? Strange, but alright. Thanks.
[X] Transcendent Shonen Murderhobo
[X] The King's Scepter
[X] Accretion
[X] Forebear's Blade
[X] Hunger
[X] Relinquishment
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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[X] Transcendent Shonen Murderhobo
[X] The King's Scepter
[X] Accretion
[X] Forebear's Blade
[X] Hunger
[X] Relinquishment
KidFromPallet
Pokemon Fan
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Intensify almost guarantees death with sword, given that it shuts down the only boost we'd have at the start of the game. And Prolessarch is good, but he's not quite "work together with several peer collaborators using a whole buttload of synergy promised by differing magic systems" good, y'know?
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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It's probably because the entire thing is badly formatted.
[] Transcendent Shonen Murderhobo
[] The King's Scepter
[] Accretion
[] Forebear's Blade
[] Hunger
[] Relinquishment
In this case, you have to vote for the entire thing. Voting for just [X] Transcended Shonen Murderhobo doesn't make your vote count for the rest.
[X] Plan Transcended Shonen Murderhobo
-[X] The King's Scepter
-[X] Accretion
-[X] Forebear's Blade
-[X] Hunger
-[X] Relinquishment
in this case, only voting for [X] Plan Transcended Shonen Murderhobo would make the vote count for rest of the options as well. But it's too late at this point.
[] Transcendent Shonen Murderhobo
[] The King's Scepter
[] Accretion
[] Forebear's Blade
[] Hunger
[] Relinquishment
In this case, you have to vote for the entire thing. Voting for just [X] Transcended Shonen Murderhobo doesn't make your vote count for the rest.
[X] Plan Transcended Shonen Murderhobo
-[X] The King's Scepter
-[X] Accretion
-[X] Forebear's Blade
-[X] Hunger
-[X] Relinquishment
in this case, only voting for [X] Plan Transcended Shonen Murderhobo would make the vote count for rest of the options as well. But it's too late at this point.
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- Location
- USA
[X] Plan Marvelous
-[X] The King's Scepter
-[X] Seven Seals
-[X] Ceathlynn "Catherine" of Amarlt
-[X] Hunger
-[X] Retinue
Is it madness to change almost every aspect of my last vote?
I have been convinced of the value of Hunger, and with my new view I see the synergies of Hunger + Retinue. Taking on Catherine as part of the Retinue we still advance at 375 percent of an normal prog cursebearer.
It might be dumb to take on the black box that is Catherine. But I'm becoming increasingly convinced she's going to be hugely relevant in the first world. From her blurb one positive is that it sounds like Catherine would be the most likely to listen to the Tyrant's requests, she's been bossed around her whole life. What a positive!
Think with Hunger and a maxed Retinue we can still advance at 100% rate, we enjoy life and get to fight with friends. We basically are living a Marvel movie.
I would be open to changing back to Gisena over Catherine for my plan, and if I don't have Catherine then probably Accretion. Gisena's mitigation of Curses especially with Retinue is pretty nice.
-[X] The King's Scepter
-[X] Seven Seals
-[X] Ceathlynn "Catherine" of Amarlt
-[X] Hunger
-[X] Retinue
Is it madness to change almost every aspect of my last vote?
I have been convinced of the value of Hunger, and with my new view I see the synergies of Hunger + Retinue. Taking on Catherine as part of the Retinue we still advance at 375 percent of an normal prog cursebearer.
It might be dumb to take on the black box that is Catherine. But I'm becoming increasingly convinced she's going to be hugely relevant in the first world. From her blurb one positive is that it sounds like Catherine would be the most likely to listen to the Tyrant's requests, she's been bossed around her whole life. What a positive!
Think with Hunger and a maxed Retinue we can still advance at 100% rate, we enjoy life and get to fight with friends. We basically are living a Marvel movie.
I would be open to changing back to Gisena over Catherine for my plan, and if I don't have Catherine then probably Accretion. Gisena's mitigation of Curses especially with Retinue is pretty nice.
Rihaku
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No, it's Sparta.
- Location
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[X] A Simple Transaction
[X] The Sword That Ends the World
[X] Seven Seals
[X] Gisena Allria, the Nullity Sorceress
[X] Forebear's Blade
[X] Retinue
Retinue sounds both useful now(securing Gisena's aid), in the longer run(helping her mitigation improve), and demands a fun build style in the thread. All in all, a better chance of surviving the early game with the Praxis and some fun interactions.
[X] The Sword That Ends the World
[X] Seven Seals
[X] Gisena Allria, the Nullity Sorceress
[X] Forebear's Blade
[X] Retinue
Retinue sounds both useful now(securing Gisena's aid), in the longer run(helping her mitigation improve), and demands a fun build style in the thread. All in all, a better chance of surviving the early game with the Praxis and some fun interactions.
