A Simple Transaction I
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OctarineShrike
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Alright. Not quite as much metaphorical bacon as I expected but I didn't make an utter disgrace of myself. Nice! I correctly called Synthesis getting us picks albeit we need to use the new Adories Blood exploit to take them or presumably get lucky on the Amplification and Distillation option. It looks like the Myth as Edeldross thesis has been probably debunked with the mention of Mythos as a distinct proper noun but my thesis was good enough or close enough to the truth that there are echoes in the other tactics from it being split up and Hunger's intelligence adjusting things. Well Sorcery... not bad but I was expecting Research(As Above upgrading Supreme Enclosure or Nightmare Flight or Deathly Star is nice though. What would Upgraded Nightmare Flight look like? Could it be used for Voyaging Realm Extraction?). Got a monkeywrench thrown in the expectation of Synthesis giving us research/utility signs until I can figure out the common theme
I even hypothesized the existence of a Create Findross Rune or Grace, though I think I need to credit @Unelemental for suggesting usage of Findross as a substitute(A Simple Transaction I Original): A Simple Transaction I Original
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I also suggested the chipping off parts of the walls of myth in some form previously as a Plan D(A Simple Transaction I Original).
And then we've got the other chunk of my tactics, exploiting Adories Blood. That's been moved to Blood Sorcery. Not the exploit I had in mind but since my pushing the value of her blood in my tacticsmongering unlocked it I'll take it.
Feeling of Vindication: 6.5 or 7 out of 10
[x]Procrustean Valor
[x]As Above
[x]Daylian Erranthus
[x]Blood Sorcery
Using Aobaru to fortify and work the Edeldross for smelting with mundane platinum as I planned has been moved to the mundane platinum itself. I did suggest crushing the edeldross(which has been replaced with mythos) into the platinum using Astral Rank.
I even hypothesized the existence of a Create Findross Rune or Grace, though I think I need to credit @Unelemental for suggesting usage of Findross as a substitute(A Simple Transaction I Original): A Simple Transaction I Original
A Simple Transaction I Original
Thank you, I was not aware of that but unfortunately I am in no position to speculate. Some of this I can address. Assuming you weren't aware of this angle, protecting Edeldross against Existential Diminishment is banking on the special properties of Adorie's Blood protecting the Edeldross...
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I also suggested the chipping off parts of the walls of myth in some form previously as a Plan D(A Simple Transaction I Original).
And then we've got the other chunk of my tactics, exploiting Adories Blood. That's been moved to Blood Sorcery. Not the exploit I had in mind but since my pushing the value of her blood in my tacticsmongering unlocked it I'll take it.
Feeling of Vindication: 6.5 or 7 out of 10
[x]Procrustean Valor
[x]As Above
[x]Daylian Erranthus
[x]Blood Sorcery
Somewhat obvious, but if we do save As Above proc here, we do have pretty powerful way to respond to looming Apo proc. If the challenge is anything that requires actual thought we just use As Above boosted Enclosure to greatly increase our ability to summon solution to pretty much anything, dealing with uncommon vectors. While this might not casually solve the issue, I'm sure it will help. On the other, if the challenge is power related you just plug Deathly Star in the As Above and let it rip.
Also, As Above does counter anti-Rank build, now that I think about it. We'd still be using Deathly Beamu with Rank 10 regardless of our Rank. So it even works against that vector of attack.
It does have not-insignificant cast time, however. Still, we don't really spam our Signs much so we can prep and then use whatever we feel is needed at the moment.
Also, As Above does counter anti-Rank build, now that I think about it. We'd still be using Deathly Beamu with Rank 10 regardless of our Rank. So it even works against that vector of attack.
It does have not-insignificant cast time, however. Still, we don't really spam our Signs much so we can prep and then use whatever we feel is needed at the moment.
Rihaku
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You guys were at over 40 as of the last Arete count, but can that really be considered close to 50... ?
Let alone 62 in as little as 1 day, potentially!
