A Second Sunrise: Taiwan of 2020 Sent Back to 1911

What would be a good name for the rewrite?

  • Children of Heaven

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • A Hundred Years' Difference

    Votes: 6 60.0%
  • Sun and Stars

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • The Second Sunrise

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • (Just call it Second Sunrise but make sure nobody refers to it as "SS")

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    10
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discovered this just the other day and here I am, read it all.
Lovely work, just one nitpick on the name - if it is intended to be of Italian spelling, it's "della Provvidenza" over "della Providenzza" as the latter ending can't be separated in autonomous Italian syllables (del-la prov-vi-den-za)

Thank you again for a nice story to read.
 
Chapter 71: Reflections
Raleigh, North Carolina, United States of America, 8 August 1930

He wasn't much of a drinker, these days. Alcohol, anyways, ever since he learned he had more of a taste for soda than he ever did whiskey or beer.

That didn't stop him from going to the bar, though. Bars were just as much a place to drink as they were a place to talk, and his friend Henry was working a shift as a bartender right now.

"You know," he said to the friendly bartender, "Those uptimers ain't so smart as some people think."

"Smart enough to come up with all those medications you like, Joshua. Heck, they're probably the reason why your son doesn't have Polio, either."

"Yeah, I know, I know," Joshua groaned, before taking another sip of his soda. "And without them, I'd probably be a Hell of a lot worse person than I am right now. But you know what I always found weird about them?"

"Go on..." Now the bartender had to hear this, and it was getting good. "I'm listening."

"I'm talking about all that wasted potential. Think about it. We have conmen, klansmen, lunatics, and all sorts of scum of the Earth who'll tell you what you want to hear for a pretty penny. But for all our problems, we didn't have the world's knowledge at our fingertips. They do. So what's their excuse?"

"Hell if I know," the bartender sighed. "Maybe it's not that they aren't smarter than us. If anything, they're just as dumb and prejudiced as we are."

"I wouldn't go that far, Henry" Joshua pointed out. "These Uptimers are a lot more tolerant of women and N- I mean, black people. Sorry. Still getting used to not using that, you know?"

Well, that's what they were told at the meeting with the Testers, anyways. He could still hear that passionate reverend telling the mixed-race crowd, "God doesn't discriminate, then why should you?!"

That wasn't all it took, of course. Joshua knew for himself that conversion wasn't a matter of just saying the magic words and winning people over. Sure, some religious people thought it worked like that, but those people were fools who watched too many movies.

He'd seen for himself that it was a whole journey. It had been for him.

He'd been part of the Klan, for Christ's sake! Sure, that had been over a decade ago, and he was still pretty embarrassed about it, but conversion was a journey for him.

A very long journey that took a lot of time and even more patience from everyone in his newfound community, but he'd come out better for it.

Heck, the fact he was chatting with a Black man in a bar mostly full of Black people was a testament to that. That, and the fact that he was sort of persona non grata among his former circle by virtue of A, Leaving the Klan and B, Joining the Testers.

"So I've been thinking, Henry," Joshua asked his fellow Tester. The bartender nodded, as if to tell him to go on. "If a racist goes to Heaven, how do you think they'd react if they saw a Black man, an Irishman, and an Asian standing there in line?"

"I'd think they'd think they were in Hell, Joshua," the bartender chuckled. "All of them."

"How so?"

"Well, the racist is going to have to live for all eternity knowing that Asians, Black people, and the Irish all go to Heaven, too."

"And what about the Asian, the Irishman, and the Black man? How's it Hell for them?"

"Oh, them?" Henry just smirked. "Well, they're stuck with the guy for all eternity who'll never stop complaining about it."

Peking University, Beijing, Hebei Province, Republic of China, 29 August 1930

"It's amazing," said Professor Tsai to his physics class, "About what a society can accomplish in a short period of time. To think that work had started on this, over fifteen years ago."

Which, if he was being honest, wasn't the entire truth. True, work the Circular Particle Collider (because physicists are absolutely boring at naming things) had been started in around 1915, but it wasn't explicitly intended to serve as its actual function.

No, it was a hallmark of the corruption of the Modernization Era of the nascent Republic, back when the government would throw money and resources at projects left and right in the name of "Modernization," without much thought when it came to oversight.

This was one such project that was, in truth, designed to give a juicy contract to some Taiwanese construction company that had connections to Nanjing.

Add in two decades, a corruption probe, an economic boom, and the invention of plasma-based tunnel-boring machines, and you had the makings of the world's largest (and only) particle collider, with all sorts of happy contractors who had the decency to actually do their job when they got rich off of a government contract.

"Now, the particle collider won't be ready for another few months, but it does have some promising results. On to our current subject: Tachyons. Who wants to tell me what a Tachyon is?"

One student raised her hand.

"Who wants to tell me what a Tachyon is that isn't Miss Xie? Come now."

That took a few seconds, but eventually a teenaged boy raised his hand.

"Yes, Peng?"

"A Tachyon is a hypothetical particle that a;ways travels faster than light. Its existence is in violation of all known laws of physics."

"That it is," Professor Tsai confirmed. "Now, has there been any proof of Tachyons?"

Xie raised her hand again, but Tsai waited a few seconds in the hope that anyone who didn't answer half his questions knew the answer.

