I have flashback of Cegorach fight thought,Allow the mage to do their magic will be cost us more.
A Simple Transaction I
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Zampano
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I think Brain's point about the limited duration for Arete multiplier is highly relevant: we do eventually have to fight Ber. What more interesting time to do that than during a confrontation in the throne room with the Lord Protector?
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- Pindorama
Ah, so you want to be handicapped when fighting the Lord Protector so we'd get an easier Decimation, despite the fact you are voting to face him right now, I see.
On a different note, which party member is your favorite? This may or may not be a relevant question, you see.
And finally, we might say that one pick is whatever, but we can't guarantee those picks will be there when we actually need them! Especially given the time-sensitive nature of Decimator Mitigation. And being able to have picks while we don't have the Arete necessary is no good either. So we should pick Once and Future here, now that the confluence of picks and Arete is in fact perfect for it. A-DS not requiring a pick makes getting it much simpler, and so it's perfect to save for emergencies.
The threat doesn't even have to be immediate, the operative word in Long Voyage is long. Regardless of any exclusive information that may or may not exist, the many and varied warnings we've gotten about ignoring the Human Sphere include this gem:
I could scrape together more hints about how House Artriez's position is precarious if needed, just look at Letrizia's face whenever Hunger brings up the subject of payment.
I know, why content ourselves with one when we could get both? We just need to conscript more miners, it's all for the sake of ProgressGrabbing both ads and OaF would be probably the best option, though.
Anyway, while you could argue that holding off on OaF means getting more mileage out of Bastion, despite the discounts it's still not easy to save up the required 22 Arete. We should make large expenditures when we have the funds to do so, because those moments come infrequently. ADS can be flash-bought and/or purchased piecemeal in halves, Exalted Spirit's
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OctarineShrike
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Mechanically speaking the cost of Exalted Spirit is 2 Arete(A Simple Transaction I Original). If you're applying some other calculation to get 7 I'm not aware of it.
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[X] All-Defeating Stance + Exalted Spirit
Team SMRT.
Never. Skip. Brain Day.
Team SMRT.
Never. Skip. Brain Day.
Turns out I was thinking of Lunar Coronet's price tag, for which Exalted Spirit's a prerequisite. That does make things a little more even, but since we're so close to OaF anyway, might as well cut through.
Duquette7
I am Fire, and I am Rain
Feh, calling himself a Red voter with only Two Red options, the nerve of some people...
You jest, but it is "just" 7 arete. Unless we are squaring off Lord Protector literally next update, we'll probably have enough arete to just buy it anyway.
...Actually, we could probably manage even with this update because of a two-day schedule, but that would strain somewhat depleted willingness of the thread to grind and mine. 7 Arete omakestorm might be unreasonable, but one 4 arete day followed by one 3 arete day is... alright-ish?
Inb4 even more build votes instead of updates
Rihaku
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Your party does happen to include a powerful anti-magic specialist!
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[X] Once and Future I
[X] The Lord Protector
[X] The Long Voyage
Take the power and end him quick, then rush to finish decimate is what looks most feasible to me. I really wanted to decimate first, but no tower makes it pretty obvious to the LP that something has changed and he needs to act. I'm not risking all our allies against him, the cost is too high.
[X] The Lord Protector
[X] The Long Voyage
Take the power and end him quick, then rush to finish decimate is what looks most feasible to me. I really wanted to decimate first, but no tower makes it pretty obvious to the LP that something has changed and he needs to act. I'm not risking all our allies against him, the cost is too high.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
Good point.
[X] Priority Two
[X] Once and Future I
[X] The Lord Protector
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- Pindorama
I was being facetious, I didn't think people actually forgot that lol
Hm, if we're going to prioritize the Protector, how do we draw him out? Preparation may favor him, he's a summoner with lots of connections. Presumably he holds court somewhere, but if he doesn't want to offer battle we're not guaranteed to find him and depending on Hunger's actions he may deduce our time constraints. We're getting into 'every hour counts' territory, making the couple spent negotiating painful. At the risk of making an atrocious pun, my instinct is to reprise the temple arc.
Target Claumgnor's places of worship and dismantle those unsightly edifices, maybe mixing in some rousing speeches about rising up against tyranny and the atrocities committed by reaving squads against the Lesser Kingdoms. The people of Nilfel have fallen short of their nation's name, but all the evils of recent years could be healed, if the rightful queen were to take the throne! The coup was recent enough that there's almost certainly a lot of Royalist sentiment lurking beneath the surface, if we give people a way to express it. Could coordinate with Eruntael, bring in his Legions while we incite open rebellion in Miren, killing the Protector's lackeys and making his presumptuous title a transparent lie.
