Rihaku
The Internet
Should you survive, you'll have many! Sometimes multiple at once!
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Should you survive, you'll have many! Sometimes multiple at once!
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Periodically, Yes.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Wow no wonder the Apocryphal curse is worth two regular curses if it spontaneously generates nemeses. We should probably mitigate it first.
Rihaku
The Internet
It does a lot more than that!
If he's going for a flavor of mitigation + utility, the core of the build would be Talon + Seals and Gisena + Retinue, so Intensify would most likely be the one on the chopping block!
- Location
- Pindorama
Come on people, don't you want to be a mini-Accursed and give people the power of Progression in return for helping us? Especially if we have the Sword! How fitting would be that?
Retinue with Sword is not only good because it lets us offer something to any companions we get so they follow us; it also gives us something to offer to the people of the world we go to. And since we retain a majority of the progression factor and get even more exponential progress thanks to the Praxis, the chance of betrayal is low, especially if we demand the loyalty ceremony as a requirement for joining.
Retinue with Sword is not only good because it lets us offer something to any companions we get so they follow us; it also gives us something to offer to the people of the world we go to. And since we retain a majority of the progression factor and get even more exponential progress thanks to the Praxis, the chance of betrayal is low, especially if we demand the loyalty ceremony as a requirement for joining.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
If we take Intensify with Orm's build as opposed to the safer Relinquish, it would be advised to constantly powerfight and 'proc' Apocryphal as much and as early as possible so it doesn't compound on itself and generate an
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
I'd like to remind people of the arbitrary shenanigans we may be missing out on with intensify+seven seals+scepter.
If it works anything like Homestuck Punchcard Alchemy, we can combine a statue of a wizard with knitting needles to make functional magical foci. Or Sunglasses and a Smartphone to make Computer glasses that make Google Glass Jealous.
Think about what we can do with Rihakuverse level materials. There's something to be said for Talon+Seals builds.
Edit: Also Doom of the Tyrant Insurance.
If it works anything like Homestuck Punchcard Alchemy, we can combine a statue of a wizard with knitting needles to make functional magical foci. Or Sunglasses and a Smartphone to make Computer glasses that make Google Glass Jealous.
Think about what we can do with Rihakuverse level materials. There's something to be said for Talon+Seals builds.
Edit: Also Doom of the Tyrant Insurance.
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Rihaku
The Internet
You can't, pledges only work after you add them and removing them is costly. You could try to enforce it after the fact, but the pledge itself must be voluntary so coercion wouldn't work well.
KidFromPallet
Pokemon Fan
- Location
- Pallet Town
I heard that the cool kids are naming their plans now, so let me throw my hat in the ring:
[X] Plan: Praxis + Max Seals + Vacation Days
-[X] The Sword That Ends the World
-[X] Seven Seals
-[X] Gisena Allria, the Nullity Sorceress
-[X] Forebear's Blade
-[X] Relinquishment
Praxis for that sweet, sweet lore. Already covered.
Seals because the utility, multipliers, and mitigation it offers appears more valuable than Accreion's conceptual biggatons. We're a Progression-type Cyrsebearer wielding the Praxis, that's literally all the conceptual weight necessary for almost anything, in time.
Gisena for a social minion and Curse mitigation right out the gate, two very useful things.
Forebearer's Blade to give us a boost to our Seals right off the bat, as well as boosting their Curse Mitigation down the line. I feel that Forebearer's Blade, combined with unhampered growth of Seals, will provide more mitigation opportunities than a boosted Gisena + crippled Seals.
Relinquishment because it's the most hax option on offer here, second only to the Accursed's favor. Seriously, the option to throw off Tyrant's Doom if we really need to negotiate or the Apocraphyal curse if we need a bit of downtime or any of our other Curses for any reason is amazing. Plus, the fact that our time off goes up and recharge time goes down with every mitigation we use, combined with our Curse of Decimation which is easier to mitigate in the short term and the mitigation offered by Seals + Gisene, means we might be seeing something more like two weeks off every nine years or something with a bit of effort. Just an amazingly powerful pick that would let us act without being hamstrung by Curses when we really need to.
[X] Plan: Praxis + Max Seals + Vacation Days
-[X] The Sword That Ends the World
-[X] Seven Seals
-[X] Gisena Allria, the Nullity Sorceress
-[X] Forebear's Blade
-[X] Relinquishment
Praxis for that sweet, sweet lore. Already covered.
