Cassiemouse
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I guess you guys don't want to do it so I will leave it alone. Though I trust that if we did do it Gromweld would make it awesome. 
Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 16: Playful Parasites Pervert Prayer, Perpetuate Plagues
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Can't. Some of those things just plain aren't available to Exalted until E6+ custom charms, if at all.
Dragon, as she is now, has more than 800xp worth of charms and mutations in just the abilities she get from "is an artificial intelligence", discounting any tinkertech she has studied and built in a tiny fraction of the time it takes to construct one artifact. She doesn't even benefit from Exalted training times, for the most part she could update her targeting algorithm to get Firearms 5, or download an information library to get any knowledge skill she wants, with the ability to have actually complete knowledge of a field in mind rather than the more fallible memory of even an Exalt.
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Honestly, depending on their relationship, exalting Armsmaster would probably be the best thing we could do for Dragon. Then they could be together for centuries.
Assuming they do get together. I will admit that the idea of Taylor/Dragon is also somewhat amusing to me for various reasons.
Which reminds me. Just how well does Taylor understand Ai/Dragon now?
Assuming they do get together. I will admit that the idea of Taylor/Dragon is also somewhat amusing to me for various reasons.
Which reminds me. Just how well does Taylor understand Ai/Dragon now?
Cassiemouse
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I guess one of my problems is that nothing should be outclassing Exalts. That is somewhat annoying to me.
Citation please.
I spent much of the weekend going through existing Charms and artifacts.
None of them allow for telepresence, long range multi-tasking, or non-physical immortality.
Certainly not at Essence 3.
You have to go into Exalted:Modern to find a Charm that allows for basic abilities like Internet uplink; it doesn't exist in classic Exalted.
A little?
Dragon currently has abilities that are unmatched in Autocthonia short of Essence 9 patropolis or high Essence spirits.
Alchemizing her is a pretty major downgrade in abilities and gives her nothing she doesn't already have access to.
Should we enlighten her if/when we get the chance?
Sure; of the abilities that Auto-kun's coming brings, Essence manipulation is the most valuable to her.
And getting Saint off her case is pretty obvious step.
But there is no reason to stick her in an Alchemical chassis; one size does not fit all.
Liking the new ride.
It does mean we need to start putting dots in Ride, but that's nothing especially new.
I was composing a proper reply vis a vis Marrow/Bladedancer, but it's evolving into a proper wall of text.
Will need pruning, so gimme a day or so.
Cassiemouse
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I guess one of the problems is that we have a defined system for Alchemicals but Dragon's AI abilities are more nebulous. In system terms she shouldn't be significantly more powerful than our characters and perhaps we could codify some of her advantages in her shard charm if she converts. Gromweld could easily give her a shard charm for full on technopathy and such.
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WHy shouldn't she?
She's a shackled seed AI with an interface to a planet sized chunk of pseudobiological supercomputer/alien space whale.
In a world where tinkertech breaks the laws of physics as we know them to boot.
This is like saying that Glaistig Uaine shouldn't be significantly more powerful than our characters.
Or that Panacea shouldn't be a better healer.
Low-Essence Alchemicals are not the most powerful thing on Earth Bet; they're not even the most powerful on Autochtonia.
Alkys are versatile as fuck, and powerful, but top of the heap they are not.
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It always starts with a lighthouse.
I'll admit that I wasn't here for the beginning of the quest, but I personally think the whole misaligned Exaltation thing was a really good idea: it preserved the flow of the story and kept the players from running amok and "fixing" everything with liberal application of Charms. Also, and I really can't stress this enough, it made the story much more accessible to someone like me who had never heard of Alchemicals and to whom Exalted was just another White Wolf game that I kept vaguely confusing with Scion.
Awesome. I'd had some vague, possibly omake-worthy ideas of what Taylor might be like as a Matropolis and this blew them out of the water.
Re: Exalting Vista: On one hand, I'm all for it. I think she's clearly worthy, would make a really good addition to our Assembly power-wise, and she's the most awesome little sister ever. But for all those reasons I think we cannot Exalt her without explicit permission and desire from her, or a situation in which she will, without question, die if we don't. Doing something to her without her knowing exactly what she is in for is morally questionable at best, and doing it without her consent is worse, even if it turns out that she's ecstatic afterwards.
That said, if she's for it? The legal and PR problems are surmountable, I think.
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Cassiemouse
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Now see, this is getting into how Gromweld wants to run the quest. Narratively he could keep her on an even level with our characters even if she was unshackled. I mean we don't want her to just be an 'I win' button even unshackled because that would make the story boring unless it is near the climax.
It's a crossover. And Alchemicals are not Solaroids. And even in Creation, which is a bronze age setting where exalts are the rightful lords, new exalts are outclassed by powerful examples of their "lessers" including, in some areas, machines.
The circle of people Taylor already knows is a tiny pool to draw from and most of the gems are not available in the short term. Missy would agree but she's a fatalistic child soldier who crudely sewed up her own wounds rather than admit she was hurt. No doubt she'd make a better Jade than most 13 year olds but there're good reasons we don't let 13 year olds consent, sign contracts or vote (none of which she'd be able to do as a robot either.) Yes, I know we don't let 15 year olds do those things either but that's a point against just going with Taylor's opinion on her as a candidate. As for Taylor's own suitability for the role, that was the Makers call not ours and two years is a huge difference in young teens.
