You don't really need to train it though. We get something like Fullmight to boost ourselves and then it's just manner of it advancing and buffing our stats even more. It would be especially good if we can apply it to our artifacts too, at some point.
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Rihaku
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Current vote count?
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It's honestly not that hard to evaluate the omake power yourselves if you want to, just a lot of work. It's more complicated when there's rollover but there wasn't any for this vote.
Given that the vote was close at 34 to 28 and Surge had both more total omake volume and higher average omake quality, it's not surprising that they had more omake power. Saying the amounts are 'comparable' is true only in a very loose sense for wordcount, which Surge still had more of, to say nothing of pictures and the Surge omakes (like Box Lunch's) that were omitted from the summary.
While it's ultimately subjective, I think a majority of disinterested parties reading through both omake lists would agree with the assessment that, despite great omakes from the Vertex side, the average quality on the Surge side was higher.
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It's honestly not that hard to evaluate the omake power yourselves if you want to, just a lot of work. It's more complicated when there's rollover but there wasn't any for this vote.
Given that the vote was close at 34 to 28 and Surge had both more total omake volume and higher average omake quality, it's not surprising that they had more omake power. Saying the amounts are 'comparable' is true only in a very loose sense for wordcount, which Surge still had more of, to say nothing of pictures and the Surge omakes (like Box Lunch's) that were omitted from the summary.
While it's ultimately subjective, I think a majority of disinterested parties reading through both omake lists would agree with the assessment that, despite great omakes from the Vertex side, the average quality on the Surge side was higher.
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I can be talked into a 2 that happens to fit a slot Sword Praxis can't easily do.
Sigh. Why do I bother?
While your here Rihaku can you answer whether we need to pick up an Imaginary Element in the next update or can we just postpone it so we can head straight for the Ruling Ring?
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Perhaps I am just irrationally insulted at how little my effort is worth because I spend most of it trying to convince people than write stories since I'm shit at it.
If the point is activity you cannot possibly claim I'm not king for that one.
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for what it's worth, graduate school is an extended and elaborate form of hazing / brainwashing that makes people miserable right up until the moment it's over with. I'm about 9 months from completion and I am counting down the days to when it's over and i'm allowed to have a personality again.
I can't know everything that you're going through but Grad School in the time of Covid is an objectively difficult challenge to face even without complications. Good Luck with the rest of your program!
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Fffffffffuck stinki maeg bilds.
If it ain't Sword Praxis Magic, then it just ain't worth it.
Shitposting aside, one of the bigger issues I'm generally seeing with Valor is that adding more on our Cut Through-boosted attacks at this point gives diminished returns. So our power of Ruin scales with our strength. Drop in the bucket when Cut Through is enough to murder them straight up.
Surgecraft winning is eh, really. Having even new Magic Systems is super Eh right now too. It opens up new avenues to murderize our enemies you say? Well shit, boi, Cut Through literally swallowed up all the other avenues of attacking. If Cut Through can't murder it, little chance Surgecraft is gonna be of any help. If we're gonna go for Utility? Surgecraft? May as well just increase Rank and Save Arete to get ++Progression. That's tippy top utility right there.
Best part is that with ++Progression, it is theoretically possible to fight monsters that won't give us Complications because they provide more EXP now. Surprised? So was I.
On top of that, the magic thing wasn't even meant for Hunger to begin with. Literally a Letrizia vote, that one. Having to toss and turn too much about this particular Magic vote was meant to make Letrizia quasi-relevant outside of piloting Verse. She's the Evening-Sky equivalent of this Quest if Hunger, Gisena, and Letrizia were our Panoply.
Just vote on making Hunger swoller and less of a bitch ass ranklet. Get that Ruling Ring ++Progression, then worry about everything else that Cut Through can't already solve.
If it ain't Sword Praxis Magic, then it just ain't worth it.
Shitposting aside, one of the bigger issues I'm generally seeing with Valor is that adding more on our Cut Through-boosted attacks at this point gives diminished returns. So our power of Ruin scales with our strength. Drop in the bucket when Cut Through is enough to murder them straight up.