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- Pindorama
Hunger does sound pretty interesting; it's a shame It's near-useless for Sword.
Retinue can still be amazing though. If the average Rihaku setting is any indication, the true path to power is being a motherfucker who snorts unintended synergies for breakfast.
Also, they are both pretty shit at direct combat unless Gisena is fighting a squishy mage.
Retinue can still be amazing though. If the average Rihaku setting is any indication, the true path to power is being a motherfucker who snorts unintended synergies for breakfast.
Taking Intensify immediately cripples us. Just, no. Also we'd need to convince Prolessarch to actually work with us; but hey, he might be curious about the Praxis. Might. It doesn't come with the immediate Curse mitigation, which is super important to early survival. Also, he sucks at fighting. Not being able to die doesn't mean he's able to protect us.
These people are not obliged to obey us, we are just guaranteed to meet them and have compatible personalities. Though again, I suppose we can use knowledge of the Praxis as a carrot to dangle the lich along? It does seem like something he'd be interested in. We'd still have to convince Nullity to spend effort in actually mitigating the Curse though.
Also, they are both pretty shit at direct combat unless Gisena is fighting a squishy mage.
Blorcyn
Canon quaquaversal
- Location
- United Kingdom
[X] The Sword That Ends the World - Access to the Praxis, the fearsome supernal art of the Accursed himself. Only access, no immediate power. Given the obstacles arrayed before you, even if you choose optimally at each juncture, there is a between 1/3rd and 2/3rds chance you will die within the first few fights. Thread participation will not be able to change this, but you are free to take this risk. No one can say I have not repeatedly warned you.
[X] Seven Seals
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Cursebearer, Select 3 Lesser Remittances
Companion:
[X] Gisena Allria, the Nullity Sorceress
Physical **
Social ****
Mental ****
On the brink of her execution by a mighty foe, the Nullity Sorceress employed a novel and highly risky application of her powers to tear a hole between realms. Nihilistic, cunning, and disarmingly vivacious, she is an exceptionally talented technologist and socialite. Beautiful, and fond of using her charms to tease, manipulate, and frustrate friend & foe alike.
Modestly superhuman strength, speed, constitution, appearance, and quickness of thought. Her Sorcerous Graces allow her to nullify, negate, or weaken a very broad range of supernatural effects, or, in theory, aspects of reality. Well-suited to Curse mitigation. Can continue to advance by attaining Coalescences.
Artifact:
[X] Talon
A long, raking talon of yellowed ivory, stained with blood on its lower side and warm to the touch. Upon slaying an enemy of notable strength, the body can be processed to yield an amount of wealth, resources, or relevant equipment commensurate to the power of the foe. If the bearer is in particular need of food, water, or shelter, slain foes become more likely to provide an appropriate resource. Can break, but can repair itself from a sliver by feeding on a notable foe's blood. Intimidating if worn.
[X] Retinue - You may designate up to five members of your Retinue. Each reduces your rate of Progression by 25% multiplicatively. Each advances in their primary area of specialization with Progression one-fourth the potency of your own. Needless to say this is an outrageous and irreplaceable boon. Retinue companions are easy to add, costly to remove.
Your Retinue companions may with a short ceremony voluntarily pledge loyalty to any member of your retinue or yourself. This axiomatically prevents that character from betraying the one to whom they have so pledged. Breaking a pledge is possible but is always time-consuming, obvious over any distance, extremely onerous and afflicts the forsworn with a particularly ironic flavor of the Apocryphal Curse centered upon themselves. Pledges can be voluntarily released by mutual agreement in a less time-consuming process.
You may pledge loyalty to Retinue companions as well. Pledges may be mutual or not, mutual pledges may be simultaneous or not. You must add a character to the Retinue before pledges (from or to) can be made.
[ ] Relinquishment - For each decade of service as a Cursebearer, gain one week of freedom from your Curses. Your burdens will be transferred to volunteering Cursebearers for that time. You are free to travel even with the Geas but must be back before the week is over. You may improve the term and frequency of Relinquishment by mitigating your Curses more.
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This was a really tough vote, I was tempted to go for Relinquishment over Talon. I think 10 years of increased resource generation ultimately has the cost-benefit over Relinquishment, particularly as I'm not going for accretion. With Accretion it'd be a no brainer, a chance to act at the moments of highest narrative intensity without restriction, however with seals and a progression companion in Gisena who can power nullify, I think there's too much synergy to not take Talon.
The other thing is I note that it says Gisena employed her ability to travel between worlds. This is most likely when Seram met her, or perhaps earlier, when she met the king of hordes. However, it could be further into Seram's timeline, and I wouldn't mind knowing what went on there, from her, if it is.
Furthermore, compared to the other two (I recognise the lich, but not the timeline girl) I think she'll be the most relatable, and the easiest to get into a loyalty oath, and significantly benefit from it, compared to the other two (one who cares not for temporal power, and one who lacks little magic to progression power through).
