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A Typical High School Life Filled with Supernatural Battles

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[X] Control 3 - Move the equivalent of 200 sheets of A4 paper. Can gather paper in a 20-meter radius. Paper can now be moved as fast as a fastball in baseball. (Cost 2 sparks)
 
[X] Control 3

I bet if our love interest used her force-field powers to stroke our stiff papers they'd fly out even faster!
 
BBBence1111 said:
We can have 4 razorblades or 200 pieces of paper going at 100 mph.

Yes they are worth the investment. But not right now. If we could bump it up to lvl 3/4? Sure, I'd take it. But now we need something that keeps us alive. And a slightly larger bird won't do it.

I do not understand the way you connect these things. First, you state that Control is not worth it. Then you say that tier 3 is stronger.

A single papercut does in fact mean fuck all to a normal enemy. How about 200? Or 400? Or 600? Because that paper goes fast. We can turn them around. And go again.

Where did you get the idea that 1: We'd instantly forget that everything else exists? and 2: That by focusing control we'd lose to everyone?

Because both of those are straight up stupid.

We have a massive powerup and 2 minors alivable. We are also expecting combat soon. Obviously, we take the massive powerup and use the combat/training exp to get the minor stuff later.

Tl,Dr: Learn to prioritize. First something that keeps us alive, then those buffs that are nice to have.
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I am saying a tier 3 upgrade gives more because its tier 3, but it is NOWHERE near as useful as the others since most of that would be NORMAL PAPER, You do realize normal paper... is worthless right? At most it'll blind a normal human at worse get us killed because we can't really Attack.
@PoptartProdigy has the right idea for that shiny, that is more Fools Gold than actual Gold
Its not that massive since most of the Control powerup is only effective at higher levels of our other aspects, because Most of that paper will again, BE PLAIN PAPER which is useless.
 
I must admit, I am confused here. What exactly is the attraction of the 200 sheets of paper when they're...well, paper? I mean, the speed certainly sounds intimidating, but it's still just paper.

Our enemy thus far is made out of clay, required the very limit of our ability last time to even injure, and was canny enough to pose a significant threat in direct combat when we started from an excellent position. And for our biggest upgrade cycle since then, we're picking...being able to throw around a lot of unaltered paper with no special tricks, very very fast.

I just don't understand what the attraction of the storm of sheets is when all of the evidence we have suggests that those sheets won't accomplish as much as they need to in a life-or-death battle. Could somebody clarify this for me? I truly am lost.
 
For the VERY simple reason that Control means we can use all the other options better.

Our current range is tragic, anyone within the range to use triple sharpness attacks on(which is to say, going for multiple hits while still controlling the paper), is already in melee of us. Same goes for Hardness, it's extremely strong, but a steel plate moving at low speeds is only threatening to slower or less armored opponents once we launch it.

I'm seriously not comprehending the "If we buy a powerful ability now we'd always be buying it" argument. The next upgrade to control would be THREE sparks, for which we can purchase Form 2 + Hardening 3 to make animated walls, or others. The best use for high control is to wield our Sharpness and Form options better.
 
Hmm, perhaps I can help. Your gift is able to control that which is considered paper - this includes computer paper, newspaper, tissue paper, paper mache, paper cartons, paper towels, paper confetti, wallpaper, magazines paper, paper books, and paper money.

Also consider that you can bundle up the paper and "throw" it.

Sharpness 1 currently cuts through flesh but won't get very far, 2 can cut deeper but won't cut through bone in a single slash, 3 can cut through bone and rocks, 4 can leave cuts in metal, and 5 can cut through metal with sufficient force.
 
veekie said:
For the VERY simple reason that Control means we can use all the other options better.

Our current range is tragic, anyone within the range to use triple sharpness attacks on(which is to say, going for multiple hits while still controlling the paper), is already in melee of us. Same goes for Hardness, it's extremely strong, but a steel plate moving at low speeds is only threatening to slower or less armored opponents once we launch it.

I'm seriously not comprehending the "If we buy a powerful ability now we'd always be buying it" argument. The next upgrade to control would be THREE sparks, for which we can purchase Form 2 + Hardening 3 to make animated walls, or others. The best use for high control is to wield our Sharpness and Form options better.
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20 M is still really tragic, but even if we have it what will we have? Our offense is pretty much the exact same just now with a bit more range and golems are fast motherfuckers, we'd better hope Lucille has a good offense or we might be in trouble.
 
shibosho said:
Hmm, perhaps I can help. Your gift is able to control that which is considered paper - this includes computer paper, newspaper, tissue paper, paper mache, paper cartons, paper towels, paper confetti, wallpaper, magazines paper, paper books, and paper money.

Also consider that you can bundle up the paper and "throw" it.

Sharpness 1 currently cuts through flesh but won't get very far, 2 can cut deeper but won't cut through bone in a single slash, 3 can cut through bone and rocks, 4 can leave cuts in metal, and 5 can cut through metal with sufficient force.
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What about the form levels?
 
veekie said:
For the VERY simple reason that Control means we can use all the other options better.

