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Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 16: Playful Parasites Pervert Prayer, Perpetuate Plagues

uju32 said:
I will point out that we never did need her to teach us Craft(Genesis).
What I(and others) were worried about is killswitches.
Much easier to deal with if we keep Amelia alive, but still something to worry about.
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FunkyEntropy said:
Minor observation - with Amy having developed Guyver armor and other wonderful crimes against nature, this means that we no longer need Bonesaw to teach us Craft (Genesis) and can thus safely shove her in the fridge with no worries whatsoever.
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There is no reason to worry about killswitches because that would be a worry, of which we have none.
 
query said:
So are all the Sidereal, Infernal, Abyssal and Solar Exaltation's just hanging around in Oblivion?
What happens to the Wyld does Oblivion consume it as well?
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Infernal and Abyssal Exaltations are just Solar Exaltations that have been re-purposed. Seeing as Oblivion has swallowed Creation, the mechanisms at work for making a Solar Exaltation into an Infernal, or Abyssal are now no more, so there is only 300 Solar Exaltaions, 100 Sidereal Exaltations, and 300 Lunar Exaltations hanging about.

I mentioned to Grom way back when, that they are probably sitting there, waiting, like sharks, just pointed at the pinhole and waiting to rocket through and grab up best candidates. Or there are humans on Autochthon who have Exalted, because that's a thing, too.
 
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Infernal and Abyssal Exaltations are just Solar Exaltations that have been re-purposed. Seeing as Oblivion has swallowed Creation, the mechanisms at work for making a Solar Exaltation into an Infernal, or Abyssal are now no more, so there is only 300 Solar Exaltaions, and 100* Sidereal Exaltations, and 300 Lunar Exaltations hanging about.
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Wouldn't we still have existing Abyssal and Infernal exaltations hanging around or does creation Collapsing somehow reformat them back to Solar?
 
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query said:
Wouldn't we still have existing Abyssal and Infernal exaltations hanging around or does creation Collapsing somehow reformat them back to Solar?
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They were always Solar, not even the Yozi and Neverborn could really change that. There are, however, mechanisms that they used to make them 'better', or perhaps, 'better suited to their purpose'. Sure, there's 50 that are a bit broken, with no Great Curse on them any more, I think, but ultimately, they are Solar Exaltations.

There is no demon to burrow itself into an Exalt to nudge and guide them, there is no Deathlord to have an Exalt swear themselves to. The Exaltations that were Infernal, or Abyssal, no longer have any guidance on them except that which is hardcoded into them. That guidance being the default Solar criteria for Exaltation.

No, the really big thing is that Lytek (or whatever his name is) is no longer scrubbing them of memories. Well, that, and a lot of charm trees are probably no longer existant, because those that granted them no longer exist.

Poor Sidereals. Stuck with only bullshit martial arts, for example. Of course, now The Mask is no longer broken (it just doesn't exist).
 
ChandraMagic said:
Infernal and Abyssal Exaltations are just Solar Exaltations that have been re-purposed. Seeing as Oblivion has swallowed Creation, the mechanisms at work for making a Solar Exaltation into an Infernal, or Abyssal are now no more, so there is only 300 Solar Exaltaions, 100 Sidereal Exaltations, and 300 Lunar Exaltations hanging about.

I mentioned to Grom way back when, that they are probably sitting there, waiting, like sharks, just pointed at the pinhole and waiting to rocket through and grab up best candidates. Or there are humans on Autochthon who have Exalted, because that's a thing, too.
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Actually, the mechanism for turning a Solar Exaltation into an Abyssal was to bathe it in Oblivion. Whoops.
ChandraMagic said:
They were always Solar, not even the Yozi and Neverborn could really change that. There are, however, mechanisms that they used to make them 'better', or perhaps, 'better suited to their purpose'. Sure, there's 50 that are a bit broken, with no Great Curse on them any more, I think, but ultimately, they are Solar Exaltations.

There is no demon to burrow itself into an Exalt to nudge and guide them, there is no Deathlord to have an Exalt swear themselves to. The Exaltations that were Infernal, or Abyssal, no longer have any guidance on them except that which is hardcoded into them. That guidance being the default Solar criteria for Exaltation.

No, the really big thing is that Lytek (or whatever his name is) is no longer scrubbing them of memories. Well, that, and a lot of charm trees are probably no longer existant, because those that granted them no longer exist.

Poor Sidereals. Stuck with only bullshit martial arts, for example. Of course, now The Mask is no longer broken (it just doesn't exist).
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Fun fact, if you destroy the Monstrance an Abyssal shard is bound to, the Deathlord loses control of it. The shard then reverts to Solar-like patterns of seeking a new host, with the difference that instead of giving a hero a boost when they need it, it attaches to people who did something heroic and died in the process.