[X] Seven Seals
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Cursebearer, Select 3 Lesser Remittances
Companion:
[X] Gisena Allria, the Nullity Sorceress
Physical **
Social ****
Mental ****
On the brink of her execution by a mighty foe, the Nullity Sorceress employed a novel and highly risky application of her powers to tear a hole between realms. Nihilistic, cunning, and disarmingly vivacious, she is an exceptionally talented technologist and socialite. Beautiful, and fond of using her charms to tease, manipulate, and frustrate friend & foe alike.
Modestly superhuman strength, speed, constitution, appearance, and quickness of thought. Her Sorcerous Graces allow her to nullify, negate, or weaken a very broad range of supernatural effects, or, in theory, aspects of reality. Well-suited to Curse mitigation. Can continue to advance by attaining Coalescences.
Artifact:
[X] Talon
A long, raking talon of yellowed ivory, stained with blood on its lower side and warm to the touch. Upon slaying an enemy of notable strength, the body can be processed to yield an amount of wealth, resources, or relevant equipment commensurate to the power of the foe. If the bearer is in particular need of food, water, or shelter, slain foes become more likely to provide an appropriate resource. Can break, but can repair itself from a sliver by feeding on a notable foe's blood. Intimidating if worn.
[X] Retinue - You may designate up to five members of your Retinue. Each reduces your rate of Progression by 25% multiplicatively. Each advances in their primary area of specialization with Progression one-fourth the potency of your own. Needless to say this is an outrageous and irreplaceable boon. Retinue companions are easy to add, costly to remove.
Your Retinue companions may with a short ceremony voluntarily pledge loyalty to any member of your retinue or yourself. This axiomatically prevents that character from betraying the one to whom they have so pledged. Breaking a pledge is possible but is always time-consuming, obvious over any distance, extremely onerous and afflicts the forsworn with a particularly ironic flavor of the Apocryphal Curse centered upon themselves. Pledges can be voluntarily released by mutual agreement in a less time-consuming process.
You may pledge loyalty to Retinue companions as well. Pledges may be mutual or not, mutual pledges may be simultaneous or not. You must add a character to the Retinue before pledges (from or to) can be made.
[ ] Relinquishment - For each decade of service as a Cursebearer, gain one week of freedom from your Curses. Your burdens will be transferred to volunteering Cursebearers for that time. You are free to travel even with the Geas but must be back before the week is over. You may improve the term and frequency of Relinquishment by mitigating your Curses more.
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This was a really tough vote, I was tempted to go for Relinquishment over Talon. I think 10 years of increased resource generation ultimately has the cost-benefit over Relinquishment, particularly as I'm not going for accretion. With Accretion it'd be a no brainer, a chance to act at the moments of highest narrative intensity without restriction, however with seals and a progression companion in Gisena who can power nullify, I think there's too much synergy to not take Talon.
The other thing is I note that it says Gisena employed her ability to travel between worlds. This is most likely when Seram met her, or perhaps earlier, when she met the king of hordes. However, it could be further into Seram's timeline, and I wouldn't mind knowing what went on there, from her, if it is.
Furthermore, compared to the other two (I recognise the lich, but not the timeline girl) I think she'll be the most relatable, and the easiest to get into a loyalty oath, and significantly benefit from it, compared to the other two (one who cares not for temporal power, and one who lacks little magic to progression power through).
So, judging by the info we got so far, can we surmise that this is a high-tech world? Guns, super-soldiers, mechas, dangerous space-time experiments... universal registration? Except that we don't acknowledge rules and laws, so I guess we become a fugitive from the get-go.
Perils of editing the plan name in after the fact. Went back and inserted the hyphens, which should fix it.
That's probably the power of Progression in the long run. Compatible with basically everything, they pick up magic systems the way other people do knickknacks, and then ride the synergies to ultimate power.
This Gisena's from an alternate universe where she had the presence of mind to try to assassinate the King of Hordes with her Final Grace/didn't go with the infiltration plan. He tried to execute her, she ripped a hole in reality and escaped. No news of Seram, unfortunately.
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- USA
I don't think with the Sword build you start with much ability to use your native system, the Hero is essentially burned out. There are some Scepter choices that will presumably restore his ability, but with Sword I don't think you can count on the Seals early.
My proposed build for Sword would try and use the lich's magicial intelligence and intensify to fast track getting the Praxis to a level that it can contend. Hopefully it limits the conflips needed to survive so that the build is closer to the 33% survival rate. I think the retinue which is a way to add potential to companions so that they are better long term does the exact opposite.
Alternatively a better survival build for Sword might be Gisana, Talon, Intensify.
If you vote Sword at this point you need to perish all thought of long term options. The current proposed plans makes me hope very much that Sword loses else we all lose with it.