Our current range is tragic, anyone within the range to use triple sharpness attacks on(which is to say, going for multiple hits while still controlling the paper), is already in melee of us. Same goes for Hardness, it's extremely strong, but a steel plate moving at low speeds is only threatening to slower or less armored opponents once we launch it.

I'm seriously not comprehending the "If we buy a powerful ability now we'd always be buying it" argument. The next upgrade to control would be THREE sparks, for which we can purchase Form 2 + Hardening 3 to make animated walls, or others. The best use for high control is to wield our Sharpness and Form options better.
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Hm. Well, I get what you're saying, I suppose I simply value it differently. Control allows us to use our options better, yes -- but our other options are currently very anemic indeed. According to the QM three posts above me we can presently make shallow cuts in flesh, and make dumb, tiny constructs. That's...it's worthless. I'm trying to find a nicer way to say it, and I'm failing. We couldn't appreciably hurt a person with our current abilities, never mind a golem. From my perspective, Control's only use at this point would be allowing us to be mediocre at longer ranges. The best use for higher control would be to wield Sharpness and Form better...but both of those are rank 1 and, as mentioned above, worthless. I'll be the first to jump on the Control train once the abilities it meshes best with are at a worthwhile state, but at the moment it seems like a long-term investment as we're going into a dangerous situation. I don't think it's a guaranteed fight, but as many have pointed out we are planning on wandering around alone.

With 200 sheets of really fast, unaltered paper, any one of which we can make pleasantly mediocre at a time.

So...I do understand your argument, and your conclusion is sound. But I think it proceeds from the premise of, "our current abilities are practically usable." And from what the QM is telling us, that is not a sound premise.

EDIT: And the QM says below that we can cover people's faces with paper with Form 2, which is insanely and surprisingly useful.
 
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Reader of all said:
What about the form levels?
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Form 2 is A3, 3 is A2, 4 is A1, 5 is A0. Each level confers greater complexity of orders/instructions given to constructs. At 5, They can follow orders such as "find this without letting this guy find you and also get me a ham and cheese sandwich while you're at it" (sandwich may or may not be an actual sandwich) performing them to the spirit of the command. There are other details but I don't want to get into those just yet.

Also, you can cover people's faces with paper. Think on that.
 
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PoptartProdigy said:
With 200 sheets of really fast, unaltered paper, any one of which we can make pleasantly mediocre at a time.
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We can only harden a limited number, but there's no indication we need to lose control over the other paper to do so?
There's also simply papering over every inch of an opponent and then exerting that force downwards/upwards while we launch a full speed, sharpened + hardened blade through them.

The main issue is that even with full investment, Form and Sharpness adds in a negligible manner to our combat ability until it passes the minimum thresholds, while Control allows us to launch aluminium/steel plates at high velocity right now. Once we have Control 3, we can actually make use of the triple attack mode of Sharpness as well.
 
veekie said:
We can only harden a limited number, but there's no indication we need to lose control over the other paper to do so?
There's also simply papering over every inch of an opponent and then exerting that force downwards/upwards while we launch a full speed, sharpened + hardened blade through them.

The main issue is that even with full investment, Form and Sharpness adds in a negligible manner to our combat ability until it passes the minimum thresholds, while Control allows us to launch aluminium/steel plates at high velocity right now. Once we have Control 3, we can actually make use of the triple attack mode of Sharpness as well.
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Well in the training update, our character lost control of all his paper when he went to harden one, so there is precedence to losing cntrl of our paper if we want to harden
 
Something to think about: The form levels also let us fuse papers together to form bigger sheets. Sheets that we could use our hardening on. An A3 size piece of paper is much bigger than an A4 after all, and it only goes up from there. A useful combination for defensive purposes.
 
[x] Form 2 - You can fuse pages together to make A3 sheets of paper. A construct made from paper can follow several simple commands and have set conditions. (Cost 1 spark)
[x] Sharpness 2 - 4 sheets of paper can be given a sharp edge. Sharpness lasts for three cuts. (Costs 1 spark)

If it's this easy to get upgrades, then freaking build the foundation before adding in the higher floors. Get everything to 2, then we have powers worth talking about. More options always trumps fewer options. Plus while a wider control area would be nice, you are assuming we will find paper in the area. We very well might not and all our extra control power is wasted.
 
So I just found out about a thing call stone paper which is basically regular paper made from calcium carbonate bonded with high-density polyethylene (HDPE). It's also waterproof, greaseproof, and insectproof.
 
Huh neat, but again not high priority. Still if it's not expensive we could always pick some up as an emergency umbrella or if we have to fight a water dude without any warning.
 
I'd also highlight that most money is made from water resistant paper, and that waxed paper is also paper.

For fire dudes, we just need to use the paper railgun. Move it fast enough and they can't burn it before it penetrates.
 
veekie said:
I'd also highlight that most money is made from water resistant paper, and that waxed paper is also paper.
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Hm. Money manipulation didn't enter my mind before.

Do you suggest teaming up with the invisible robber and visit a bank office? All the money just fly out of the safes towards a bag that mysteriously vanishes into thin air. And he could only think about robbing a store. Pfft, amateurs.

I suppose that folding them into cranes and making them fly through the city streets would make for one hell of a distraction should we ever need one. :whistle:
 
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