As it attaches to them, the Abyssal shard itself gives them the choice that they can extend their lives, but in exchange they will be destroying the world, just as the Deathlord would normally do. The World-ending aspects of the Shard are hard-coded into it, and can only be changed by the redemption of the host.

The Sidereal's charms that didn't rely on fate or astrology would be unaffected (aka the ones that work in Malfeas), as the Sidereals only relied on the Maidens to design new charms for them. For the ones already loaded they would be as unaffected as the Solars if Sol Invictus died.

Also, I'm a little confused as to why the destruction of Creation would affect things in Malfeas at all. Sure the Yozi might be pissed their toy was gone, but they hadn't been able to play with it for millennia anyway. They predate Creation, an utterly insignificant spot of dirt that could get lost in any one of Malfeas's layers, and are utterly unreliant on it for anything.
 
ChandraMagic said:
Poor Sidereals. Stuck with only bullshit martial arts, for example. Of course, now The Mask is no longer broken (it just doesn't exist).
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Also Sorcery. The Shinma still exist, and there's still one Primordial around, so Sorcery should in theory be possible.

And that's not counting the tiny fragment of Maiden-ness that still remains in all those Exaltations, just waiting for an Essence 10 Sidereal to give up their humanity... or perhaps to catalyze some entirely new set of Charm trees in the new Creation that will ensue?

Of course, there's always the oMage approach too.
Odysseus2099 said:
Also, I'm a little confused as to why the destruction of Creation would affect things in Malfeas at all. Sure the Yozi might be pissed their toy was gone, but they hadn't been able to play with it for millennia anyway. They predate Creation, an utterly insignificant spot of dirt that could get lost in any one of Malfeas's layers, and are utterly unreliant on it for anything.
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No, actually, several of them don't predate Creation. Malfeas himself, for example.

And it would really suck for them if certain absurdly powerful superhumans wielding Autochthon's most terrible inventions were to shackle him to Creation via millions of tiny portals through Cecelyne, thus linking his continued existence to its, wouldn't it?
 
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ChandraMagic said:
I mentioned to Grom way back when, that they are probably sitting there, waiting, like sharks, just pointed at the pinhole and waiting to rocket through and grab up best candidates. Or there are humans on Autochthon who have Exalted, because that's a thing, too.
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The Creation Interlude suggests they are still in Creation, hovering in Oblivion.
Odysseus2099 said:
Also, I'm a little confused as to why the destruction of Creation would affect things in Malfeas at all. Sure the Yozi might be pissed their toy was gone, but they hadn't been able to play with it for millennia anyway. They predate Creation, an utterly insignificant spot of dirt that could get lost in any one of Malfeas's layers, and are utterly unreliant on it for anything.
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[X] Creation


Interlude:


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Floating in an endless Abyss, dim embers of powers too invincible to be destroyed even by Nothingness itself serve as the only reminder of the existence that birthed them.


There are no memories of a Primordial War, here. Nor of the Ages that followed.

No memory of a great darkness escaping its prison through trickery, only to drown the world in sorrow.

For those that would have remembered chose Death over Suffering.


So now, there are no Primordials, no Gods, and no Mortals.


Only Oblivion.


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Basically, it looks like the plot of Return of the Scarlet Empress took place.
The Yozi overplayed their hand, ED broke out of Malfeas, and the survivors in Creation decided to make sure EVERYONE lost, something the Neverborn and their agents were entirely happy to help with.
 
ChandraMagic said:
Infernal and Abyssal Exaltations are just Solar Exaltations that have been re-purposed. Seeing as Oblivion has swallowed Creation, the mechanisms at work for making a Solar Exaltation into an Infernal, or Abyssal are now no more, so there is only 300 Solar Exaltaions, 100 Sidereal Exaltations, and 300 Lunar Exaltations hanging about.
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Note that the Infernal Exaltations don't need constant Yozi monitoring to keep from reverting back to Solar Exaltations:
MoEP: Infernals said:
The alterations to the Exaltation involved in creating an Infernal go far beyond the scope of the simple inversion process performed on the Exaltations of the deathknights. Accordingly, Green Sun Princes can't be changed back into Solars while they live. However, these complex changes are also much more fragile than the deeper mutilation of deathknights—an Infernal Essence outside of a host body could almost certainly be restored by Lytek, Autochthon or the Unconquered Sun if they could find a way to capture the Essence and immobilize it long enough to ritually cleanse it.
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That sounds pretty strongly as though the changes made are permanent unless someone else acts to fix them; it's not simply a matter of cutting them off from their home. That does leave them in a bit of a pickle, though. Even those Infernals who Swallowed the Scorpion still rely on demons to convey the Exaltation to its intended host.
 
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