How about Phir Se? We could meet him at an Endbringer fight in India or he may pursue a villain to America. As a cold cape vigilante he's got the anti-authority Starmetal thing down.
How about Numbers? It's not impossible that Cauldron could make him available.
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Exalts are from an RPG, that means they are meant to be balanced and their power limited. An unshackled seed AI can do things unavailable to Exalts. If she didn't have a limit to her multi-tasking she could pilot hundreds of Dragons Teeth at the same time. You won't find an Exalted Charm that gives you hundreds of bodies that can all act and attack simultaneously. (I know Elder Alchemicals can launch drone bodies but I think those are very limited in numbers while unshackled Dragon could make an almost unlimited number of Drones)
Cassiemouse
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And we are the chosen champions of the primordial deity of technology. I fail to see your point.
I've forgotten whether or not Vista's parents were lost with Brockton Bay. At that point Exalting her would turn into a bit of a tussel with the Youth Guard, but I'd gladly take that just to watch EOA and the Design Weaver stare down their representative.
Anyway, I'm fairly sure we can all agree to wait until she's recovered from the S9 before making the decision. If medical experts that aren't us see her and say she won't recover, legalities be damned, I'm voting for the Cradle.
Anyway, I'm fairly sure we can all agree to wait until she's recovered from the S9 before making the decision. If medical experts that aren't us see her and say she won't recover, legalities be damned, I'm voting for the Cradle.
Yep, Missy's parents died in the Behemoth attack.
As long as she can communicate at all, I'm pretty sure we'd ask.
The Exaltation decision happens on a meta-level, as we've seen with Marrow's case. Our primary candidates will come up with a reason to agree, if it's possible without going OOC. Our losing candidates will turn us down, for their own reasons.
The Exaltation decision happens on a meta-level, as we've seen with Marrow's case. Our primary candidates will come up with a reason to agree, if it's possible without going OOC. Our losing candidates will turn us down, for their own reasons.
No.
An unshackled Dragon is a Glaistig Uaine level threat.
Even now she could trivially gank most of the Protectorate.
There is literally no way to Alchemize Dragon without severely nerfing her; there's a reason why Gromweld didn't allow her as an Alchemical candidate.
Very much this.
We're picking people who we can trust to stay on message with saving Autochton.
Who are willing to listen to EOA's guidance.
Who will work well with the other members of the Assembly, which is why Accord is out.
All the people you bring up have their own agendas, and/or are people we've never even heard of IC.
EOA has not had the time or opportunity to vet them, and she is on a nebulous deadline.
We do not want an Excessively Righteous Blossom; we cannot afford it.
The Doylist reason, of course, is that Alchemicals are viewpoint characters, and I'd rather read about Missy/Aisha/Dennis/Dean than about Number Man.
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Yes, Dinah's still alive, and in Boston with Triumph IIRC.
Scify
It always starts with a lighthouse.
Yes. She and Triumph went to Boston after Clarity!Taylor revealed that Dinah was a Thinker.
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We are the LOW-ESSENCE champions of Autochton; we almost got killed by tinkertech sniper bullets back in BB.And we are the chosen champions of the primordial deity of technology. I fail to see your point.
He is not infallible, nor is he the pinnacle of power even back in Creation; neither are we.
If there is a theme to Exalted, it's that arrogance gets you killed.
The Primordials were zergrushed by the Exalted.
The Solars were extirpated by the Dragonbloods at the height of THEIR power.
The Yozis cracked their prison and came back, and in their moment of triumph, the Abyssals destroyed Creation AND the Wyld.
Besides, going "We are Autochthon's Chosen" would have more impact if he wasn't trapped and dying.
We were midway through our -2 health levels IIRC. We were seriously injured yes, but not near death.
Firstly, "An evil person did something like this once" is not a good argument, it's literally argumentum ad Hitlerum.
Secondly, there's a big difference between what Bonesaw did (which even she probably doesn't think are actually upgrades) and Exalting Vista.
Thirdly, why don't you think she can consent? We don't actually know what state she's in, it's quite likely we can rig up some way to communicate without having to (or being able to) fix her entirely, at which point asking her to be our next candidate is simple.
Finally, why do we care what Vista's guardians think about this? Grom said that Vista's adoption would take several months, so her "guardians" are currently the State of Pennsylvania and I don't see why they should get much say in this.
Her current injuries are probably the best chance to surmount the issues we're going to get for a while, but it's possible we disagree about how severe they are.
Injured by choice at that. Lacking a Parry option(neither charms nor the Melee/MA to make stunt parry giable), we had to block it with our face or Missy gets it. Our face was kinda metal.
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And we are the chosen champions of the primordial deity of technology. I fail to see your point.
Simple, everything we could do including emulating everything Dragon does now with specially designed charms and augmentations cost motes, both to install AND to use them, and our mote pools are not infinite whereas Dragon unchained could just mote tap us with unending hordes of Dragon suits and Pendragon ships for almost no cost except time and materials.
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