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Keep in mind As Above does have a year long cool down. We haven't reached a year through the entirety of the game so far, so that is definitely not a small matter. Although, does time in the realm of the evening count as time for the cool down, or is it only real world time? That would essentially half the cd in real world time if it works like I imagine it would. I want blood sorcery so bad but we will likely be spending 62 arete. It hurts my soul to even think about, I'm casting my vote to no haelial. I am also extremely interested in the 7 evening mystery box, not necessarily because it's without a doubt the best option, but because I'm going to be extremely curious about what it could be until the end of my days and if we ever find out it was stupid strong and we missed out I will be very upset. As above is really tempting to me because of the raw power, the big RANK gain, the orb, and the unlocked 10th sign shiny, but if we're concerned about getting 7 signs 10 signs shouldn't even be on our radar. Noonday is my least favorite. With all that said, my choices are
[X] Wolber Strobe [Committed, 12 Arete]
[X] Fifth Sign: Armor of Midnight [Evening Sky]
[X] Blood Sorcery
[X] Wolber Strobe [Committed, 12 Arete]
[X] Fifth Sign: Armor of Midnight [Evening Sky]
[X] Blood Sorcery
OctarineShrike
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Getting better formatting in my vote so it fits with others in the Tally. Also since Wolber is my best chance of being able to enjoy the Blood Sorcery Picks
[X] Wolber Strobe [Committed, 12 Arete]
[X] Fifth Sign: As Above [Vast Empyrean]
[X] Fifth Sign: Procrustean Valor [Noonday Sky]
[X] Blood Sorcery
[X] Wolber Strobe [Committed, 12 Arete]
[X] Fifth Sign: As Above [Vast Empyrean]
[X] Fifth Sign: Procrustean Valor [Noonday Sky]
[X] Blood Sorcery
OctarineShrike
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The update is either tomorrow or Saturday as Rihaku mentioned in the new voting options so make your decisions accordingly.
As Rihaku just mentioned a couple of posts ago...
As Rihaku just mentioned a couple of posts ago...
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This is, indeed, a fair point.
[X] The Seraph of Heroism, Haeliel [Basic, 50 Arete]
For reasons of personal responsibility I'll vote for Blood only if we achieve enough Arete. I will, regardless, be mining what I can.
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- The Middle of the Howling Wilderness
one thing about Blood Sorcery I haven't seen discussed much is that it lets Hunger " spectacularly augment certain Surgecrafters". Does that apply to Aobaru or Aeira? Or Letrizia? Or Hunger himself? Is Blood Sorcery an Edeldross buff?!?!
Anyway it seems dece.
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I'm kind of indecisive between As Above and Procrustean Valor.
As Above if you use it on Nightmare Flight might solve the Voyaging Realm extraction problem. Procrustean Valor would lead to better performance on our part in the event of say... an Aobaru terminator interrupt assuming Blood Sorcery won.
As Above if you use it on Nightmare Flight might solve the Voyaging Realm extraction problem. Procrustean Valor would lead to better performance on our part in the event of say... an Aobaru terminator interrupt assuming Blood Sorcery won.
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[X] Wolber Strobe [Committed, 12 Arete]
[X] Fifth Sign: Procrustean Valor [Noonday Sky]
[X] Blood Sorcery
I really love all above, but Valor has pretty amazing value and covers our stat deficit along with helping us against a bunch of esoteric threats, and will eventually set up a very potent Once and Future II. Which still isn't quite as good as upgraded signs at rank 10, but the casting time and rank cost have me a little spooked.
Blood sorcery is a no brainer. Besides how much of a buff it is to the ruler of VR territory, it lets her spontaneously raise the rank of loyalists, generate mounds of resources for our people which we can use to get more free signs, and will let us hugely boost the surgecraft of three of our companions which all have a fairly huge amount of utility. Getting a few extra picks isn't bad either.