He was wrong.

"...Miss Xie."

"Weren't there readings that were consistent with tachyons during the Great Journey?" she asked. From how she talked, she sounded unsure for the first time in her life. "It's still up for debate, but from what little we have observed, it does seem to be similar to the diagrams we have, yes?"

"Yes, I suppose so," Tsai confirmed. "Though it isn't as if we can replicate the effect for the time being. Well, at least until the CPC finally starts running tests in a year or two."

Madison, Wisconsin, United States of America, 11 September 1930

"It is clear," said Senator Robert "Young Bob" La Follette to the listeners in the crowd and on public TV, "That our history has seen no equivalent of the United Nations or the League of Nations. While the Great War could be seen as an equivalent of the World Wars of the Lost History, unfortunately the world does not have the... political will to create such an international organization."

"And why do you think that," asked President Emeritus Birge, "Are there not several examples of international cooperation such as the Red Cross and Red Crescent?"

It was a rhetorical question, of course. International cooperation wasn't exactly a new concept, but the difference between the Red Cross and the United Nations was that the former was largely a humanitarian mission, while the latter had at least some trappings of a global government.

Birge knew that. La Follette knew that.

"There are several, I would say," the senator figured aloud. "Though there are religious concerns from the Revelationist Evangelical sects about the theological implications of a world government in any form, I believe that the failures of the UN and the League of Nations in the Lost History have discouraged people. To many, unfortunately, the UN and League of Nations are seen as ineffective at preventing global conflicts and atrocities such as Srebrenica, the Holocaust, and the Rwandan Genocide."

"I see..." said the former head of UW-Madison, "But what about a more cultural and educational-oriented organization? The UN, after all, did more than just peacekeeping in the Lost History. It also fostered cultural and educational growth through UNESCO, relief through UNICEF, and advanced healthcare through the World Health Organization. If such an organization were proposed with those goals in mind, would you support it?"

"I would," La Follette said without hesitation. "Just as I have supported the Historic Sites Act, as well as the Foreign Assistance Act, the formation of the Peace Corps former President Cox's orders, and the National Environmental Protection Act. If Congress were to pass legislation to found or join of such an organization, I would do everything in my power to see it through Congress, the White House, and the State Department."

"Would you propose such legislation yourself?" It was an obvious question, but it had to be asked for the sake of the conversation.

"Yes. However, I do think that we ought to start smaller, at first. Regional organizations such as the Pan-American Union, Paris Agreement, and the Nanjing Accord seem to be viable foundations on which we can build a truly global, cooperative organization."

Outside Managua International Airport, Managua, Nicaragua, 20 September 1930

Zhao Bolin had come a long way. Once an American national, he had been one of Beijing's greatest deep-cover assets in Taiwan. Be it industrial espionage, signals intelligence, or HUMINT (Human Intelligence), he had done it all in the service of the People's Republic.

It was that loyalty and dedication that gotten him sent back in time during the Great Journey, after which he would fall under the command of the upstart "Watcher." Truth be told, he didn't know much about her... him... or whoever they were. All he knew was that they had tasked him with keeping Mao alive, along with various other missions over the last twenty years.

That was why he was here, on what had been the mother of all examples of "Mission Creep." Because what had started as a simple operation to help the Mexicans arm General Sandino's rebels had now spiraled into himself holding an FIM-92 Stinger MANPADS (Man-Portable Air Defense System) while President Somoza fled the country in a Cessna private jet.

The very fact that he was even doing this was a testament to the mission's success, seeing that General Sandino had walked into the National Palace after a months-long rebellion that very day, aided by his Mexican "advisors" in practice and the PRC remnants in secret.

Still, the reality of his expanded mission had not been lost on Zhao: Kill the Somozas as they flee the country, and Central America would take another step towards socialism.

So he breathed, peered through the sight, and aimed at the sole airplane in the sky. In spite of the darkness, it wasn't too hard to see its flashing lights or hear the roaring of the engines.

Once he heard the tone, all Zhao had to do was pull the trigger.

Ministry of Culture, Nanjing, Capital Autonomous Region, Republic of China, 10 October 1931

Shannon had thought that she'd left the days of ceremonies behind when she retired from the military to become an artist. She was never one for the spotlight, outside of the occasional fan convention Rachel had to push her to attend.

This was no exception, as her wife practically had to pull her teeth to get her to show up to her own ceremony.

"As Cultural Minister of the Republic of China, Minister Lai Pin-Yu said to her, "It is my honor to present you, Shannon Wu, with the Medal of Culture for your work promoting Chinese culture both at home and abroad. While many would write off manhua as a genre for children and young adults, it is clear that the spread of your work around the world has helped countless people, young and old, learn and understand our culture as well as our humanity."

Now, if Shannon was being completely honest, the Minister was probably biased. Back in 2020, Lai had become famous as the "Cosplaying Politician," as people on the internet called her. Heck, the Minister still cosplayed at conventions despite pushing fifty and being the Minister of Culture of the progressive "Green-KMT" government.

But the facts were the facts, and people all over the world enjoyed reading her works, particularly the slice-of-live series she'd been working on the last couple years.

Okay, they weren't exactly her works now that Gu Xin-yi was doing the writing, but the kid was a prodigy who could write better than Shannon could have ever hoped.