Seals because the utility, multipliers, and mitigation it offers appears more valuable than Accreion's conceptual biggatons. We're a Progression-type Cyrsebearer wielding the Praxis, that's literally all the conceptual weight necessary for almost anything, in time.
Gisena for a social minion and Curse mitigation right out the gate, two very useful things.
Forebearer's Blade to give us a boost to our Seals right off the bat, as well as boosting their Curse Mitigation down the line. I feel that Forebearer's Blade, combined with unhampered growth of Seals, will provide more mitigation opportunities than a boosted Gisena + crippled Seals.
Relinquishment because it's the most hax option on offer here, second only to the Accursed's favor. Seriously, the option to throw off Tyrant's Doom if we really need to negotiate or the Apocraphyal curse if we need a bit of downtime or any of our other Curses for any reason is amazing. Plus, the fact that our time off goes up and recharge time goes down with every mitigation we use, combined with our Curse of Decimation which is easier to mitigate in the short term and the mitigation offered by Seals + Gisene, means we might be seeing something more like two weeks off every nine years or something with a bit of effort. Just an amazingly powerful pick that would let us act without being hamstrung by Curses when we really need to.
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Shame we can't snag Taishan, surely shared knowledge of the elven menace would overcome the Tyrant's Doom and the animosity between a Cultivator and Diagram Lich.
Talon's the obvious next pick for TSM, but dropping the Forebear's Blade discards a narrative link to his last world and while Relinquishment does nothing for us initially, in the long run it's way more relevant. The build has no other mitigation to start with. If we somehow scrape together another Remittance before the vote closes, yeah, otherwise sticking with this for now.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Alright. If we're gonna do the edgelord thing, let's at least actually finally get the Praxis out of it, instead of just repeating this insanity the next time it gets offered in a Rihakuquest.
[X] Plan Vengeance Can Be Praxis
-[X] The Sword That Ends the World
-[X] Seven Seals
-[X] Gisena Allria, the Nullity Sorceress
-[X] Forebear's Blade
-[X] Retinue
Sword That Ends The World is the whole point of this build.
Seals provide more reliable defenses and powers in the very immediate short term, and are more suited to mitigating Curses in the medium-short term.
Gisena provides a buddy for safety in numbers, can help mitigate a Curse, and means that we aren't turbofucked on the social front during the critical first few days.
Forebear's blade provides immediate power, meager as it might be compared to the threats we face, with the attendant bonus to survival. Also we better slap a bandaid on the Apocyphal Curse ASAP.
Retinue gives us a bribe to help attain Gisena's service, as well as making sure that our immediate purchase of a Companion remains a useful investment in the mid-term. It also means we can have actual loyal companions, which will obviously improve survival chances.
Relinquishment really is fantastic, but if we're going to be grabbing the Sword, I don't think we can afford to grab an option that will only provide benefits years from now.
[X] Plan Vengeance Can Be Praxis
-[X] The Sword That Ends the World
-[X] Seven Seals
-[X] Gisena Allria, the Nullity Sorceress
-[X] Forebear's Blade
-[X] Retinue
Sword That Ends The World is the whole point of this build.
Seals provide more reliable defenses and powers in the very immediate short term, and are more suited to mitigating Curses in the medium-short term.
Gisena provides a buddy for safety in numbers, can help mitigate a Curse, and means that we aren't turbofucked on the social front during the critical first few days.
Forebear's blade provides immediate power, meager as it might be compared to the threats we face, with the attendant bonus to survival. Also we better slap a bandaid on the Apocyphal Curse ASAP.
Retinue gives us a bribe to help attain Gisena's service, as well as making sure that our immediate purchase of a Companion remains a useful investment in the mid-term. It also means we can have actual loyal companions, which will obviously improve survival chances.
Relinquishment really is fantastic, but if we're going to be grabbing the Sword, I don't think we can afford to grab an option that will only provide benefits years from now.
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
A little over half the thread. Dread&Dreaming along with Balance voters would have been left hanging.
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
- Location
- Chicago, IL
- Pronouns
- Any/All
Rihaku, given that we have the Decimator's Affliction, do we have a sense for the amount of life-force in our target area (even if only on the level of 'sufficient/insufficient'), or is it hidden barring another ability?
