A Simple Transaction I
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Rihaku
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But will Mental Stability be so easy to find?
Zampano
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Subtle and Quick said:
The Provinces said:
Sovereign Jewel said:
Blurb Library Update IV said:
Tripartite Evening said:
Here's a list of every +Mental Stability offered in the threadmarks available through reader mode. Of five available Mental Stability +s, we took the one from Subtle and Quick, we skipped the ones from The Provinces, Roused, Sovereign Jewel, and Tripartite Evening (rip). We don't know the prerequisites to unlock Pathway to Idyll yet afaik
I didn't realize +Mental Stability was such a difficult stat to come by. I can't remember any arguments before now about it being particularly important.
Sorry, just a minor relapse into 🧂
It kinda is - relatively at least, as we can get access to Realm of Evening.
Basically, this update pushed Pillars as my #1 priority right now. Gotta obtain the comfiness.
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I don't know anything about the patreon. Pathway to Idyll is in the preview for Blurb Library IV.
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
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- The Voyaging Realm
Well, we have Empyrean Mantle, which upgrades all Evening Sky EFBs. So Pillars is getting an upgrade, we just need to buy it.
And we just launched 3 EFBs in a single day, Hunger is probably ahead of the curve for a while and we can afford to save for Pillars. Well, I guess Armament Fish may be a concern.
And we just launched 3 EFBs in a single day, Hunger is probably ahead of the curve for a while and we can afford to save for Pillars. Well, I guess Armament Fish may be a concern.
I think we definitely want A-DS to face the Fish but after that Pillars must be the next big purchase i.e. no more than 2 arete on anything else until we have it. That shouldn't be too hard; with a new panoply item there should be plenty of new 0 and 2 arete picks, we have DAs to buy, Honing, Exalted Spirit and Iridescence and A-DS increases the value of STR which increases the value of Echoes.
Opportunity cost of getting high Arete Advancement - such as ADS, for example - is always very high, however.
Additionally, the month is coming to an end, and so we are losing our Arete bonus. As such, only real way to get to Pillars is to SAVE; a difficult proposal, given our general refusal to take a slightest risk, which is made even worse by general greed.
For example, if we just took Sovereignty, we'd be capable of postponing ADS in order to SAVE..
Additionally, the month is coming to an end, and so we are losing our Arete bonus. As such, only real way to get to Pillars is to SAVE; a difficult proposal, given our general refusal to take a slightest risk, which is made even worse by general greed.
For example, if we just took Sovereignty, we'd be capable of postponing ADS in order to SAVE..
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Fish Fighting Thoughts
The Armament Fish probably has a base Rank of 10. Bastion should bring that down to about 0.4 Rank more than Hunger which means he would actually have an advantage in defensive, military and blood casting terms except, being an Armament, it will have a Shroud. Blood casting might have an advantage anyway because +2 is so big. The Shroud should be a target for disruption by Gisena and Cut Through before we attack the beast itself.
The Fish throws around tsunamis. While this might just be a landmass size creature moving my guess is it's within an order of magnitude of Verschlengorge's size and the waves are a weapon system. Expect it to do pressure and shock waves too. Hunger can fly with Edeldross and he should - shockwaves in air hurt but not nearly as much as through water or even land and it's harder to blow him away than to wash him away. No doubt it can fly too so don't think we can stay out of its reach, that said it should have greater advantage over Hunger in the water. For one thing, Hunger doesn't want to cause tsunamis himself and his Rank would have to work extra hard to let him move full speed in a denser medium without doing so.
There is the option getting close then moving full speed without Rank based no-clipping active and letting physics happen. However not only would this do extra collateral but an Armament is likely better protected against nuke equivalents than magic sword cuts.
The Outer Shadow has no hope binding a whole Armament but it might entangle individual weapons and blind sensors. It can let Hunger cling on and stay in close combat.
Hunger should melee. While he has blade projections an interplanetary WMD will outrange him and Cutting is best done with the Forebear's blade itself. Also, if the Ruin of A-DS rips up a plasma blast that doesn't hurt the Fish but if it rips up a fin strike that does. Most ranged systems won't bear on a Hunger zipping around at contact. Finally, there's the chance of cutting his way inside, maybe even reaching the cockpit.
The Armament Fish probably has a base Rank of 10. Bastion should bring that down to about 0.4 Rank more than Hunger which means he would actually have an advantage in defensive, military and blood casting terms except, being an Armament, it will have a Shroud. Blood casting might have an advantage anyway because +2 is so big. The Shroud should be a target for disruption by Gisena and Cut Through before we attack the beast itself.
