We've been warned multiple times about starting the contest of primacy before we're ready, so I don't really feel the obsession to get the Ring as soon as possible. Surgecraft might or might not be worth it, but we'll know when we see what's on offer. It's premature to judge a magic system before we learn about possible synergies it could offer.
A Simple Transaction I
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We've been warned multiple times a contest is possible.
Rihaku has not once said there will actually be a contest. Or what the contest means.
See, due to the way this works we could be dealing with something 100,000 years our senior that will squash us no matter what we do. Or we could be dealing with ownerless rings that aren't going to contest. It's a massive question mark and one too large for us to actually prepare for.
I'm not the one who started down this road by buying Bloodmight. In fact I specifically opposed it at the time. But the path has been started and cutting it only now? No.
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It was mentioned that having two hands is helpful for most Surges, not that not having an arm means we can't use it at all.
Rihaku's statements were just a clarification, that there will be a contest can be read from the Ring options themselves.
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I am completely aware of this.
That changes anything I said how?
There will be a contest only if it is opposed. We don't actually know the requirements for it to be opposed. For all we know the only ring in range is the Moon ring, and who knows if it can do anything without an owner, let alone in its current state.
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This is stronger than what's actually been said, which has never actually confirmed a contest will even begin. Considering the scale the verse goes up to, it's also somewhat an argument for indefinite delay.
Surgecrafting needs us to pre-commit to an otherwise not too useful 3 pick choice here, so its by nature demands prejudging.
If there's a qualifying ring in verse. Which isn't confirmed.
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You missed my previous edit probably (wouldn't have made sense to quote you on an edit since as far as I know it doesn't work), should probably learn to write my posts faster.
I just want to make clear, that's not really a modus operandi I abide by. As far as we know Surgecraft will be full of cool shit, so I'd appreciate if nobody tried to ruin our chances with it before even seeing what it does just because they think their cool shit is better.
If you want people to go all-in into Quickening and Vigor sure, there are merits to it, but doing it just to undermine the efforts of the people who voted for Surgecraft during the previous vote is...
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I did not miss your edit.
Read my last post. Your edit upsets me. A lot.
Now I am leaving. I managed a whole 2 votes this time. God why can no one in this thread stick to the most basic of fucking plans?
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Functionally that was more or less the impression given. That it will be close to nonviable in combat without another hand. Maybe you can squeeze in a rare use here an there, but you won't get much.
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Also, annoyed at Rihaku for only bringing that up now.
If he insists on interfering with the vote as a QM he can at least pretend to be a little fair about it, instead of dropping major "oh, by the way this thing is entirely useless if you don't also get this" only after we commit to the first thing.
If he insists on interfering with the vote as a QM he can at least pretend to be a little fair about it, instead of dropping major "oh, by the way this thing is entirely useless if you don't also get this" only after we commit to the first thing.
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Unless you have reason to believe that better thing is a change to their surgecraft element which is apparently near impossible or mutually exclusive with the better Element option I think Scales point still stands.
Hmm. Possibly? Whats your argument that people would choose it over the ring and that this would necessarily be the wrong choice even with FV given their are 25 Arete Tier Surgecraft elements?
The impression one derives from the words is subjective, but there was nothing said about Surgecraft being close to non-viable if we don't have two arms. Most surges will be less helpful, but that doesn't mean that they will do nothing and "most" does not mean "all".
We can't prepare for the risks of unknown Ringbearers, that's true. What we can do is not start this contest right when we're in a Ring Temple and Apocrypha is about to restart. Bloodmight is a future investment and pretty good on its own. It does not bind us to a contract to get the Ring as soon as possible when we would be better served to prepare in other ways first.
Do you seriously believe there will be no other qualifying Rings? We aren't that lucky. Apocrypha makes sure of that if nothing else.
Notice this is about even a compromise pick that would require less bandwith.
It still comes across as very unpromising for one handed use.
I wouldn't be particularly surprised, since rings don't seem native to this place. So it would require the realm to have picked one up.
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The voters of this quest are incredibly impulsive and Rihaku encourages the behavior actively and passively for entertainment.
If we do not have at least 12 arete on returning to the Temple I will have completed my doctorate before we get the Ring. I am absolutely certain of that. This thread can only be made to save if something sufficiently shiny is within reach. So we need the ring to be within reach or we will never get it.
I don't defend for over 6 weeks.
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Sorry about responding to this just now but you might have noticed I'm a pretty slow writer. First of all, I think "we'll never get the ring" is just you being melodramatic about it. We'll have chances for it, lots of them even.
Look, a magical system won and if we don't want to make our decision of chosing it subpar we might want to spend arete on it. I'd say we see what it is about, rather than killing the choice before we even get to it just because we're afraid it might ruin (it will just delay) some grand plan. Valor is a choice that makes sense with us getting Surgecraft, but I'm not even that attached to it winning. My issue is with the "let's ruin their fun cause they'll ruin mine" attitude, which I absolutely don't agree with.
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I am very, very pissed that the Uttermost crowd managed to get both of their pet picks in a row. One without even actually voting on it. And I can't have even one thing.
But we didn't even spend anything to get it. Would it be the end of the world if it just became Letrizia's thing?
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- Saving Arete so that we can afford to buy the Ruling Ring ASAP!
- Preparing for a contest of primacy by optimizing our physical body!
- Unlocking higher tier blood enhancements!
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That's sad, I am sad.
At least we got her name though!
[X] Upgrade Letrizia's Magic (from 2 Arete-equivalent to 7-Arete equivalent)
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor
-[X] Zweihander
[X] Check up on Gisena
I can easily be convinced by the Bloodgang to change though.
Man, taking Ceathlynn on as an apprentice would have been awkward.
Basically we can pick element that is better for buffing ourselves rather than firing beamu, which is what we'd prefer given that we have offense cover with Cut Through. We do need a free hand to cast the buff though.
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I am being irrational I know, but this is just getting ridiculous.
Am I just attracted to unpopular decisions or something? We actually have a chance to go for the Ring now. We can't actually afford to delay it forever because we take a major condition every significant fight. Without something to heal that we are going to die.
Am I just attracted to unpopular decisions or something? We actually have a chance to go for the Ring now. We can't actually afford to delay it forever because we take a major condition every significant fight. Without something to heal that we are going to die.
Unfortunately Rihaku is very good at writing blurbs and the thread is very bad at long-term planning. This is going to end with us charging a 7 arete option if we can actually make use of it.