Surgecraft winning is eh, really. Having even new Magic Systems is super Eh right now too. It opens up new avenues to murderize our enemies you say? Well shit, boi, Cut Through literally swallowed up all the other avenues of attacking. If Cut Through can't murder it, little chance Surgecraft is gonna be of any help. If we're gonna go for Utility? Surgecraft? May as well just increase Rank and Save Arete to get ++Progression. That's tippy top utility right there.
Best part is that with ++Progression, it is theoretically possible to fight monsters that won't give us Complications because they provide more EXP now. Surprised? So was I.
On top of that, the magic thing wasn't even meant for Hunger to begin with. Literally a Letrizia vote, that one. Having to toss and turn too much about this particular Magic vote was meant to make Letrizia quasi-relevant outside of piloting Verse. She's the Evening-Sky equivalent of this Quest if Hunger, Gisena, and Letrizia were our Panoply.
Just vote on making Hunger swoller and less of a bitch ass ranklet. Get that Ruling Ring ++Progression, then worry about everything else that Cut Through can't already solve.
Yet when Rihaku provided examples of 7 and 25 Arete elements he specified that the effects he provided we a result of mastery, which does imply some need to train or practice, otherwise would it not just be 7 Arete pick rather than a magic system.
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Grad school is annoying.
My dad dying in front of me out of the blue over the holidays shortly before we were supposed to help me sort out my future is why everything sucks.
It likely depends on what you pick. If you get something conceptual, youll need time to create relevant effects. On the other hand, dumb buffing via element saturation should be relatively simple.
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Would it? Rihaku said in his view the Thread would regret not taking her. Maybe that's because she's an alt version of Hunger's wife?
You're all underestimating the 0-Arete Imaginary Element of Pluck
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That doesn't sound awkward to you? Because taking an alt-version of your wife as an apprentice sounds even more so to me than someone with the same name (and family).
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BRUFORD BOIS STAND PROUD.
Also Training and Mastery. Kek. If we wanna get gud at something, we're gonna need to spend even more picks and shit at it. Using it at zero dire consequence situations means we might as well multiply the effort with 0 if we wanted it to become more effective.
That's an entire Skill Tree I cannot be bothered to give a damn about.
I had wondered back then why her nickname was Catherine instead of Katelyn. Turns out it was to pull some of Hunger's heartstrings!
I reread the blurb and it does not sound like something we can just do perfectly even if it is simple. Remember that it has emotional components to it and the description said that control comes slowly so it's not like we can just expect it to be perfectly consistent right off the bat. Also we still do not know how much something like full might costs and I would honestly prefer to avoid surges as there are options that are far more interesting to me.
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He did penetrate Hunger quite decisively...
Getting Fullmight, letting it buff us and then just letting it advance as we use it in every single fight sounds perfectly fine to me.
The Ruling Ring, so close yet so very far away...
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The former, but Ruling Ring's not really a magic system per se. As Hunger notes, even the Ring of Blood doesn't convey telekinetic power over blood. The types of influence it performs are more subtle than that.
You may have access to some exotic effects at the start depending on the element in question. For example, Roilweft is a space-based Element that can compress or enlarge distances fairly easily, but using it to, for example, create a pocket dimension would take a lot of time and practice.
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Somewhat unrelated, trying to reduce value to Arete and picks alone was not correct even when you only had one magic system, and is much less correct now that you have potential access to 2-3. Even a 0 Arete Surge could generate a significant value without taking any Arete or picks, and also changes the relative value of existing and future Advancements depending on its synergies. Think carefully about what you are actually getting for each option and how that works in the context of your overall build! For example, Blood Stats may unlock future Blood Advancements while Zweihander lets you panic button Magic-Defeating Stance alongside the non-mechanical benefits of having two arms.
And by that point he was livin' on a prayer...
So that all well and good but,
Highly conceptual does not sound simple, and it sounds liable to cost more and I would rather not spend arete on this.
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It must be raining somewhere else!
I wonder if we'd win a contest of primacy against Nameless... probably not.