We don't know how load-bearing the temples are, though, or how crucial the Protector's Patron Spirit is to his power. I'd really like to pick Adorie's brain about those, her family's supposed to have one too. How do the spirits interact with mythos, can we expect any help from that corner, what specific magic does her former gaoler command. Why is she still alive, that's another good one. Hopefully her family at least had enough time to impart House Mirellyian's secret lore, but we don't know how old Adorie is. Her apparent youth means very little given Nilfellian lifespans, even peasants benefit from an order-of-magnitude increase. Perhaps the fixation on baked goods is borne of solidarity, being a Christmas cake herself? Speaking of, we should Ennoble Adorie if we haven't done that already, no reason to be stingy with the buffs.
Target Claumgnor's places of worship and dismantle those unsightly edifices, maybe mixing in some rousing speeches about rising up against tyranny and the atrocities committed by reaving squads against the Lesser Kingdoms. The people of Nilfel have fallen short of their nation's name, but all the evils of recent years could be healed, if the rightful queen were to take the throne! The coup was recent enough that there's almost certainly a lot of Royalist sentiment lurking beneath the surface, if we give people a way to express it. Could coordinate with Eruntael, bring in his Legions while we incite open rebellion in Miren, killing the Protector's lackeys and making his presumptuous title a transparent lie.
We don't know how load-bearing the temples are, though, or how crucial the Protector's Patron Spirit is to his power. I'd really like to pick Adorie's brain about those, her family's supposed to have one too. How do the spirits interact with mythos, can we expect any help from that corner, what specific magic does her former gaoler command. Why is she still alive, that's another good one. Hopefully her family at least had enough time to impart House Mirellyian's secret lore, but we don't know how old Adorie is. Her apparent youth means very little given Nilfellian lifespans, even peasants benefit from an order-of-magnitude increase. Perhaps the fixation on baked goods is borne of solidarity, being a Christmas cake herself? Speaking of, we should Ennoble Adorie if we haven't done that already, no reason to be stingy with the buffs.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
We can get ADS after fighting LP, so I'm not too bothered by missing out on social/int stats.
I mean, why would you get ADS?
If you remember EFB choice three updates back, we were talking about getting ADS with the Tower as social build; however, that was more in line of "Tower kinda sucks but this will kinda make it work i guess" rather than that build being especially powerful.
On the other hand, OaF was a powerful centerpiece of our Rank build back when we got CP; then, we further upgraded it with Crown, Tears and Winter King - likewise, we got Rank-dependent summon as well.
ADS gets you bunch of goodies - Curse mitigation, Ruin defense, nice bundle of rare stats etc, sure, but it's not strong in the same way OaF is. ADS is merely good, while OaF was amazing before we went out of our way to make it better three times..
If you remember EFB choice three updates back, we were talking about getting ADS with the Tower as social build; however, that was more in line of "Tower kinda sucks but this will kinda make it work i guess" rather than that build being especially powerful.
On the other hand, OaF was a powerful centerpiece of our Rank build back when we got CP; then, we further upgraded it with Crown, Tears and Winter King - likewise, we got Rank-dependent summon as well.
ADS gets you bunch of goodies - Curse mitigation, Ruin defense, nice bundle of rare stats etc, sure, but it's not strong in the same way OaF is. ADS is merely good, while OaF was amazing before we went out of our way to make it better three times..
Bah, who needs the better odds at having the cake and eating it? Hunger will aim higher and succeed despite them. Imagine succeeding at dealing with the Decimator even after focusing on the Lord Protector first, that'd be like having the cake, eating it and somehow conjuring a new one all at the same time!
[X] Once and Future I
[X] The Lord Protector
I am not sure about whether to go for the VR or HS, though, so I'll leave that part of the vote aside for now.
I know the feeling, if only we could get free Arete from procrastination...
Though in a sense, that bonus was an apt reflection of the thread's proclivities. Haven't we been milking the mechanics to generate OOC resources, creating build votes to buy time to argue about them, thus gaining the Arete so we can fuel more of the same?
The Foremost should have focused on the Interdict of Arete instead of bothering with the piddly Interdict of Cognition...