Plus, having a writer meant more time for artwork, and that was where Shannon truly shined. Between the two of them, as well as input from her ever-supportive family and surrogate family, her newest series Uptime-Downtime had been a success both at home and abroad.

Even if she kept getting letters from Americans asking her when the next translation would come out.

Huliaipole, Yekaterinoslav Governorate, Russian Empire, 24 October 1930

"Progress is progress," Arshinov admitted, before looking at the latest shipment to come into the commune. "Watermelon from Kherson, cherries from Melitopol, and sugar beets from Odessa. All distributed according to the reforms."

"That's good," Makhno agreed, before looking at the stack of ledgers on his desk. "You'd think that in anarcho-communism, there'd be less bureaucracy without a government. Yet here we are, dealing with supply chains and paperwork."

"You were the one who said that logistics would be necessary to improve the average farmer's life, and it has! The quality and variety of food is greater than it's ever been, which puts another criticism to rest. Two, if you count the First Council's latest agreements on distribution and cooperation between the various communes."

"Not to mention," his mentor continued, "the labor cooperative that bought out the fertilizer plant over in Kyiv."

"That went through?" Arshinov nodded. It had been an issue, but the factory workers had gathered enough funds with the workers to effectively buy out the factory. "Well, it looks like we won't have to trade as much for fertilizer, anymore."

After all, the factory had to compensate the communes in some way, and we still have the issue of currency to work out.

"As well as a working example of our system in the industrial sector," the elder libertarian said with great excitement. "The French Model takes a few liberties compared to the rural commune, but those are probably necessary when you're working with industry."

"Alright then." The years (and by extension, sheer practicality) had turned Nestor Makhno into a more-pragmatic man. While he maintained his beliefs, he and Arshinov had learned firsthand that tangible results would be the best argument for anarcho-communism. "So, where does that leave us?"

"The First Council has received complaints from the workers in the fertilizer factory in Kyiv. While they are more than willing to trade fertilizer in exchange for the down payment on the factory and exchange food for fertilizer, the workers' council was pointed out that they are unable to have some of their needs met when it comes to non-agricultural purchases."

"In layman's terms?"

"The workers in the cities aligned with us are fine with trading food for fertilizer, but they can't buy medicine, fuel, or spare parts without money."

"Meaning we'll have to continue to use money for the time being?" Arshinov nodded. "I take it the Council came to the same conclusion?"

"More or less," his mentor figured. "The good news is that the Council has forwarded a motion to create a credit union. It should help with dealing with extra-communal transactions."

Hanoi, Tonkin, Republic of Indochina, 1 November 1930

Pan-Asianism could have been a dirty word. At least it would have, had things been different. In the Lost History, it was an ideal that was corrupted by Japanese ambition in the 20th century and Wolf Warrior Diplomacy in the 21st.

Neither of those two things existed right now. Sure, China and Japan had more weight to throw around, but the two had spent over a decade actively-working to avoid the same mistakes of the Lost History.

Japan had, almost literally, had the imperialism beaten out of them in the dual curbstomps that were the Battle of the East China Sea and the Manchurian Intervention. Any dreams of imperial hegemony had literally died with the Katsura cabinet, and the new order that had risen from its (also-literal) ashes accepted it.

China was a different beast. While yes, Nanjing was well-aware of the fact that they were the strongest nation in the world in almost any sense, there was a near-pathological need to avoid anything that even resembled the PRC that didn't involve building infrastructure.

While there was also long-term geopolitical strategy at play, as well as a realization that they would not always maintain the same advantages, Nanjing's insistence on being First Among Equals, rather than First Above All, could be attributed to Nanjing absorbing and incorporating Taipei's institutions and the people that came with it.

That was why all of these people were here today. Be it China, Japan, Korea, Indochina, Siam, Australia, Aotorea, Burma, Malaya, the Philippines, India, Nusantara, Russia, Iran, Afghanistan, or the Ottomans, the nations of the East were gathered here. "Pan-Asianism" for these delegates was more than simple hegemony.

It was more than anti-colonialism and military alliance, these days. It had to be, now that decolonization (in one form or another) had happened all over Asia and Oceania.

No, this conference would be a vision of the future for Asia, from technology to diplomacy to economics to infrastructure. The goals were bold, and every delegation had their own agenda.

China wanted infrastructure and resource supply chains strengthened, while India wanted to ensure that their growing industrial sector would not be drowned out by Chinese goods.

The Japanese wanted more technology-sharing agreements, while the Filipinos wanted investment in agriculture and fishing.

Now, none of these were necessarily mutually-exclusive, and every delegation agreed on a general sense of cooperation. Differences aside, they all wanted it to work. The fact that more than just the Nanjing Accord were here was proof of that, even if Afghanistan and Iran were de-facto members at this point.

But the reason they were here in the first place was to work out all of the details of just what this, "Pan-Asian Cooperation" entailed.

Feng, Lei. On Counter-Insurgency Operations in Africa. Peking University Press, 1952.

CHAPTER 6: The Racial Dynamics of Post-Colonial Insurrection

In the first chapter, I describe the postwar African insurrection as a unique conflict in the wake of the Great War.