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
Well, it appears Vendetta won. Oh well, at least I have one final chance to vote against VSword.
[x]The King's Scepter
[x]Seven Seals
[x]Gisena Allria, the Nullity Sorceress
[x]Forebear's Blade
[x]Retinue
This plan seems nice, curse mitigation is great, especially with Decimator since I don't like playing the kind of guy that would sacrifice others for power. I'm down for any King's Scepter plans though.
[x]The King's Scepter
[x]Seven Seals
[x]Gisena Allria, the Nullity Sorceress
[x]Forebear's Blade
[x]Retinue
This plan seems nice, curse mitigation is great, especially with Decimator since I don't like playing the kind of guy that would sacrifice others for power. I'm down for any King's Scepter plans though.
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DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- They
[] The King's Scepter
[] Accretion
[] Forebear's Blade
[] Gisena Allria, the Nullity Sorceress
[] Relinquishment
Edit:
[X] Transcendent Shonen Murderhobo
[X] The King's Scepter
[X] Accretion
[X] Forebear's Blade
[X] Hunger
[X] Relinquishment
[] Accretion
[] Forebear's Blade
[] Gisena Allria, the Nullity Sorceress
[] Relinquishment
Edit:
[X] Transcendent Shonen Murderhobo
[X] The King's Scepter
[X] Accretion
[X] Forebear's Blade
[X] Hunger
[X] Relinquishment
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- Location
- Pindorama
The problem with Relinquishment with Sword is that it will be very useful in ten years, but ten years later is far past the risk zone for Sword. The most crucial period is now. We can't afford to take thing that take ten years to pay off.
@Redshirt Army my plan which is identical to yours already has a voter, cheesy name notwithstanding; It would be on our interest to consolidate.
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Rihaku
The Internet
Current vote count?
Hm, while Retinue pledges do prevent betrayal, they don't force your Retinue to listen to your commands necessarily. They can still refuse orders and do nothing under most circumstances (standing by while you're being assassinated would probably not be allowed, but refusing to go on a given mission is usually fine). Of course, it's nice having people you trust to watch your back. Or people you don't trust, whose possibility of betrayal has been removed by the Accursed.
Indeed.
You'll start feeling the drain yourself if the life force is insufficient. So it's a binary thing.
I see a lot of Forebear's Blades being spelled Forbear, is that an autocorrect thing?
Hm, while Retinue pledges do prevent betrayal, they don't force your Retinue to listen to your commands necessarily. They can still refuse orders and do nothing under most circumstances (standing by while you're being assassinated would probably not be allowed, but refusing to go on a given mission is usually fine). Of course, it's nice having people you trust to watch your back. Or people you don't trust, whose possibility of betrayal has been removed by the Accursed.
Indeed.
You'll start feeling the drain yourself if the life force is insufficient. So it's a binary thing.
I see a lot of Forebear's Blades being spelled Forbear, is that an autocorrect thing?
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
I realized something. Seven Seals+Forbears Blade may not actually be useful for Curse Mitigation without Kings' Scepter.
Basis:
If Skilled Archmage is the minimum threshold for Curse Mitigation, and we are barely above an average soldier in terms of what we can do with Seven Seals, then Seven Seals+Forbears Blade won't actually get us any curse mitigation(edit: from the getgo at least) without Kings' Scepter restoring us to our full glory. Time spent training Seven Seals costs you Praxis training time. From a curse mitigation standpoint, forbear's blade+seven seals is a terrible idea with Sword if my suspicions are right.
Edit: @Rihaku Adding a tally momentarily
Basis:
If Skilled Archmage is the minimum threshold for Curse Mitigation, and we are barely above an average soldier in terms of what we can do with Seven Seals, then Seven Seals+Forbears Blade won't actually get us any curse mitigation(edit: from the getgo at least) without Kings' Scepter restoring us to our full glory. Time spent training Seven Seals costs you Praxis training time. From a curse mitigation standpoint, forbear's blade+seven seals is a terrible idea with Sword if my suspicions are right.
Edit: @Rihaku Adding a tally momentarily
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- Location
- Pindorama
C'mon Rihaku, Gisena is being offered because she is compatible with us, and she's far from heartless.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
The main weakness.. is the existence of another, nearly identical plan. (Orm's)
Rihaku
The Internet
What's that got to do with anything?