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- Seattle, Washington
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Emote Control
Plenty of genius, not enough sense.
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- Mid-Atlantic
I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying. I think you need more punctuation. But if I understand rightly, the "plan" is mostly just "do what seems logical." We don't really have enough information yet to make informed decisions. And it's likely that a lot of those decisions won't be in the military's hands anyway.
We're basically in the position of the Meiji Restoration's military ministers, trying to learn a huge amount about how military technology is "destined" to evolve in the 100-300 year technological gap between what we think of as 'advanced' and what they think of as 'normal,' and trying to replicate at least a fraction of this technology for ourselves without wasting our extremely limited foreign exchange budget on things that won't actually help us protect ourselves or that would be more efficiently done some other way.
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It's a victory of sorts. They fuck off and the payment we make is a fraction of what the war continuing would cost us. At least this makes demobilisation far easier and it's hopefully soon enough that the damage from the mobilisation isn't completely catastrophic
It's a victory of sorts. They fuck off and the payment we make is a fraction of what the war continuing would cost us. At least this makes demobilisation far easier and it's hopefully soon enough that the damage from the mobilisation isn't completely catastrophic
I was asking if we are going to even try to get what is seen as average but will cost a appropriate price, or we are going to act like the backwater they see as and get what what they see as old military surplus because it will be cheaper and we can research how to make better stuff that suits for us out of it? also don't get Meiji Restoration vibes from us at all our guys are in a better position then Japan was in.
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We probably don't want to buy much or any military hardware, much better to pay for engineers and machinery to improve the general level we can manufacture domestic equipment on.
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maybe to buy more books, or as previously suggested in the thread, pay for sending some of the elves (and owls?) to the foreign universities/tech schools/whatnots
maybe to buy more books, or as previously suggested in the thread, pay for sending some of the elves (and owls?) to the foreign universities/tech schools/whatnots
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- Location
- The great frozen north
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Basically we pay a small bribe for them to fuck off. More than fuck off, we get access to the interstellar economy. With hefty mark up yeah, but just being able to buy their university textbooks will be big.
It could be outright lies, but with our SIGINT nat 100 I imagine we'd know if it was.
Basically we pay a small bribe for them to fuck off. More than fuck off, we get access to the interstellar economy. With hefty mark up yeah, but just being able to buy their university textbooks will be big.
This is very interesting, "remaining acceptable to the galactic community". It's saying that in the wider society at least of the Coalition of Liberated Planets, executing people that commit treason against you and lose is very highly frowned upon. Frustrating. And if the galaxy will be peeking at what we're doing, worrying. The circumstances that led to the great nuclear exchange probably would make the galaxy distrustful of elven culture.
It could be outright lies, but with our SIGINT nat 100 I imagine we'd know if it was.
Are any of these social techs, or does the elf streak of only learning social technologies from being really good at mobilizing continue?
Don't think it's a good idea to get nothing because there is likely a lot of good stuff that we can copy and innovate from and that it is a good idea to see what potential weapons the next enemy will have.
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Nope, we continue our streak
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
One of the initial rolls was a Social Tech, but it was on a tank, and Blackstar ruled that fancy decals on tank hulls are not something the Seelie can get a social tech out of.
Hey one of the salamanders might have put a quote from his favorite psychology book on it
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Well, how on Earth, Danaan, or Owl Planet should I know? It depends on the price lists we see, on whether we have to deal with import/export controls on advanced weapons technology, and on a lot of other factors we can't realistically predict at the moment.
Are we? Aside from hopefully having our internal politics sorted so we don't have to fight a civil war amongst ourselves before serious efforts at modernization can begin, I'm not sure that we are.
Our technological gap is so massive that the physical hardware products of their civilization can stand and fight against ours at something like 10:1 odds. Their infantry rifles are credible light anti-armor weapons against us; the reverse is hilariously not true. Their naval technology is so superior that literally the only way we plausibly could have won a naval And the only reason we could put up as good a fight as we did in infantry warfare is that the troops they were fielding were badly inferior to ours in training, doctrine, morale, and species physicality.
It really is about as bad as if we were pitting Tokugawa-era samurai with matchlock guns and swordsmanship and seagoing junks against breechloading rifles and shrapnel shells and ironclads. In a situation like that you can win a land battle... if numbers and morale are on your side and you're careful and cunning about picking your battles. And that "if" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Imagine if some colonial power of 1860 had had a private filibustering expedition throw together a few steam-powered wooden gunboats, some big sailing transports with modern European cannon on the broadside, and, oh, five thousand or so mercenary sepoys of various quality (about as much as would fit) and sailed them to Japan. Barring details of them landing in the middle of a civil war or whatever, the sepoys would have cut a pretty wide swath. But no one would be that surprised if the Tokugawa Shogunate had managed to put up enough of a fight that the mercenaries mutinied and forced their commanders to accept a surrender. Because, well, "all of Japan," or even "a lot of Japan" is enough to put out a LOT of troops, and even if most of them are fighting with arquebuses and spears and bows and arrows, that's a hell of a lot of fighting to do. Especially if the commanders are screwing up by the numbers.
Well, that, or there's kind of a double standard where planets of 'semi-savage' primitives who only barely just discovered warp drive are concerned.
With that said, I strongly suspect that Ricky's idea of how many people ought to be executed for high treason in this situation is a bit higher than some of our modern-day real world civilizations would be happy to countenance. I imagine some of us ourselves are anti-death-penalty when we're not roleplaying as crazed nuke elves.
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Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
It's more that the Seelie definition of "treason" is um...literally anyone who worked for the collaborator government getting shot. Worked for being broadly defined as anyone who fulfilled a useful function that benefitted the state, however vaguely or loosely, including just schoolteachers and sanitation workers.
I think estimates were that we would have executed something like a million or so people on Curach if we'd won militarily. The CLP commander instead insisted on letting the majority of the rank and file go and lifelong prison sentences for the leadership. Which was partially done to convince the collaborator government to stand down without a fight, since they know what treatment they can expect from the Seelie government normally.
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- Minnesota
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It's probably gone to buy some military equipment both for scavenging more tech dice from it and also so we can design our next generation of vehicles against it. Otherwise we should use the forex for the most noble goal of all:
Taking advantage of our complete infiltration of the clps comms to do hella fukken insider trading with the goal of buying them out and making the executives watch as we dismantle it
Taking advantage of our complete infiltration of the clps comms to do hella fukken insider trading with the goal of buying them out and making the executives watch as we dismantle it