[X] Fifth Sign: Procrustean Valor [Noonday Sky]
[X] Blood Sorcery
I really love all above, but Valor has pretty amazing value and covers our stat deficit along with helping us against a bunch of esoteric threats, and will eventually set up a very potent Once and Future II. Which still isn't quite as good as upgraded signs at rank 10, but the casting time and rank cost have me a little spooked.
Blood sorcery is a no brainer. Besides how much of a buff it is to the ruler of VR territory, it lets her spontaneously raise the rank of loyalists, generate mounds of resources for our people which we can use to get more free signs, and will let us hugely boost the surgecraft of three of our companions which all have a fairly huge amount of utility. Getting a few extra picks isn't bad either.
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Argument: SAVE Arete with Daylian now so that we can buy both an EFB & DA in the very next update
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Suppose that we have exactly 50 Arete right now. Then we are faced with the choice of buying Haeliel or spending the Arete on the next best alternative. What is Haeliel's opportunity cost?
First, Blood Sorcery gives us 2 picks, for the cost of 12 Arete. This guarantees a solution to the currency crisis, while massively accelerating the rate of future Signs unlocks. It would be pretty amazing to have a blank check whenever we try to negotiate with an Astral Being summoned by the 3rd sign.
Second, the total cost of Fisher King is 5 picks, 24 Arete. We paid 3P/12A after killing the Armament Fish. Killing Augustine left us with 2 picks. We spent one pick on Pillars of Creation, and one pick on ???. If the spare pick went towards Fisher King, then we only need 1P/12A to finalize the purchase.
Third, the use of the Ring of Blood to directly manipulate the bloodline ability of the Ruler for the entire Realm of Myth is an amazing opportunity to unlock something we've been waiting on for ages: Ruling Ring. If we buy it all at once, its current cost is 18 Arete. Buying it here, now, before we enter the Realm of Evening, would be a coup that completely changes the nature of the quest. Alternatively, Elixir cost ~18 Arete when we had a chance to buy it (we also got a feat in that blurb, so the total cost of Elixir is <20).
Taking Blood Sorcery (12A), Fisher King (12A,1P), and Ruling Ring (18A,1P) nets us 10 Accursed Favor, ++Progression, ++All Stats, ++Wisdom, +Int, +Wits, +50% +Rank, High level manipulation of bloodline abilities and Surgecrafters, and arbitrary amounts of wealth for Supreme Enclosure negotiations / Empyrean Sign advancements.
All this leaves us with exactly eight (8) Arete left over. Only one committed companion costs eight or fewer Arete: Daylian Erranthus. If you are worried about being able to afford Haeliel, the correct vote is to take Daylian. If we fall short of the 50 Arete needed for Haeliel, then we are likely to also fall short of the 55 needed for Wolber + Ruling Ring + Fisher King + Blood Sorcery.
Vote Daylian and get ++Progression before we travel to the Realm of Evening.
Vote Daylian and get an EFB and a DA in the very next update!
#415 Words
Suppose that we have exactly 50 Arete right now. Then we are faced with the choice of buying Haeliel or spending the Arete on the next best alternative. What is Haeliel's opportunity cost?
First, Blood Sorcery gives us 2 picks, for the cost of 12 Arete. This guarantees a solution to the currency crisis, while massively accelerating the rate of future Signs unlocks. It would be pretty amazing to have a blank check whenever we try to negotiate with an Astral Being summoned by the 3rd sign.
Second, the total cost of Fisher King is 5 picks, 24 Arete. We paid 3P/12A after killing the Armament Fish. Killing Augustine left us with 2 picks. We spent one pick on Pillars of Creation, and one pick on ???. If the spare pick went towards Fisher King, then we only need 1P/12A to finalize the purchase.
Third, the use of the Ring of Blood to directly manipulate the bloodline ability of the Ruler for the entire Realm of Myth is an amazing opportunity to unlock something we've been waiting on for ages: Ruling Ring. If we buy it all at once, its current cost is 18 Arete. Buying it here, now, before we enter the Realm of Evening, would be a coup that completely changes the nature of the quest. Alternatively, Elixir cost ~18 Arete when we had a chance to buy it (we also got a feat in that blurb, so the total cost of Elixir is <20).