First of all, the conflict is the first in history to see a largely-decentralized enemy force that is united by ideology and racial tensions. Through them, we have the first multi-national operation between units under a unified command that will have units working with one another on joint operations.

The racial implications are what separate this conflict from any other post-Great War conflict. Although other post-Great War resistance movements in Oceania and Europe saw armed resistance in one form or another, this conflict is defined by the white supremacist sentiment that was fostered during the colonial era in Africa.

There are those who would argue that this conflict is an issue of economics or government control. These simple-minded people must be made to realize that economic anxiety or opposition to the post-colonial Majority Rule government are rooted in the white supremacist ideology that exists among the proponents of settler colonialism, its practitioners, and its defenders.

This sentiment of white supremacy from the Settler insurgent creates a sense of solidarity between the Asian soldier and the African citizen. The dynamics between the three are listed here:

Dynamics:
  1. The Settler insurrectionist sees the Asian soldier and the African citizen as beneath them, at best, and an enemy, at worst.
  2. The Asian soldier sees the Settler insurrectionist as a former oppressor and the African citizen as a kindred spirit through their shared opposition and history regarding Settler oppression.
  3. The African citizen sees the Settler insurrectionist as a former, present, and potentially future oppressor; the Asian soldier represents an ally against present and future oppression as well as a window to a future without Settler oppression.
Recommendations for Soldier's Behavior:
  1. Act with efficiency and proficiency in combat.
  2. Maintain a semblance of dignity within your means.
  3. Be courteous to all civilians you encounter.
  4. Compensate those whom you requisition supplies from.
  5. Treat the dead with respect and prompt burial.
  6. Act with politeness to all non-hostiles.
  7. Act charitably when there are sufficient resources and manpower.
  8. Apply these rules to African civilians and non-hostile Settlers civilians.
In doing so, the white supremacist argument is defanged in every sense. The white supremacist will ideally be defeated on the battlefield by superior training, equipment, and tactics, and off the battlefield by the constant refutation of every white supremacist trope and talking point by the soldiers in real time.

Many argue that these dynamics are oversimplified, but this thinking ignores the historical, racial, and social implications of white supremacist colonialism in Africa and Asia. Asia's colonial history provides the African citizen with an aspiration to strive towards, while Africa's more-recent colonial history provides the Asian soldier with a reminder of what they have freed themselves from, as well as what they must not become.

We win this conflict by rejecting white supremacy in all of its forms: by providing a vision of a life not dominated by racist ideology, by seeing a reminder of the evils of racist colonialism, and by proving the racist white supremacist wrong both on and off the battlefield.
 
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A Daily (Radio) Show
The Daily Show With Groucho Marx, 20 December 1930

GROUCHO MARX: Welcome to the Daily Show! I'm Groucho Marx, and I'll be filling in for Jon Stewart for the next thirty-something years until he's born. We have a great show tonight, with the one and only Charlie Chaplin. He's going to do something special just for this show: (Marx switches to a whisper) He's going to talk.

MARX: But before we bring him on, it's time for our recurring segment, Manifesting Destiny: Today Canada, Tomorrow Argentina, I guess.

MARX: Tonight's story brings us to Nicaragua, where rebel leader Juan Pablo Wainwright has announced that the popular uprising against the Honduran dictator Tiburcio Carias Andino has been a success, with the former dictator fleeing into the Caribbean sea in a Cessna.

WAINWRIGHT (Translated into English): Today, we celebrate the victory of our people against the corrupt and violent dictatorship. It is a victory for all Hondurans, from the miner, to the Garifuna, to the farmer. It is a victory for democracy, and dignity for all!

MARX: Bold words. The response across the world has been mixed, with Chinese president Wang Jingwei offering his congratulations, Nicaraguan president Augusto Sandino heralding it as a victory for all Central Americans, and United Fruit Company President Samuel Zemurray saying, "GOD-DANG, SON OF A [BLEEP]-ING MOTHERF-[BLEEP]! HOW DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING?! THAT'S THE SECOND COUNTRY THIS YEAR!"

MARX: ...When asked for a comment, the Pan-American Union requested that Interim President Wainwright follow President Sandino's example and hold free and fair elections as soon as possible. They then proceeded to thank our writers for remembering that they actually exist.

MARX: Now, on to our European news segment, with our correspondent Bob Hope. Take it away, Bob.

BOB HOPE: Thanks, Groucho. I am happy to tell our listeners that Adolf Hitler is still dead.

MARX: Good to know. That has been Bob Hope with the European news.

MARX: Now, on to our story of the night: the Post-Colonial Insurrection in Africa.

[Sound of explosion plays as a transition]

MARX: Africa. Home to millions of diverse people, dozens of fledgling democracies, and that place your racist relatives wouldn't stop talking about during Thanksgiving dinner. But for the last few years, it's been home to a continent-wide insurrection between white former settlers-turned-bandits who want to return to the colonial era, and... basically everybody else.

MARX: Over the years, these insurrectionists have been pushed back, with redoubt after redoubt being attacked and destroyed. As such, Americans have been asking the hard questions, like what this means for us, how can we help, and how are we going to get rid of all of our idiot klansmen now that the conflict is dying down?

