I am stealing this for the guide, this is mine now.

Imagine not being a part of QUACK Gang. We fight a lot but there's some things I think everyone in the thread can agree on and one of them is the perspicacity and intelligence of the Duck. I'm sure you're just joking around here but some things really aren't funny. I'm sure you'll make it clear that you were just messing around and there's nothing wrong with QUACK Gang in the final draft.

Isn't that right, sharkey?

Right?
You can't handle the truth!
Son, we live in a world that has gangs, and those gangs have to be watched by men with guns.

Who's gonna do it? You? You, Archivist Runeblue?

I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for the duck, and you curse me. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know - that dissing the Quack gang, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me watching those Gangs -- you need me on watching those Gangs. We use words like "honor," "code," "loyalty." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way

"Quack, Quack-Quack Quack! Quack, Quack quack Quack, Quack? Quack!
Remember little duck, there is always a MEOW above the quack
 
How would the Sovereignty voting for an elected official have that official compete against the power and competence of Ennobled individuals or just buffing-type Elementalists?
When everyone is Ennobled, no one will be. Hunger might not have time for that, though, but I hope higher Rank makes that easier.

Going off what Byzantine said about publicly funded campaigning, we could also have publicly buffed campaigning. I'm imagining a debate where all candidates are +Men +Soc buffed to heaven to best represent everyone's position.
 
It seems like voting would become a complex issue in the long-run. How would the Sovereignty voting for an elected official have that official compete against the power and competence of Ennobled individuals or just buffing-type Elementalists? The Sovereignty is an Empire offshoot after all, not a Republic subsidiary so it seems like it'd make more sense to have a centralized government that prioritizes specific civil rights while political power might be given to those competent and of a suitable nature to form part of the ruling body.

Maybe in the long run some kind of Universal Basic Enhancement for all citizens? Like, everyone gets Ennobled + some basic cognitive enhancements. Make sure that everyone's on the same broad cognitive level when making democratic decisions.
 
I think it is an important detail whether the Ennoblement will be hereditary!

"blood" buffs are likely to propagate through familial lines, which sets up a de facto aristocracy...
 
The process of comprehensive elevation of all positive attributes of the blood. Applied continuously over a long period, boons may become permanent and expand in scope, enhancing all qualities of the target and their future offspring. Applies up to +++All Stats to the target, Lifespan improves by fourfold. Elevates the target by .5 Rank to a maximum of 3.5. Does not work on yourself or on species whose native Rank is higher than 4.5.
Yeah, it's hereditary. The more I think about it, the more unpalatable not Ennobling everyone becomes. Need to think about how to manage it.
 
Now, I know this is a radical proposal, but... why not Ennoble everyone when we have the time? Even in Númenor, power flowed from those with the greatest concentration of Elven blood. But here in the Sovereignty, Hunger has a chance to create a society distributes its superhuman capabilities in a truly egalitarian fashion. Surgecrafters aside (for now), we can give all citizens the same tier of boost! One perk of high-Rank Bloodcasting is that it massively streamlines such efforts, and once the first pass is done the process is hereditary and virtually self-sustaining.

Hm... does Hunger have time to ennoble a population of millions while also working on the Constitution / personnel vetting, though?
 
[X] Constitutional Design

Both options will be done, but Constitutional Design is harder, so it only makes sense for a more capable part of the team to work on the more complicated option. I am somewhat worried about the possibility of failure, but the promise of stability still wins me over. I don't want to focus on the Administrators and create a weakpoint easily exploited by Apo-chan.

[X] The Elementalists

I think we will have a lot of chances to gain economic and technological benefits in the Human Sphere, but Sovereignty remains the only source of the Elementalists that can aid is in our mission. Empowering the military can backfire, but I think the combination of a good constitution with somewhat capable administrators will be able to take care of it.

I don't think it would be necessary for the players to design the constitution - we are certainly not as smart as Gisena or even Hunger, but the drafts could be helpful, for generating Arete if nothing else.
 
Ennoblement can be manually improved plus remember that our EFB Edeldross unlock Fairbright Bloodline. A combination of the two might solve the issue of corruption. And think about if we make Lucent Thorne as the symbol of office to guide and advice the current ruler long after we are gone from this universe.
 
Ennoblement can be manually improved plus remember that our EFB Edeldross unlock Fairbright Bloodline. A combination of the two might solve the issue of corruption. And think about if we make Lucent Thorne as the symbol of office to guide and advice the current ruler long after we are gone from this universe.
IC we don't even know the Thorn or fairbrights exist.
 
Is it possible to incorporate rescinding Ennobled enhancements into the legal code, if the constitution reflects the Ringbearer's will? Ennobling's description says 'with a thought', so perhaps the thought can occur beforehand. If so, we could create a procedure with a handful of hurdles/checks & balances that allows for administrators to be stripped of their supernatural capabilities if convicted of corruption.
 