Taking Blood Sorcery (12A), Fisher King (12A,1P), and Ruling Ring (18A,1P) nets us 10 Accursed Favor, ++Progression, ++All Stats, ++Wisdom, +Int, +Wits, +50% +Rank, High level manipulation of bloodline abilities and Surgecrafters, and arbitrary amounts of wealth for Supreme Enclosure negotiations / Empyrean Sign advancements.
All this leaves us with exactly eight (8) Arete left over. Only one committed companion costs eight or fewer Arete: Daylian Erranthus. If you are worried about being able to afford Haeliel, the correct vote is to take Daylian. If we fall short of the 50 Arete needed for Haeliel, then we are likely to also fall short of the 55 needed for Wolber + Ruling Ring + Fisher King + Blood Sorcery.
Vote Daylian and get ++Progression before we travel to the Realm of Evening.
Vote Daylian and get an EFB and a DA in the very next update!
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I'm a fan of moves that are always available, sometimes life is just a grind. Having a new tool you'll be implementing in every encounter of note henceforth is worth a great deal to me. The other path is setup for 'I win' scenarios, I'm just more concerned about the times we get punched in the face.
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If Daylian can get back from a 16 vote deficet from the leading option thats a cool idea.
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As Above looks pretty cool. Anything that upgrades summons is going to be a thing I like, and it gets us closer to Trinity 2.0, which we've already invested in. Armor of Midnight gets us closer to a 7fold Evening Sky bonus, which is good, but the cast time is non-trivial which makes it a little harder to respond to danger with it. Not as interested in Crustacean, although the fact that its forbidden price we can just shrug off since we have ridiculous HP and regen is pretty funny.
Now, Blood Sorcery is impressive, but I don't want to turn against DarkSideBard and the rest of Haeliel Gang after they worked so hard and got us from 24 to over 40 Arete in less then one update cycle. I think they can probably get all the way to 50, but 62 is too much to ask. Lets not wreck ourselves reaching for something literally impossible.
[X] The Seraph of Heroism, Haeliel [Basic, 50 Arete]
[X] Amplification & Distillation
[X] Fifth Sign: As Above [Vast Empyrean]
I can be convinced to go for direct line, but the rank cost is not trivial. Blood Sorcery is really great, but again, I'm not turning against those who are responsible for our massive Arete wave.
Now, Blood Sorcery is impressive, but I don't want to turn against DarkSideBard and the rest of Haeliel Gang after they worked so hard and got us from 24 to over 40 Arete in less then one update cycle. I think they can probably get all the way to 50, but 62 is too much to ask. Lets not wreck ourselves reaching for something literally impossible.
[X] The Seraph of Heroism, Haeliel [Basic, 50 Arete]
[X] Amplification & Distillation
[X] Fifth Sign: As Above [Vast Empyrean]
I can be convinced to go for direct line, but the rank cost is not trivial. Blood Sorcery is really great, but again, I'm not turning against those who are responsible for our massive Arete wave.
[X] The Seraph of Heroism, Haeliel [Basic, 50 Arete]
I'm having trouble deciding between stat-buffing and metamagic. I guess I'll wait a bit and think on it.
I'm having trouble deciding between stat-buffing and metamagic. I guess I'll wait a bit and think on it.
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- The Middle of the Howling Wilderness
If it looks like we can't get to 62 arete by the next update, this seems like the best compromise option.
[X] Daylian Erranthus [Committed, 7 Arete]
[X] Fifth Sign: As Above [Vast Empyrean]
[X] Blood Sorcery [12 Arete]
OctarineShrike
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[X] Daylian Erranthus [Committed, 7 Arete]
[X] Fifth Sign: As Above [Vast Empyrean]
[X] Blood Sorcery [12 Arete]
[X] Fifth Sign: As Above [Vast Empyrean]
[X] Blood Sorcery [12 Arete]