MARX: These are the hard-hitting questions that our society faces, and I, dear listeners, have the answers. One: Not much. Two: Please donate to the International Red Cross and Crescent. And Three: We can just deport all the klansmen to The Hague to await trial for war crimes.
 
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The Pitch
"This?" Howard Hughes said, looking at the script. "You want to take an American television show and bring it back to our time?"

"Hey, they did it for Scarface," Ben Hecht told him, "Who's to say we can't do the reverse with Breaking Bad?"

"That's the thing," Hughes pointed out, "They could do Scarface because they had cocaine and we had Prohibition. But they have meth and we don't have Prohibition now, so what do we do? Bootlegging?"

"I mean…" Now it was Howard Hawks' turn to jump in, "Bootlegging's still illegal, and a good chemist can make better good money if they can find a dealer for a good product."

"At that point, you might as well just make meth!" the producer said to the director and writer. "I'm not trying to dissuade you two, but amphetamines are still mostly-illegal and the black market exists."

"Maybe," From the way Hawks talked, it sounded like he'd stand his ground on this one. "But when people in America think about crime, do they think bootleg booze, or drugs they can still buy over the counter with a prescription?"

It was a rhetorical question, of course. Sure, Prohibition wasn't a thing, but people still bootlegged to avoid taxes, if nothing else. Hawks and Hecht knew it, and so did Hughes.

"We'd also adapt the setting to, say, Appalachia."From the way Hecht was talking, this was more than just spitballing. "Can't have bootleggers in the middle of the desert, now can we?"

Hughes nodded. After all, that was where most of the moonshining was happening.

"So," he said, almost ready to agree. "Give me a rundown of how this is going to work, Ben."

"Okay, think about it. Walter White is a dead-end chemistry teacher at Penn, with a wife and kids. Then bam! Cancer diagnosis throws a wrench into all of his plans, and he's going broke. What does he do?"

"He starts bootlegging."

"Not yet! No, he hears a report on the radio, and his brother-in-law Henry asks that he uses his chemistry knowledge to make high-quality alcohol. Henry'll handle all the business through contacts he's made while working at the IRS."

"Go on…"

"What starts as a fruitful relationship begins to falter when Henry's partner, Augustus Friedman, steps into the scene. We're talking a cold, sociopathic, efficient businessman with connections to the Klan who starts driving a wedge between the two."

"I like it!" Hughes interrupted, but it all sounded so familiar. "Wait, isn't this just the lie that Walter White said in the later seasons?"

"…Yeah. Sounds more perfect when you do it like this, though."

"Plus, we don't want to do this one-to-one," Hawks chimed in. "Do it like this, and we'll keep everyone on their toes, even if they saw the original."

"Good thinking..."

"So, can we write you down as a yes? Come on, you know this is golden!"

"Pilot."

"Eh?"

"We'll do a pilot. If it pans out, we'll do a whole season. This is a big commitment you're asking for, even for me!"

"Three seasons."

"Two, with an extension clause. How does that sound?"

Hawks looked at Hecht.

Hecht looked at Hughes.

"Two seasons, minimum," Hawks repeated. "Deal?"

"Deal."
 
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I wonder what other shows could get adapted; Sherlock might be a no-brainer, since the character already existed at the time of the ISOT and the novels were at the peak of their popularity back then, and Penny Dreadful would work for many of the same reasons. While fantasy literature is in its infancy in the West, so I doubt downtime audiences would "get" the likes of Game of Thrones or The Witcher (except for Lewis, Tolkien and their peers), the precursors to modern wuxia are already a thing in mainland China (and you could trace those back to Journey to the West, several centuries earlier), so an Avatar: The Last Airbender remake even more influenced by East Asian philosophy would probably be quite a smash hit.

Shit, the big bad of the series may not be the Fire Nation at all, but a Metal Republic from the future, headed by Kuvira and descended from those remnants of the Earth Kingdom that were able to avoid being genocided by Ozai (earth generates metal in the wuxing, after all), only they became even more vile than Azula and Ozai after centuries of struggling for their survival by any means necessary - in fact, a Fire Nation rebel faction headed by Iroh and Zuko might end up being instrumental in the Metal Republic's defeat, since fire conquers metal according to the aforementioned elemental scheme. :p
 
Talk about American media, I noticed this video this morning and no wonder why it do seem like so "How Americans Got So Stupid" (something to do with american can afford to establish their media studio in most of the world country thank to the fact most nation are either poor or infrastructure get wreck from ww2. Not to mention those 'big guy' want to dumb down people with certain education way, and the fact it cost a lot to travel to other nation,..... not to mention other factor this video mentioned), and since we coming back to time, what will both uptimer and downtimer think about this case here ?
 
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Water Margin - basically the Chinese Robin Hood but with much more twisted politics, as well as the Japanese add-ons might make for some interesting TV. Most Chinese TV adaptations I've seen don't quite go deep enough into the politicking and instead go for the martial arts/tragic end aspect, so it would be interesting if, say, a more politically-based adaptation of Water Margin might be made in the West.

There actually were a few Western live-action adaptations of Journey to the West. Most of them were bad, but one that stood out was the post-apocalyptic one. It was the furthest away from the source material, I think, but done quite well.
 
There was also the live action adaptation of King David's story on NBC that aired about 20 years ago. I forget the name, but if that would be another fun TV show to bring back.
 
