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A Villain In A World Of Heroes

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Dark Ness said:
While you are still bound by the vines? It might be a good idea take are of that.
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I was going for a controlled burn, as in burning the parts of the vines far away from you but still able to disconnect the vines from its roots, but I take it it won't work

Editting previous vote then...
Trondason said:
That doesn't make sense. Fire should work no better against a Regenerator than a normal person.
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It is a common belief that cauterised tissue is unable to be regenerated since normal long-term healing processes cannot heal cauterised wounds and natural regeneration is merely sped-up healing.

Only magical or mutant (wolverine-like) healing is ever deemed to not be affected by fire. Natural regeneration in general is.
 
A forest fire we don't need to worry about so much. We have spammable wind control, and ice. We can withstand the flames long enough to get to a relatively safe area, then use ice to soak the heat immediately around us (and render the wood and ground immediately around us much less flammable) and use wind control along with the ice to make sure that we're breathing air that's relatively clean and cool enough to not scald the lungs. It might wind up being a hassle to keep it up long enough, but it shoudl be entirely doable - and that assumes that we can't just ice it down enough to quench it before the fire really gets going.
 
JeffJway said:
It is a common belief that cauterised tissue is unable to be regenerated since normal long-term healing processes cannot heal cauterised wounds and natural regeneration is merely sped-up healing.

Only magical or mutant (wolverine-like) healing is ever deemed to not be affected by fire. Natural regeneration in general is.
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Well, good thing our regeneration is magic, cause natural regeneration would never regrow a arm over night, if at all.
 
A forest fire will kill Cedra. She has no skills that can stop a large fire from spreading. Cedra is 14, and is not a runner. She is carrying a heavy pelt, chainmail, and a bunch of meat. Her speed may have been boosted a bit from the wolf, but that does not mean she can outrun a forest fire for long. Her endurance will be pushed to the limits and her body will give out from exhaustion long before she reaches safety.

Regeneration won't save her from burning alive, suffocating due to smoke inhalation, or being crushed by falling trees and running animals/monsters if the fire gets to that level of BS. Regeneration will let her recover from the burns faster, but that doesn't mean Cedra has any sort of advantage when facing fire.

Sirrocco said:
A forest fire we don't need to worry about so much. We have spammable wind control, and ice. We can withstand the flames long enough to get to a relatively safe area, then use ice to soak the heat immediately around us (and render the wood and ground immediately around us much less flammable) and use wind control along with the ice to make sure that we're breathing air that's relatively clean and cool enough to not scald the lungs. It might wind up being a hassle to keep it up long enough, but it shoudl be entirely doable - and that assumes that we can't just ice it down enough to quench it before the fire really gets going.
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Our Aeromancy is capable of levitating pebbles... We are nowhere near skilled enough, especially without actual Wind-based spells, to cycle cool air into our immediate vicinity, in the middle of a raging forest fire, without making the fire worse. We are also not skilled enough to ice enough area around us to prevent a forest fire from spreading for very long at all.

Cedra knows no Wind/Aero spells, and the only Ice spell she knows creates a 1-2 ft spear of ice that freezes on contact.
 
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Arkatekt said:
Our Aeromancy is capable of levitating pebbles...
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No that's telekinesis. Our Aeromancy can cause gusts of wind, but not very strong so still wouldn't be helpful for putting out the fire.
Arkatekt said:
We are also not skilled enough to ice enough area around us to prevent a forest fire from spreading for very long at all.
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We can shoot a Ice spear every second. Each ice spear freezes what it touches, including the ground. Even if it didn't it's still a spear of ice, get enough of them and the ice itself would cool stuff down.
 
Trondason said:
We can shoot a Ice spear every second. Each ice spear freezes what it touches, including the ground. Even if it didn't it's still a spear of ice, get enough of them and the ice itself would cool stuff down.
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For a small fire, that would be fine, but we are talking about a forest fire. Something that takes hours to days of dedicated effort to put out, with more people, and significantly more advanced tactics and technology than Cedra has available.
 
If we do actually start a forest fire there's a pond of water we can hide in nearby. The real problem with this plan is that it doesn't let us eat anything.
 
Trondason said:
Don't want to put out the entire fire. Just keep it from burning us.
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You are seriously overestimating the effect 2ft chunks of ice would have on a large fire, while also underestimating the heat and damage a fire can cause. The fire does not need to touch Cedra to kill her. The heat of a large fire can cause severe dehydration, heat exhaustion, heat stroke, non-contact burns, and can cause blood to boil.

An average surface fire on the forest floor might have flames reaching 1 metre in height and can reach temperatures of 800°C (1,472°F) or more.
The boiling point for human blood is 256.2 degrees Fahrenheit
 
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How dry is this forest right now? If it's wet enough, you won't get a fire that's self-sustaining regardless.

I'll acknowledge that if we're dealing with the sort of woods where forest fires happen from time to time as a thing, and a dry season, then we might be in trouble, but not all woods are like that in all seasons.
 
[X] Spam Icebolts everywhere. Start with the vines holding you, then the obvious bulb of obviousness, and then aim at anything else that looks even vaguely important. Don't stop until the vines stop moving

The entire clearing is covered with these vines. Using copious amounts of fire here is a terrible idea, since the only fire we can control is the 2ft diameter ball of flame. Everything else that is set aflame will burn like a normal fire. This is not a good thing in the middle of a forest, while both wrapped in vines, and surrounded on all sides for at least 40 feet by vines.

