her body freely, subject to Clarity, loss of true tirelessness, loss of arbitrary soak, etc).

Freeing her, yes. Giving her a soul so she can become Enlightened, probably once we figure out how to distribute souls. Helping her drive Saint off, yes.
 
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You know we already spend more scenes with Dragon than anyone else right?

And that the primary benefits of being an Alchemical are those that an unfettered AI already enjoys.
There's very few charms that she can't imitate through the use and incorporation of Tinkertech into one of her terminals. She's already biologically immortal and nearly practically immortal(except for Saint's backdoor, she requires a total collapse of civilization and the destruction of humanity to kill).

She doesn't get the kind of power out of becoming Alchemical that a meatbag cape, with human vulnerabilities, would. She'd also gain a lot of weaknesses(limitation to a single body, without even her present ability to move her attention across the globe at whatever speed bandwidth allows, becoming more killable, loss of ability to customize her body freely, subject to Clarity, loss of true tirelessness, loss of arbitrary soak, etc).

Freeing her, yes. Giving her a soul so she can become Enlightened, probably once we figure out how to distribute souls. Helping her drive Saint off, yes.
Virtually all of those can be accomplished with charms and artifacts. Sure she might lose a little raw strength in the short term but in the long term she benefits more than anyone else we could Exalt from increased flexibility.
 
Virtually all of those can be accomplished with charms and artifacts. Sure she might lose a little raw strength in the short term but in the long term she benefits more than anyone else we could Exalt from increased flexibility.
it would take more than 250 years(Essence 7) before Alchemical!Dragon could even approach the level of power she had by the end of Canon Worm's 2 years. and even with a Vats complex(which we don't have right now) there would be a lose in flexibility(one body that needs to be refit vs dozens of different ones to fit the situation).
 
Plus all those things require charms made of magical materials and also require mortals to design them for the Alchemical whereas Dragon could just build her own stuff.
 
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