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[X] "Never better."
[X] Overwhelm
[X] Whiteout [7 Arete]

I like King of Winter. I like it a lot.
 
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While I can understand Just a Moment's appeal I also have to think the thematic of "Fine."

It is seeing a glimpse of the Forebear's life and judge the lessons that arose from them as inapplicable to them.

I don't want a rejection of the Sword. The Sword, like the rest of his panoply, is a part of him. Rejecting a part of himself is rather daunting. We took up the blade, we took up the echo of the Forebear's power. Hunger should not embrace it but accept it as just another part of ourselves but not something to define Hunger around.

These 3 options have more to them than simple mechanical benefits.
 
What is our current arete? Will we get an update out of finding a source of scrying to target the teleport?
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How does the 5 fold Ruin of A-DS interact with the 7 fold Ruin of our current blade attacks?
 
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noliar said:
What is our current arete? Will we get an update out of finding a source of scrying to target the teleport?
edit: ninja'd!

How does the 5 fold Ruin of A-DS interact with the 7 fold Ruin of our current blade attacks?
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Where are you getting 7 fold ruin from out of curiosity? As far as I know our blade attacks have strength-linked power of ruin that's quintupled when used to destroy enemy weapons.
 
[X] "Fine."
Even if Hunger is literally the Forebear reborn there's no reason for him to retread a path already taken.

[X] Overwhelm
[X] Whiteout [7 Arete]

MUST AVOID DYING

More to come later.
 
Conjured Blade said:
@BrainInAJar care to join me on Just a Moment/Pristine or will you veto?
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Hmm. Not gonna lie, the less Blade Advancements of Just a moment make me really dislike it. If I'm called I won't be able argue much for it. I also think Overwhelm is way better than Pinnacle.

Then again, I would be fine with not engaging myself much this vote, I want to catch up on other stuff, so for now:

[X] Conjured Blade
 
I've really been having a difficult week IRL, but the glory unveiled by [King of Winter] is a nice brightspot to come after the salt unleashed by my Tower gambit.

Thanks for the update!
 
BrainInAJar said:
Hmm. Not gonna lie, the less Blade Advancements of Just a moment make me really dislike it. If I'm called I won't be able argue much for it. I also think Overwhelm is way better than Pinnacle.

Then again, I would be fine with not engaging myself much this vote, I want to catch up on other stuff, so for now:

[X] Conjured Blade
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Fair. I'm not particularly bothered. Thank you.
 
Mannan said:
While I can understand Just a Moment's appeal I also have to think the thematic of "Fine."

It is seeing a glimpse of the Forebear's life and judge the lessons that arose from them as inapplicable to them.

I don't want a rejection of the Sword. The Sword, like the rest of his panoply, is a part of him. Rejecting a part of himself is rather daunting. We took up the blade, we took up the echo of the Forebear's power. Hunger should not embrace it but accept it as just another part of ourselves but not something to define Hunger around.

These 3 options have more to them than simple mechanical benefits.
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This is a pretty compelling argument and I may switch later, but for now I am liking the dynamism of a Hunger reevaluating a huge part of himself in an attempt to make more room for others. While it is a rejection of the logic inherent in the blade and a desire to move away from it, it does not seem complete to me because it too acknowledge areas of direct thematic similarity fo Himself. At least that's how I view it. I really just hope never better doesn't win because it feel like doubling down on uttermost in the worst way and I voted and argued against uttermost because I didn't like where it would push Hunger.

The forbear may be cool but he is also a horrifying being, perhaps not so horrifying as those he faces, but he seems at least as inhuman if dedicated to more admirable principles. His sheer tired inflexibility is not something I want to see Hunger accept. The forbear is a weapon and a Cog in a system, one that despite its sapience did not know the specifics behind his purpose and the farther reaching effects of his actions and shows no interest in knowing so worn down is he. Do we really want hunger to take the sword as his solution to every problem, even problems that explicitly cannot be solved by the sword. Because who knows if the forbear could not have come to a better solution if he had other capacities beyond destruction.
 
[X] "Never better."

Maybe I'm still too impressed by the Forebear, but it seems to me that any hesitation during the confrontation with the Ur-Mother would have had terrible consequences. So I don't think those are bad lessons to draw, never mind that the Forebear is an all-around badass. Besides, we already know how to solve the problem of excessive mental contamination from the Inherit the World blurb!

Just get more mental contamination from different sources. See? Easy.

[X] Overwhelm
[X] Whiteout [7 Arete]

Not really sure which Title version to pick, but on the side of overwhelming power for now. We're going to need it...
 
Unelemental said:
Maybe I'm still too impressed by the Forebear, but it seems to me that any hesitation during the confrontation with the Ur-Mother would have had terrible consequences. So I don't think those are bad lessons to draw, never mind that the Forebear is an all-around badass.
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Yeah, there's no way he should have listened to the speaky magic user when he has no serious defense but SORD. Reason to find new countermeasures, of course, but in the moment cut was the right answer.
 
Unelemental said:
Maybe I'm still too impressed by the Forebear, but it seems to me that any hesitation during the confrontation with the Ur-Mother would have had terrible consequences. So I don't think those are bad lessons to draw, never mind that the Forebear is an all-around badass. Besides, we already know how to solve the problem of excessive mental contamination from the Inherit the World blurb!
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Here's the problem with this line of thinking, namely that we are not on the procession or worlds and thus our enemies are not so increasingly horrible that there is not treating with them. Our enemies are not the Ur-Mother so there is no need to treat them as such. While extreme determination badassitude, and superlative skill with the blade are fine lessons, they are not the end all be all.

As I argued at the uttermost choice if we take options that make the sword the most attractive option we will pick it more often and use it more often, even when it is explicitly not the best choice. For example look at how taking the martial path ended up even when we had other less dangerous options that our most recent picks should have made more attractive. We took it and faced the consequences.

Last I would like to read about more than swording hard at things. While Rihaku does write that very evocatively I do prefer a broader spectrum of events. We have just took some steps down the path of actually being able to negotiate with others and have taken an artifact that will give us bonuses to rulership and intelligence. It is cool yes, but so is everything else and while I do appreciate forbear lore I don't want it to dominate Hunger's life.
 
[X] "Fine."
[X] Overwhelm
[X] Whiteout [7 Arete]

A Title unlocked by the purchase of 3 EFBs is going to be much more powerful than an ordinary 7-Arete advancement. Such is only logical, so missing out would suck.

Plus, Whiteout has gigantic synergy with ADS. Elevenfold Power of Ruin is no joke, and besides, it makes Refinement of Battle later even stronger since that's a true 7x multiplier!
 
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[X] "Never better."
[X] Pinnacle
[X] Pristine [7 Arete]

Colors!

Also we'll need the Int and Wis to help against the mental corruption!!
 
The solution to the character implications of Never Better is simple and I mentioned it before. We just stand aside and trust in our allies to succeed where we can't. In other words we need to empower Gisena. She's a lesser remittance after all. There is no reason why we can't help her scale to similar levels as us. RW literally gives her a form of Retinue. Also is it maybe possible to take her as our last panoply slot? That would solve everything.
 
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