Dark Ness said:
You enter a clearing, and, strangely, the entire ground seems covered in vines.
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Arkatekt said:
A forest fire will kill Cedra. She has no skills that can stop a large fire from spreading. Cedra is 14, and is not a runner. She is carrying a heavy pelt, chainmail, and a bunch of meat. Her speed may have been boosted a bit from the wolf, but that does not mean she can outrun a forest fire for long. Her endurance will be pushed to the limits and her body will give out from exhaustion long before she reaches safety.

Regeneration won't save her from burning alive, suffocating due to smoke inhalation, or being crushed by falling trees and running animals/monsters if the fire gets to that level of BS. Regeneration will let her recover from the burns faster, but that doesn't mean Cedra has any sort of advantage when facing fire.


Our Aeromancy is capable of levitating pebbles... We are nowhere near skilled enough, especially without actual Wind-based spells, to cycle cool air into our immediate vicinity, in the middle of a raging forest fire, without making the fire worse. We are also not skilled enough to ice enough area around us to prevent a forest fire from spreading for very long at all.

Cedra knows no Wind/Aero spells, and the only Ice spell she knows creates a 1-2 ft spear of ice that freezes on contact.
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Once again, the voice of anti-fun common sense shines through. Vote changed.

I think this fire conversation may have ignited the thread. Sorry.
 
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Arkatekt said:
You are seriously overestimating the effect 2ft chunks of ice would have on a large fire, while also underestimating the heat and damage a fire can cause. The fire does not need to touch Cedra to kill her. The heat of a large fire can cause severe dehydration, heat exhaustion, heat stroke, non-contact burns, and can cause blood to boil.

An average surface fire on the forest floor might have flames reaching 1 metre in height and can reach temperatures of 800°C (1,472°F) or more.
The boiling point for human blood is 256.2 degrees Fahrenheit
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And YOU are underestimating how much ice there is. While each chunk is only 2 ft, we can make one every second. That's 120 ft of ice a minute. That is a fuck-ton of ice, and ice takes a LOT of energy to melt, especially since we are still adding more.
 
Trondason said:
And YOU are underestimating how much ice there is. While each chunk is only 2 ft, we can make one every second. That's 120 ft of ice a minute. That is a fuck-ton of ice, and ice takes a LOT of energy to melt, especially since we are still adding more.
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Don't forget that each bolt magically freezes the area around where it hits, in addition to itself.
 
look people the bottom line is bot ice and fire are equaly efective against plants but:
one is controlabe the other isn't, one risks our live the other don't ,one leaves the plant intact enough for us to eat it for power the other don't
and to top the main contingency plan in case of forest fire seens to be to cover the place with ice , so why do you want to firebal everything in the first place ?
 
Zaratustra said:
look people the bottom line is bot ice and fire are equaly efective against plants but:
one is controlabe the other isn't, one risks our live the other don't ,one leaves the plant intact enough for us to eat it for power the other don't
and to top the main contingency plan in case of forest fire seens to be to cover the place with ice , so why do you want to firebal everything in the first place ?
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In a nutshell? This:
 
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Vote tally:
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[X] Fire-ball the heck out of the bulb.
No. of votes: 2
Trondason, edmantgoog

[X] Use ice shards to slice the vines or cause the vines to die from the cold
No. of votes: 1
JeffJway

[X] Nova Glacium? Nova Glacium. Nova Glacium on the vines. Then cut the vines. Then Nova Glacium the bulb. Ice kills plants just as effectively as fire without all the burning hurting everything. If something moves, use Nova Glacium until it doesn't.
No. of votes: 1
NeoDarklight

[X] use ice to cut free of the vines. Then priced to cut your way out with your sword as you light the place on fire.
No. of votes: 1
Cjdavis103

[x] Burn baby burn
-[x] Disco inferno!
No. of votes: 1
Slamu

[X] Spam Icebolts everywhere. Start with the vines holding you, then the obvious bulb of obviousness, and then aim at anything else that looks even vaguely important. Don't stop until the vines stop moving
[X] When you're done, eat the bulb ,time to put some veggies on your diet
No. of votes: 1
Zaratustra

[X] Spam Icebolts everywhere. Start with the vines holding you, then the obvious bulb of obviousness, and then aim at anything else that looks even vaguely important. Don't stop until the vines stop moving.
[X] When you're done, set the clearing on fire to kill any seeds it may have and walk away. If you cause a forest fire, then the forest obviously deserved it.
-[X]Make sure to make a ring of Icebolts around the clearing first, to give you time to run away
No. of votes: 1
chocolote12

[X] Spam Icebolts everywhere. Start with the vines holding you, then the obvious bulb of obviousness, and then aim at anything else that looks even vaguely important. Don't stop until the vines stop moving
No. of votes: 1
Arkatekt
Well, that's a very scattered voting.
 
[X] Spam Icebolts everywhere. Start with the vines holding you, then the obvious bulb of obviousness, and then aim at anything else that looks even vaguely important. Don't stop until the vines stop moving

Tie-breaker?

Now it's three for various variations of FIRE, and six for various Variations of ICE! Ice wins.
 
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I am just going to leave it open for a while, but remember, discussion is your friend and all plans can use improvement (and I mean ALL of them).
 
New here! Just a thought - we have a bit of control over wind, right? Think it's strong enough to create some draft between us and the vines holding us so we can have a bit more wiggle room? I'd hate to shoot ourselves in the foot with that ice there.
 
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