So in just two days I've fast-read this entire story. I am wondering about a few things

-Atheism/Irreligion should be a larger size of humanity plus grow much faster. Unitarian churches are growing in number because most of their churchgoers are actually the Nonreligious

-Perhaps Atheists become the majority by the 1950s. Space colonization would increase the rate in which people become Secular or Nonreligious

-Sooner or later Humanity needs to colonize space for population, economics and environmental reasons

-Persona 5 and its Anime adaptation would PISSED OFF the Religious Rightwing. 'god' is literally shown as a maniacal dictator and is shot in the head!

-I wondee how the ancestors of Hemant Mehta, Christopher Hitchens, Stephen Fry and Richard Dawkins feel about their descendants's Atheism

-Mark Twain and George Orwell will be more famous than they are IRL. Henry Ford's descendants would not only be Nonreligious Progressives but also disown him

-Richard Dawkins's God is Dead is strangely popular in Saudi Arabia IRL. Maybe a similar situation should occur in this Alternate Timeline

-The MiB should hack/steal BILLIONS from the Vatican, Mormon Church, rich Wahhabis, etc and give it to the victims of the Church
 
Chapter 72: Think Of The Children('s Future)!
Paris, France, 23 January 1931

"Well we can't call it the Concert of Europe," former president Jean Jaures said to his former protege. "There is too much baggage from Metternich's time, and we cannot compare ourselves to a reactionary figure such as him."

"Well we can't call it the European Union, either," Jean Brodeur shot back. "Naming it that would invite all sorts of baggage that we do not want from the Lost History. A fresh start is needed, and you know that."

"'Community,' then," Jaures decided. "The organization that we have been building for the last half-decade will be called the 'European Community.' It provides a healthy balance between the unity that we seek for Western and Central Europe, while also reassuring non-socialists of the legitimacy of our proposed organization."

The latter had been practically dogma at this point for the French Radical-Socialist alliance. After all they had seen of the Lost History, 'Appealing to the Masses' had been their highest priority after ensuring democracy. Only through this could they avoid the mistakes of the Soviet Union while they converted their fellow Frenchmen (or at this point, Europeans) to their cause.

The fact that they were backing the legitimate government of Spain after King Alfonso XIII staged a self-coup only reinforced those beliefs. France, and by extension the governments of Western Europe that were elected in the post-war era, were in a prime position to portray themselves as the defenders of European Democracy.

Meddling notwithstanding, of course. Brodeur reminded himself.

It wasn't clean or fair, but men like Brodeur weren't above pressing their thumb on the scale in favor of socialism. Sure, they weren't ones to stuff ballot boxes, but that didn't mean he wouldn't, say, flood Western Europe with propaganda that portrayed more-conservative parties and ideals as "backwards," or "responsible for the OAS Coup."

Which they were, of course. Not in the sense of the Lost History's CIA outright funding coups, but London and Germany did acknowledge the OAS as the legitimate government. Awfully quickly, as he recalled.

But that was all in the past. Right now, they, along with countless other Western Europeans had reached the "Second Stage" of Reconstruction, if one could call it that. The first, of course, being the part where they actually had to rebuild half of Western Europe.

Now they were onto the second (harder) part, where they had to transition from the, as the name implied, "Transitional" governments. Elections were held, propaganda was spread, and a good chunk of Western and Central Europe was one shade of Radical-Socialist red or another.

Now came the hard part. De-Monarchization (as it was called) was a harder process than one would imagine. Sure, Europeans were generally opposed to monarchism at this point, but there would always be remnants and restorationists. One need only look to Charles De Gaulle's Lost History self to see that monarchist sentiment could last for decades after a global conflict, even in France.

Every single Radical, Socialist, and Liberal (at least in the coalitions) in Western Europe knew that Republicanism was still in its infancy. Should their new governments not rise to the occasion, then the forces of Reaction could return to destroy all that so many had fought and bled for.

In short, they needed to prove to the people they led that they didn't need to be ruled. That meant everything from supply chains, to industry, to housing, to yes, getting the trains to run on time.

It was a daunting task, but both Jaures and his protege knew that they and all their allies (both in Europe and abroad) could rise to the occasion.

The alternative was monarchism, fascism, or authoritarian communism, and this was their best chance to drive three stakes through the hearts of those terrible ideologies.

Hainan Space Launch Site, Wenchang, Hainan, Republic of China, 2 February 1931

Shooting a missile into space was simple. They'd done it dozens of times over a decade ago to get the GPS array into orbit.

Heck, shooting animals into space was fairly simple. They did that a few years ago, once they actually got funding that had been spent on the war effort, and they'd even managed to get little Lootie the Dog back to Earth. Sure, said dog was completely and utterly terrified, but it was a proof of concept.

But sending people? That was much, much harder.

It wasn't so much that the science wasn't there. Far from it, when they had been launching rockets into the sky for almost twenty years. And if the dog could fly into space and come back, then so could a human.

No, the problem was that humans were more-valuable than dogs, even if they were just as susceptible to asphyxiation, explosive decompression, and other forms of explosions. and Nanjing was terrified of launching the first astronaut into space, followed by the first astronaut to come back.