The Fish throws around tsunamis. While this might just be a landmass size creature moving my guess is it's within an order of magnitude of Verschlengorge's size and the waves are a weapon system. Expect it to do pressure and shock waves too. Hunger can fly with Edeldross and he should - shockwaves in air hurt but not nearly as much as through water or even land and it's harder to blow him away than to wash him away. No doubt it can fly too so don't think we can stay out of its reach, that said it should have greater advantage over Hunger in the water. For one thing, Hunger doesn't want to cause tsunamis himself and his Rank would have to work extra hard to let him move full speed in a denser medium without doing so.
There is the option getting close then moving full speed without Rank based no-clipping active and letting physics happen. However not only would this do extra collateral but an Armament is likely better protected against nuke equivalents than magic sword cuts.
The Outer Shadow has no hope binding a whole Armament but it might entangle individual weapons and blind sensors. It can let Hunger cling on and stay in close combat.
Hunger should melee. While he has blade projections an interplanetary WMD will outrange him and Cutting is best done with the Forebear's blade itself. Also, if the Ruin of A-DS rips up a plasma blast that doesn't hurt the Fish but if it rips up a fin strike that does. Most ranged systems won't bear on a Hunger zipping around at contact. Finally, there's the chance of cutting his way inside, maybe even reaching the cockpit.
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[ ] "Never better." - Though the path he was set on was in many ways even more brutal than Hunger's, the Forebear conducted himself with assiduous resolve, a state of unwavering focus bordering on grace. Given the circumstances to which he was subjected, the Forebear should be seen as an example to be emulated, not a tyrant to be scorned.
*Hunger is mostly unconcerned about Mental Contamination from the Forebear. A bit is fine, and a moderate amount not something to get worked up over. A great deal would be concerning, but much less so than that of someone not so thematically connected to Hunger himself in both purpose and means.
*The Forebear was wise to forbear speaking with the Ur-Mother. Her strength was dialogue; her Divine Speech literally the fundament of worlds. In that situation the best course of action was obviously to remove her ability to communicate with him and translate the conflict to the field of his own strength, the martial arena.
*Unlocks [Once and Future] II, which presages even further Forebear lore! You'll need 25 Arete and 2 picks to acquire it.
*Hunger will improve at unlocking Praxis Advancements. Increased appearance% of rare Advancements.
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Great work! But Letrizia wouldn't fail the bubble tea challenge, she could simply use Sharpbright!
[ ] "Never better." - Though the path he was set on was in many ways even more brutal than Hunger's, the Forebear conducted himself with assiduous resolve, a state of unwavering focus bordering on grace. Given the circumstances to which he was subjected, the Forebear should be seen as an example to be emulated, not a tyrant to be scorned.
*Hunger is mostly unconcerned about Mental Contamination from the Forebear. A bit is fine, and a moderate amount not something to get worked up over. A great deal would be concerning, but much less so than that of someone not so thematically connected to Hunger himself in both purpose and means.
*The Forebear was wise to forbear speaking with the Ur-Mother. Her strength was dialogue; her Divine Speech literally the fundament of worlds. In that situation the best course of action was obviously to remove her ability to communicate with him and translate the conflict to the field of his own strength, the martial arena.
*Unlocks [Once and Future] II, which presages even further Forebear lore! You'll need 25 Arete and 2 picks to acquire it.
*Hunger will improve at unlocking Praxis Advancements. Increased appearance% of rare Advancements.
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Great work! But Letrizia wouldn't fail the bubble tea challenge, she could simply use Sharpbright!
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
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Oh, right, tactics are a thing.
Thoughts on the environment:
Flying is an excellent idea. There's no rule saying that fish can't fly, but at its size I expect it's not graceful in the air even if it has that capability. So it can't bodyslam us when we're in the air, which is the one attack that is sure to OHKO us.
But realizing that we can play keep-away by buzzing in the air, it can submerge in the water to back away from us (It is continent-sized, but everything is big inTexas the Voyaging Realm so the sea should still contain it). And as you said, we'd prefer not to follow it into the water. At our powerlevel, water is basically whatever as an obstacle, but conceptually you shouldn't fight a fish in water. So, we could feign weakness (or expose our actual weakness lol) like we did with the Tiller Wurm to draw it out and then strike. Or use Water-Defeating Stance to destroy quadrillions of gallons of water? Nah, there's just too much of it. Plink at it with bladewinds through the water? The damage would be barely worth mentioning.
We could just... let it chill, on the assumption that we'll benefit from the rest time more than our enemy would. The reason I think this is plausible is because of Artful Thorn's scaling cost. I'm not sure how long it takes to "reset," but a break to regenerate selfstuff would be welcome. The gamble might not pay off, if it regenerates even holistic damage quickly. And we'd have to let the RoQ (+Shadowcord) run out, which it could take advantage of.
If the fish has an advantage in water, then might Hunger have an advantage in blood? I have an image in my head of Hunger causing so many wounds on the Fish that it's swimming through it's own blood, but it can just move so I can't translate the cool picture into tactical advantage.