Now, I know this is a radical proposal, but... why not Ennoble everyone when we have the time? Even in Númenor, power flowed from those with the greatest concentration of Elven blood. But here in the Sovereignty, Hunger has a chance to create a society distributes its superhuman capabilities in a truly egalitarian fashion. Surgecrafters aside (for now), we can give all citizens the same tier of boost! One perk of high-Rank Bloodcasting is that it massively streamlines such efforts, and once the first pass is done the process is hereditary and virtually self-sustaining.
Way I see it, we Ennoble the people who will ensure our reforms stick. We duck out for a month or two. We come back with a level of power that obviates all previous buffs, because we've gone from a one handed wreck of a man to King Hunger the two handed blood buffer in the space of three weeks, and in three weeks we should rise to even greater heights.

Honestly, we don't need to make a government that can last through the ages. We just need a government that can last long enough for us to eventually swing back around for a less hurried (or even more hurried but vastly superior in magnitude) societal boost, and one that will be good and fair to the people while we do so.
 
Is it possible to incorporate rescinding Ennobled enhancements into the legal code, if the constitution reflects the Ringbearer's will? Ennobling's description says 'with a thought', so perhaps the thought can occur beforehand. If so, we could create a procedure with a handful of hurdles/checks & balances that allows for administrators to be stripped of their supernatural capabilities if convicted of corruption.
A C C R E T E T H E C O N S T I T U T I O N

Would that even be possible? That would be super badass, even if I'm not sure it'd be a good idea to have a document as one of our Panoply items.
 
I think Ennoblement being hereditary and thus causing the rise of an aristocrat line may well be inevitable considering the presence of bloodlines and powers like the Fairbright Legacy in the Voyaging Realm already. I'm not particularly in support of that, but the political reality of the situation may result in a noble class existing anyway with the natural prevalence of High Elementalists in the Sovereignty.

My main concern would be D E F E N S E of the territory and I think prioritizing maintaining a strong military that still adheres to the ideals of the Sovereignty is pretty crucial. My second concern is how to curb the potential harm of a natural distinction in power and influence of the Surgecrafters and 'nobles' or patricians that have the rights to the Elixir Springs, which make certain civil liberties (in so far as they do not intrude on Hunger's ability to rework the society as necessary) fairly vital. It'd be good if we could avoid the society of the Sovereignty becoming akin to the human nobility-based power structures of his second world though I fear that the fundamental power disparity between High Elementalists and mortals may make that an impossible dream.
 
Hm... does Hunger have time to ennoble a population of millions while also working on the Constitution / personnel vetting, though?
That's where 'when we have the time' would come in, even with Crimson Flare this isn't feasible in the five days we're working with. I assume we're going to have to come back to the Sovereignty, now that we're all-in on it. If people didn't want to do that, they shouldn't have voted for Be the Change/Crown. There's no time to implement that plan with Constitution.

If we go with the faster route of finding Capable Administrators, universal Ennobling will eradicate their comparative advantage. Still, I do like the idea of a truly superhuman polity bound together by a robust legal system. In time, such a nation could perform great works. If only we had Lord Regnant, to make the oaths of public office binding...! The power of findross is so immense it can even make politicians honest.
 
We've started thinking of surgecrafts in the discord again. Mine is ForgeStar, which flows out of me in the form glowing hot machinery, ready to build or destroy in equal measure.
That's really cool. 'Cannonshadow' has been bouncing around in my head for a bit, so I might as well have it be my Element!
Cannonshadow. A substance with enormously variable physical properties, so long as they suit the concepts of 'shade' and 'force-directing tube'. Horatio has already discovered its' person-launcher and wing capacities, and has already abandoned deuterium-fusion in favor of antimatter-pumped gamma lasers! However, his defenses are less impressive, as he has yet to work out a truly one-way muzzle cap, or to do away with an opening entirely. Singularity-material seems a promising avenue of research for the former, but so far safety concerns have delayed testing!
In general, he is primarily limited by his element supply - higher-yield attacks require considerably stronger containment, while smaller ones are generally much less efficient. As he masters the Singularity Shell, this will likely become irrelevant.
By Elixer standards, Horatio would already be a Super Elite. However, he still has a long way to go before he can face an Armament! He'll have to work hard.

...

With regards to the Constitution, I think it's really critical that compound interest be completely and comprehensively illegal, as are any attempts to bypass that. A fixed-debt cap of twice the original loan is probably generous, but I'd be willing to allow it provisionally.
That probably also needs a 100% wealth tax at a specific, really clear and unarguable threshold to be safe, but I'm not sure what that threshold should be. Needs to accommodate group ownership/projects (for things like restaurants, films, and conventions) without allowing company-based oligarchies. Might just have to throw Rank at the problem and hope Rihaku's okay with handwaving that solution-search.
Reasoning: Compound interest - especially unbounded compound interest - is statistically inevitable to aggregate wealth in a society from the many to the few. This is bad for social stability, efficiency, and moral reasons. Need to teach this, too.

Ideally, this constitution would be one a one-page pamphlet in a universal language, stating both magically-unmistakable intentions and the basic reasoning behind them. Some good set of procedures for making sure the judges and enforcers are doing their jobs is also pretty necessary. But how? Making sure the offices of government are under constant publicly-accessible surveillance seems like part of the solution, but comes with its' own implementation challenges...
 