That was why they hadn't sent anyone to Space after almost twenty years. That, and a massive war that had diverted resources for everything space-related that wasn't satellites, but that was a decade ago. Right now, they were checking every single diagnostic on astronaut Wei Kong's craft as it re-entered the atmosphere. Three orbits was enough, and their minds were halfway between focused and prayers to any and all gods they believed in, before hearing those fateful words.

"We have splashdown," announced director Feng. "Landed a bit off-target around Ishigaki Island."

Chen Residence, Ishigaki, Taiwan, Republic of China, 2 February 1931

"Huh," Michael Chen observed, before watching the capsule lre-enrer through his binoculars, "How's that for a vacation?"

"Wait," Lin asked him from atop his shoulders, "They launched that thing into space?"

"Yup."

"Why?"

"The short answer is national security, Lin. We have a whole bunch of satellites up in space that we need to maintain, and it's cheaper to send somebody up there than to crash into the ocean and launch a replacement."

"So they're like repairmen?" his daughter Morgan chimed in, "That is possibly the least-cool way you could say that, Baba."

"Well, that's how you justify funding to Nanjing, and they're the ones with the money and authority. You need to go there and explain why they should spend all that taxpayer money to fund your project, and last I checked, 'It would be really, really, cool' isn't enough of a reason."

Morgan shot him a weird look, and he braced for another question.

"Wait... Did you tell them that when you propose projects?"

"Oh, he didn't literally tell them that," Aki pointed out. "I believe your father said it would 'Foster the youth's interest in science.'"

"Meaning..."

"You and your brother would think it's really cool and funny if they approved your father's project to literally dig a hole to the Mainland or if we launched somebody into space," she said in her professorial voice. "Do you know what's the funniest part?"

"No, Mama." Now it was Lin's turn to ask questions. "What's that?"

"It actually worked."

"The rocket, the tunnel, or convincing people it would be cool?"

Michael just shrugged. Sure, he or his wife could give a whole answer about the intricacies of popularizing science, but there was a simpler answer.

"Yes."

Review: Circus Maximus, YouTube.com (Subtitles)

The future has many things to look forward to: Medicine, Technology, Communications, and Transportation. But along with that comes the bane of the 21st Century civilian: The Political Reporter.

That's what sets Circus Maximus apart from many Uptimer-Downtimer movies. Instead of portraying some Downtimers as backward, arrogant, or haughty idiots, Circus Maximus does the reverse and shows the uptimers as vapid, arrogant, self-important idiots. Well, the protagonist, anyways.

Circus Maximus begins during the Great Journey, when our protagonist Donald "Donnie" Keyes is an American political opinion reporter with the New York Times sent to cover the 2020 Taiwanese election. Lost with nowhere else to go and no marketable skills, Keyes takes his chances and rides the first ship he can to America, just in time for the 1912 Presidential Election where he seeks to make a name for himself.

Unable to work at his former employer who think he's a crazed hobo, the journalist is quickly picked up by yellow media baron Charlie Kane, who takes a liking to the go-getter from the future. When asked about the kind of stories he wants, Kane simply tells him, "Donnie, I got my start chasing ambulances. If its siren is on, report on where it goes. If its siren is off, report on what it could be doing."

What unfolds is a cavalcade of comedy, misadventures, and social commentary that sees Keyes traveling across America, interviewing all sorts of famous figures, antagonizing them, and then writing about how his mistreatment in the most glowing possible way (for himself, anyways). Democrat, Republican, or Independent, it doesn't matter when everyone across the political spectrum is chasing him out of town after talking with him for five minutes.

Not even the election of Teddy Roosevelt stops him, as Kane promotes his top muckraker to covering the White House, which sends the shenanigans to even higher levels. One of the most-memorable scenes involves the Klan rally protesting Roosevelt, where Keyes, in an attempt to get an interview with the klan (who, funnily enough, are one of the few people who don't run him out of town), gets caught in a march into a Black neighborhood and accidentally mistaken for a klansman when he starts talking and walking like one.

As the story goes on, the story ends during the attempted assassination of President Roosevelt. Normally a shocking event that had galvanized the American people against the klan for the latter's attempt on the President's life, Circus Maximus does the impossible by actually making you laugh about it.

How? Well, when President Roosevelt is shot by his would-be assassin, good old Donnie Keyes is in the crowd, covering the event. By sheer bad luck, he is apprehended by the crowd by mistake. His screams of, "I'm a reporter!" and "Charles Kane!" are the only thing that stops the crowd from tearing him apart while the true would-be assassin is apprehended.

What follows is possibly the funniest scene ever, where Roosevelt rises after shrugging off six shots and then asks that they turn the would-be assassin over to the police. In response, the crowd does their historical rejections, but they then ask what to do with Charles Kane's reporter.

Roosevelt, for his part, asks if Donnie actually does work for Charles Kane, and the reporter responds with, "My name is Donnie Keyes, and I'm a reporter for the one and only Charles F. Kane!"

In response, the still-angry crowd asks Roosevelt what they should do with him, to which Roosevelt says, "Give him a sixty second head start before you run him out of town this time," before it cuts to black.

Is it a bit preachy? Yes.

Is it in bad taste? Almost certainly.

Does it go out of its way to portray Uptimer American political reporters as, as one character puts them, "Ambulance-Chasing Bastards?" Also Yes.