- Location
- Pindorama
We are not voting Retinue for long term options, we are voting so we have something to offer Gisena rather than relying on the goodness of her heart.
With our magic system, we are the equivalent of a common soldier in our original realm. Without it, we are a cripple. (One eye, one hand, one lung). The Seals version of Forebear's is the only one that immediately improves our magic system, and our survivability with it.
Talon is useless if we can't kill anything. As long as we a a subordinate, we can mitigate Tyranny.
I'm considering flip-flopping. What do you think of King's Scepter/Seven Seals/Ceathlynn/Forebear's Blade/Retinue?
Rihaku
The Internet
You should talk with Conjured Blade!
It was something that I thought as well, but there's a basic question that must be answered.
Does Praxis and Prolessarch's magical theory work together?
Because if the former is considered as esoteric as Accretion, then we are downright screwed.
KidFromPallet
Pokemon Fan
- Location
- Pallet Town
No, while the Hero is immensely weakened from his exertions against the Tyrant, he still has power equivalent to a generic soldier, someone who's presumably trained in the style for a couple years. That plus Forebearer's Blade strengthening Seven Seals with the power of a lesser remittance are pretty important for survival in the short term.
We need at least that level of strength to survive enough to unlock the Praxis, because the Apocraphyal Curse gives no shits if your uber-magic has come online or not.
Because, like, learning the fundamentals of the greatest magic system in the omniverse will take time. Maybe a week to get the barest dredges useable, maybe a month. Possibly even longer than that. And that's a lot of time for the Apocraphyal Curse to kick in and send something at him, and with Intensify removing the Hero's native magic he's literally just a cripple.
Like, your proposal of abandon literally every source of power but the Praxis is significantly riskier than the current proposal, which takes two relatively short term options (Gisena and Forbearer's Blade) and one long term option (Retinue)
Well, Liches have the (self-)sacrifice part down pat at least. I'd be more worried about whether anyone but the Cursebearers specifically granted access to Praxis is capable of learning it. It's such a super-cool magic system, but it was created by the Accursed as a tool for his own purposes. As his Cursebearers we probably pass the requirements automatically, but others might not be so lucky.
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- USA
It's a good plan that makes me wish we had another Remittance to get Blade and Hunger.
My fear is that people who don't want Retinue are worried that a full Retinue basically neuters us as a Progression Cursebearer. Why take 5 Curses to become one and then turn the benefit from it down a 4th. The beauty of Hunger is that it let's us keep that speed while still empowering others.
The synergy of being able to use the blade to unlock Catherine's soul invocation is very tempting, but I'm hoping that there's going to eventually be another way to do that.
What sucks about my plan is that the only Curse mitigation is through Seven Seals. Gisena might be the way to go since she can mitigate Curses and travel through worlds.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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I think Acceretion works far better with an Praxis build. With seven seals you would be working to grind two different sorts of power while being a cripple incapable of defeating a serious enemy!
Acceretion would allow you to focus on the Praxis and i think it would also work pretty well for someone like Catherine who relies on outside equipment to be relevant, it is something made for those who are going to become Heroes and legends one day!
Acceretion would allow you to focus on the Praxis and i think it would also work pretty well for someone like Catherine who relies on outside equipment to be relevant, it is something made for those who are going to become Heroes and legends one day!
Huh. Thanks, it's appreciated.
[x]Plan Palpatine V2
-[x]King's Scepter
-[x]Seven Seals
-[x]Hunger
-[x]Forbear's Blade
-[x]Ceathlynn "Catherine" of Amarlt
Hey @Conjured Blade I really like the choice of Hunger here. Gives that little bit of extra incentive to go out and get levels rather than hide in a cave pretending to be Vegeta.
- Location
- Pindorama
Again, the biggest risk of Sword is the first five fights. Taking the option that boosts the power you already have, the strongest companion combat-wise and a way for her to work with us seems like the most sensible thing for me. Any other Lesser Remittance is too long term.
After we survive the dangerous period, we'd be much more privileged as to where we spend our efforts. If we abandon Seals forever, that's fine.
I mean, he'd help the Hero with Seven Seals, despite not being able to use it. I think something similar would happen with the Praxis.
All magic votes have the same starting power; Seal's forebear is the only one that upgrades the initial magic immediately.
After we survive the dangerous period, we'd be much more privileged as to where we spend our efforts. If we abandon Seals forever, that's fine.
Gisena's better at defending us early in the game, so Sword builds should probably take her with Retinue and Accretion. The hero's preexisting armor helps with defense and allows training to focus on the Praxis. We might also be able to help her gain Coalescences faster by creating findross through Accretion. Findross' defining feature is that it makes things as they should be and Accretion's similar process.
Speaking of Prolessarch, did he make his phylactery the stories told about him? What an absolute madman. Talk about only dying when your name's last spoken...