A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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- Location
- Italy
[X] Upgrade Letrizia's Magic (from 2 Arete-equivalent to 7-Arete equivalent)
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor
-[X] Zweihander
[X] Check up on Letrizia
I just want to see what the Surgecrafting options are before deciding how much it's worth it to spend Arete on them and I think that upgrading Letrizia's magic and getting Valor is the most that we can gain from this vote. Honestly it feels kind of a waste to spend a 5 Arete upgrade just to acquire one stack of Fierce Quickening or Vigor Itself...
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor
-[X] Zweihander
[X] Check up on Letrizia
I just want to see what the Surgecrafting options are before deciding how much it's worth it to spend Arete on them and I think that upgrading Letrizia's magic and getting Valor is the most that we can gain from this vote. Honestly it feels kind of a waste to spend a 5 Arete upgrade just to acquire one stack of Fierce Quickening or Vigor Itself...
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- Omniverse #1345
A 5 arete upgrade to someone who cannot use magic until we enable it. Which we can't right now.
[X] +1 pick below
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] Fierce Quickening x2
[X] Feat: Prime
[X] Check up on Gisena
0.4 Rank for two picks is amazing fucking value yo.
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] Fierce Quickening x2
[X] Feat: Prime
[X] Check up on Gisena
0.4 Rank for two picks is amazing fucking value yo.
Overwhelming means that their Rank can't give them more than 1 Rank advantage over us. So if we fight Rank 7.5 enemy, they will be Rank 6.3 for purpose of fighting us.
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Yeah, okay. It'll probably be easier to sell people on Vigor anyway if we see the shiny that gets unlocked by maximally Fierce Quickening. Especially if the two branches come together eventually. Also, almost +0.4(!) Rank if our Uttermost bonus hasn't already applied here.
[X] +1 pick below
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] Fierce Quickening x2
[X] Feat: Prime
[X] Check up on Gisena
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- Simping for DSB
It's not just one stack! Once we've bought 3 total Fierce Quickening and 3 total Vigor itself we will have maxed out the short-term bonus from the Ring of Blood. Maybe we'll unlock stronger Blood Enhancements!
Hmm, since Surgecraft won, I guess I won't be so quick to spend Arete. Not sure it will be worth a significant investment, but you never know until you see the options. So then it's either Plan Bloodbath (all in on blood enhancements), Plan Bloodrank (Prime+blood enhancement) or Plan Hands. Two arms are apparently all the rage among those Surgecrafting folk, so it would likely widen the range of optimal Surge options.
Really don't want to miss out on Rank or Hands... but I'll bet on the possibility that taking all the physical blood enhancements available to us at the moment and thus unlocking new ones plus getting Surgecraft at the same time will unlock some kind of rad Conjunctional Surgecraft option.
Might change to Prime+Blood later, because Rank.
[X] +1 pick below
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] Fierce Quickening x2
[X] Vigor Itself
[X] Vigor Itself x2
[X] Check up on Gisena
Really don't want to miss out on Rank or Hands... but I'll bet on the possibility that taking all the physical blood enhancements available to us at the moment and thus unlocking new ones plus getting Surgecraft at the same time will unlock some kind of rad Conjunctional Surgecraft option.
Might change to Prime+Blood later, because Rank.
[X] +1 pick below
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] Fierce Quickening x2
[X] Vigor Itself
[X] Vigor Itself x2
[X] Check up on Gisena
- Location
- NY
[X] Upgrade Letrizia's Magic (from 2 Arete-equivalent to 7-Arete equivalent)
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor
-[X] Zweihander
[X] Check up on Gisena
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor
-[X] Zweihander
[X] Check up on Gisena
I will note that with Surgecraft winning, the difference between 7 Arete option and 2 Arete option for Letrizia is huge. We might not be able to unlock it for her right now, but we are going for the Ruling Ring anyway, so that unlock shouldn't be too far in the future.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Unless we spend arete again. In which case it's going to take ages. Again.
It sounds to me like Surge is just... really incompatible with our build, regardless of if we get the second arm or not we're going to need to split out focus to use it at best.
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Basically we need to get Valor now.
[X] Upgrade Letrizia's Magic (from 2 Arete-equivalent to 7-Arete equivalent)
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor
-[X] Zweihander
[X] Check up on Gisena
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- Simping for DSB
Solidarity for the SAVE gang. I've gotta get to work but I'll promise to switch to your Bloodrank Plan tomorrow if it is more viable than my Bloodbath Plan.
(I'm not sure Vigor Itself is as bad as you say, because now that we have this big victory we need CHA to capitalize on the goodwill.)
((However I reserve the right to go with Ruinous Valor if there's a risk of KSA winning))
We generate what, 2 Arete per update normally? So if we pick up 7 Arete Surgecraft now, it's about three days/updates of Arete spent. It's quite noticeable, but I wouldn't call it "ages".
Also, Ruling Ring might not be the only option to unlock it - just generally increasing our rank and/or augmenting Dominion: Blood should work out as well.
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- Omniverse #1345
Only if we want to actually use a Surge instead of declaring it a lost cause and not getting an arm to let us sink the people trying to sink Arete into it.
I don't think it is bad. I just think rank is better in this case, as we just got through a fight where we were significantly outranked.
Ages because once we get back to the temple herding people is going to become impossible. It's already incredibly taxing.
No, we're going to go buy every shiny "spend arete here" option we see. if discipline breaks. I almost did it! Which is just so... stupid when we're relatively close to Ruling Ring.
If we get up to 7 arete that's a mere 11 arete from Ruling Ring!
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- Italy
Still a very good option, unless we're unwilling of thinking long-term here.
We can get them some other time though, and sure we'll probably have more palatable options distracting us from doing that immediately but same goes for Valor! And we really need both hands back to be able to use Surgecraft effectively, and Rihau's logic is sound when he says that spending Arete on Surgecraft (if it's worth it) will set us back from getting Ruling Ring so Valor is really the best way to regenerate our arm right now.
Edit: And really, guys? You're seriously talking about undermining Surge before even seeing what its options are about? If you need to get people voting for your options, I'd appreciate it if you tried to build your arguments on why voting for them would be a good idea rather than trying to ruin the fun of the people who disagree with you.
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Going full one picks instead of squeezing in Rank doesn't seem like the best idea to me. Rank is relatively rare, blood one picks are very common.
Or just not have Surgecrafting be a big thing for Hunger.
Or just not have Surgecrafting be a big thing for Hunger.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Only if we can't get her something better. Which we certainly can.
As has been said the last... every time it has been an option, really.
Apparently we can translate extra arm into 7 Arete worth of buffing, that sounds pretty good to me.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
This is accurate.
Thus the best move is to not get Valor and hence have no reason to spend arete on surgecrafting.
Since spending arete on surgecrafting just puts us back from actually getting to the damn ring and not piling on a new condition every fight.
What? I don't know where this is coming from? From what I understood it's more like Surgecrafting is completely useless in combat without the extra arm, it's the ground floor to even play the game. Elements required for relevance come extra.
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- Omniverse #1345
Can I convince you to take quickening + rank?
Valor is going to tempt people into an expensive surge that completely isn't worth how far it will set us back from the Ring.
I'm not trying to ruin your fun. I'm saying your build is horrifically suboptimal and am incredibly annoyed people are already jumping off the plan to burn arete and make it unlikely we ever get the ring.
We managed to pull together to get Cut Through. I will be very, very annoyed at every single person who wanted Uttermost if they decide to take my good faith effort to get Cut Through and then move on to the Ring and spit on it not even a day later.
Gah, why couldn't this have just been a boring 2 pick fight?
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