We could always jump inside the Armament Fish and fight it from the inside! This is a good way to get zapped into oblivion, there's a 0% chance that there aren't countermeasures for this. On that note, preparations-
Pick Letrizia's Brain for Armament weaknesses (I'm assuming we know it's an Armament, right? If not, ask her anyway 'cause it's a kaiju). We have an expert right on hand, it would be a criminal waste not to ask her about how to kill robutts. Verschlengorge too, if there's anything he'd like to add. Questions off the top of my head- what are the higher Rank Armament abilities we haven't seen, what are shrouds like, what would happen if we tried to fight from inside, does a non-piloted Armament have any exploitable soul weaknesses, does she have any idea what Curse it might have. And more generally, since Hunger has never been in a fight at this level, what the experience of High Rank+ combat is like. The OaF lore should help him with that, but still.
Right before we start to teleport out, use Refinement of Quickness so it's active from the start. Have Aeira dump Shadowcord on us as well, as close to the departure as is safe. We should also ask if Adorie or any of her subordinates have any convenient temp buffs on hand, that would be nice.
And since we leveled up so quickly, take at least a minute or two to acclimate to the sudden shift in Rank and- uh.
Ninjaed lmao. 630 words of tactics that came too late.
I don't think this is the case; since it's the size of a continent, it's clearly got all the Might. If it outranked Hunger as well, it would be more than a 3-pick fight. I'd actually bet that Hunger has the Rank advantage here.
Thoughts on the environment:
Flying is an excellent idea. There's no rule saying that fish can't fly, but at its size I expect it's not graceful in the air even if it has that capability. So it can't bodyslam us when we're in the air, which is the one attack that is sure to OHKO us.
But realizing that we can play keep-away by buzzing in the air, it can submerge in the water to back away from us (It is continent-sized, but everything is big in
We could just... let it chill, on the assumption that we'll benefit from the rest time more than our enemy would. The reason I think this is plausible is because of Artful Thorn's scaling cost. I'm not sure how long it takes to "reset," but a break to regenerate selfstuff would be welcome. The gamble might not pay off, if it regenerates even holistic damage quickly. And we'd have to let the RoQ (+Shadowcord) run out, which it could take advantage of.
If the fish has an advantage in water, then might Hunger have an advantage in blood? I have an image in my head of Hunger causing so many wounds on the Fish that it's swimming through it's own blood, but it can just move so I can't translate the cool picture into tactical advantage.
We could always jump inside the Armament Fish and fight it from the inside! This is a good way to get zapped into oblivion, there's a 0% chance that there aren't countermeasures for this. On that note, preparations-
Pick Letrizia's Brain for Armament weaknesses (I'm assuming we know it's an Armament, right? If not, ask her anyway 'cause it's a kaiju). We have an expert right on hand, it would be a criminal waste not to ask her about how to kill robutts. Verschlengorge too, if there's anything he'd like to add. Questions off the top of my head- what are the higher Rank Armament abilities we haven't seen, what are shrouds like, what would happen if we tried to fight from inside, does a non-piloted Armament have any exploitable soul weaknesses, does she have any idea what Curse it might have. And more generally, since Hunger has never been in a fight at this level, what the experience of High Rank+ combat is like. The OaF lore should help him with that, but still.
Right before we start to teleport out, use Refinement of Quickness so it's active from the start. Have Aeira dump Shadowcord on us as well, as close to the departure as is safe. We should also ask if Adorie or any of her subordinates have any convenient temp buffs on hand, that would be nice.
And since we leveled up so quickly, take at least a minute or two to acclimate to the sudden shift in Rank and- uh.
Ninjaed lmao. 630 words of tactics that came too late.
It's a "continental" beast that blows up oceans when it turns over so I think big is very likely. As for the waves being a weapon system, the blurb says the waves were made by the fish turning over and moving its fins. Sometimes I turn over and crush a small dog snuggled next to me. Or I'll accidentally step on a small dog that's decided to take a nap in the middle of the floor. Is just being really huge and crushing people a "weapon system"? I'll let you decide that one.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
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"Mental contamination from the Forebear is okay."
-Mental contamination from the Forebear, 2020
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Page? Page.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
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Paging the pagegang, come in pagegang.
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It's good to have confidence and high self-esteem.
Maybe we should give Contamination from the Forebear a second chance? He seems like a nice mental contamination. Really driven.
Zampano
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Sure, but do you immediately talk in a high pitched voice apologizing to the small dog and trying to make sure they know it was an accident?
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Kids are not up to that level. Their surgecrafting has yet to make overly significant leaps in comparison to what we saw during Rotbeast confrontation... Aobaru picked up a couple of ++s, IIRC, but it is not going to be enough to make that leap.
They got the potential to be there, but not yet. Maybe if we picked Companions EFB Letrz could have been there, given due to having literally Element:Rank?