Even if Ennoblement is hereditary, it doesn't actually matter. That'll only be relevant over like 20-30 years or more. Considering how far we've come in three weeks, by then we could probably Ennoble+++ the entirety of the Sovereignty over the course of a day or something, if even that. If real terms, it's less "aristocracy" and more "temporary super-functionaries" like the power of the Celestine from Most High (though less potent). Moreover, Hunger will be monitoring that stuff and periodically checking in so it genuinely doesn't matter that much because we can fix any fuckups with time. What matters now is ensuring it remains functional enough for us to earn Crown.

I admit, it would be really sick to pick up Elixir and then make an entire city of Fairbrights. We thought we'd dodged them so well but, much like the Apocryphal, the longer we avoided them, the more terrible and glorious their reckoning would be.
 
I've added a new page to the Magic Systems spreadsheet, for Surgecrafts specifically! I remember there being a bunch earlier in the thread that I neglected to collect since I wasn't really sure if they counted as magic systems unto themselves, so please, if you remember posting any, link them to me!
 
1105 Words of a Crazy person's Public Access TV Rant.

I'm not sure if this is "good" or "readable" or even "coherent"... but it certainly is done. Mostly I was looking for a format that would let me interrupt the omake with a pledge-drive. But that format seems to be a bizarre Alex Jones-style podcast, with occasional references to a Public Access TV recording studio?

  • Elementalists will want to retire
  • Civilians will compete with (1) veterans, who have (2) literal magic powers
  • Tourists are an important facet of the Sovereignty's Economy that should be considered during Government Reform process
    • They provide valuable links to the outside world (Culture, Technology, Cash)
    • They also might absorb some of the Elixir Springs magic, and then need help (controlling the element, escaping Voyaging Realm, legal issues in home nation, etc)

Thinking about Fantasy government is a lot simpler than thinking about real government. In fantasy government, there are competing needs where members of two parties that are otherwise aligned are forced into cutthroat competition for resources. In real life these competing interests interact among a dizzying array of different axes, so that even two groups who have interests that are fully compatible might come into conflict, while inherently adversarial groups might find themselves in an alliance.



In real life there are as many stakeholders as there are citizens. When designing a fantasy government, it is at least theoretically possible to enumerate the relevant parties. Here, we even have a color-coded list. But I think that there is room to gain Tactics points while also grabbing the Arete bonus for Non-Build Options discussion: Who are the players in the Sovereignty Society? You won't believe who got left off the list


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Welcome back from the break. Before we left, we promised to reveal who the real players are in Sovereign Society. The answer might surprise you. First, consider the intermittently color-coded list recited by the [Most High] in Tonight's Update:

The Elementalists

The Traditionalists

The Military

The Bureaucrats

The Civilians


...and, of course, Lord Hunger, the Reckoner Himself

Each of these factions represents a different power bloc as the Sovereignty adjusts to this new Rotspawn Free world we've woken up in. The heroic High Elementalists have our gratitude, of course, for their continued dedication to our nation's safety and security. Now that the threat of Rotspawn is eliminated, some High Elementalists will surely be eager to retire into civilian society. Watch for the rapid commercialization of elements previously restricted to military use.

Traditionalists will bluster, of course, that the abilities held by High Elementalists provide an undue advantage over the more mundane members of society.

The Military will try to cling to power, even after their ultimate failure to secure the borders of the Sovereignty during the moment of greatest importance. We must guard against propaganda designed to weaponize our relief at finally achieving safety.

The bureaucracy will be franticly shifting responsibility and trying to claim credit, but what else can you expect from politicians? I will continue to use Public Access TV to provide hard-hitting journalism that asks questions like "how did a monster the size of a mountain sneak up on a hyper militarized state who spends 62% of GDP on military development!? Where did all those credits go?" You can trust me, Zampano, to hold our politicians accountable. I'll get to the bottom of the real conspiracy: We all use Elixir water, why aren't we all High Elementalists? The previous administration was using the Elixir to

...yes, well that's a topic for our next broadcast. Let's get back on track. What is the major constituency that was concealed during the update by the [Most High]?

Tourists. We all know that the largest portion of the Sovereignty's GDP comes from Tourists vacationing to take advantage of our hot springs. They pay good credits to bask in the peerless rejuvenating waters of the Elixir hot springs. Even Lord Hunger the Reckoner is rumored to have taken a dip... maybe that's why his power grew so quickly? With the threat of rotspawn we can count on an influx of tourists, assuming the ministry of Propaganda is even a little bit competent at their job.

Why do the tourists matter to the discussion of the governmental reforms? Two Words: Visitor Passes. Regular visitors bring news of the Human Sphere, they bring novel inventions, and they bring a daily infusion of new currency to our society. They do all this while paying through the nose for the privilege! We need to enshrine protections for tourists, as the petrol of the Sovereignty's economic engine.

But we also need protections from tourists. What's the legal status of a minor traveling with mundane parents who awakens an Element? What obligations does the Sovereignty have in assisting with the extradition of unintentionally created mages from the Voyaging Realm? These are important issues, and over the next six weeks I will take you on a deep dive into the legal history of three spontaneously awoken High elementalists...
 
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