Sure, a lot of political reporters have responded poorly to the film's portrayal of them as, "Ambulance-Chasing Bastards," but if I'm being honest, they should watch it more than anything else. God knows we don't need more idiots doing God-awful reporting to sell some more papers.

Above all else, it's funny, and it doesn't take itself seriously, so you should watch it when it comes to theaters.

And for legal purposes, my editor has informed me that I have to tell you all to not chase political newspaper reporters out of towns or call them "Ambulance-Chasing Bastards." No matter how insufferable or self-important they may think they are.

Yes, even the annoying ones.

Melilla, Republic of Spain (Disputed), 4 April 1931

As far as warfare went, it was... well, it was fairly boring if one didn't count the constant barrage of drone strikes against the Monarchists' positions. Night in and night out, he'd seen countless missiles streak from the darkness, only to hit some far-off target in the distance.

He supposed that was what happened when the Africanists' only hope of anti-air were heavy machine guns. Could they shoot down one of those "Kamikaze" drones, as the Japanese advisor called it? Probably.

Did it matter, now that the Loyalists switched to using the higher-altitude drones from China? No.

After all these years as a war correspondent, Eric Blair would have thought he'd gotten used to the sheer lopsidedness of it all, even if he didn't mind it. Not when the alternative was an artillery battle where they simply out-ranged the Monarchists, followed by an outright assault.

That was why they were in Melilla. That, and about three months of besieging the city from both land and sea like it was the Middle Ages.

Old-fashioned as it was, Lawrence had a point about the continued relevance of siege warfare, and the man was an expert at that sort of thing.

It was boring, tedious, and honestly a bit dull for warfare while they waited for their opponents to either starve to death or surrender from starvation. But Melilla was once again under Madrid's control, and the the British Brigade would join the rest of the Expeditionary Force in their westward push towards Ceuta.

After that... Well, if he and Lawrence had their way, they would do it all over again and again until every Spanish stronghold in Africa was conquered. And as he looked in the sky to see the next drone sortie fly westwards, he had a feeling that this would be a matter of "If," rather than "When."

Capitol Hill, Washington, District of Columbia, United States of America, 24 May 1931

"Lies, vapidity, and a hatred for our fellow Americans," said Senator Johnson. "We all have seen what the future awaits us, if we do not act. Is that what we want for our country? To be at each other's throats every waking second so that some media tycoon can have a good Q4?"

"The Public Broadcasting Service is, perhaps, our greatest chance to avoid the mistakes of our future, ensure our children's education, inform the American people, and foster the growth of our culture beyond our worst instincts. Think about it: Our children can watch educational programs to grow up to their full potential, while the average American can listen or watch honest news programs that want to inform our people. Not inflame their tempers or entertain their baser instincts."

"So I ask you all, whether you be Democrats, Republicans, Farmer-Laborers, or Quebecois, to vote for this bill so that your constituents and all of our fellow Americans can be all we can be. I cede the rest of my time."

Senator Hiram Johnson had a way with words. He had to, when he was a politician. But when it came to these things, he truly found his voice. The Public Broadcasting Service was one of the few programs of the Lost History that almost every American could agree on, and that was hard enough.

But between all the backroom dealings, favors exchanged, and promises to the Quebecois that they would also include French broadcasting as well (in addition to Spanish for the Texans), the Public Broadcasting Act passed with a supermajority of support in both houses.

As his progressive colleague Senator La Follette read out the votes, Johnson could breathe a sigh of relief that the legislation he'd so passionately championed would become law. Yes, it would take time to organize the disparate community networks on television and the radio (in addition to setting up new ones everywhere else), but it would be worth it.

Between this, the funding for the Boulder Dam that'd been authorized two years ago, and the Federal Fire Safety Protection Act that'd been passed last year, Johnson had a feeling that he'd done a whole lot of good in a short time. Sure, these were all things that the United States had to do if they wanted to achieve the same successes of the Lost History, but it still felt good to do some good for California.

Disney Studios, Hollywood, California, 14 June 1931

"Let me see if I can understand this," said Walt Disney to the suited man, "The government is going to pay us... to make propaganda."

"Educational materials, Mr. Disney," the bureaucrat told him, "It's for our new Public Broadcasting Service, and we would like to have your studio do some animations for our children's programming."

"I'll admit," said Disney, "It's a tempting offer. Government contracts are always a solid source of revenue, but creative control and intellectual property are important as well."

"Of course," the man said with his continued calm monotone. "While the Public Broadcasting Service will have broadcasting and redistribution rights, we are willing to respect any previously-held copyrights and intellectual property you may have. Characters, settings, and the like."

"And how much oversight are we looking at? Will I have the government looking over my shoulder every waking second?" To this, the bureaucrat only chuckled, followed by a quick shake of the head. "I'll take that as a no."

"The contract is for an animated educational series. We will set some guidelines, but you and your staff are free to take any liberties otherwise... Though the Public Broadcasting Service has the final say on broadcase."

"Of course. And how many episodes are you requesting?"

"Oh, about thirty episodes for a single season," the man said nonchalantly. Walt could only hold back his shock. Thirty episodes at about thirty minutes apiece was... well, it was a lot. And the government was going to pay them up front. "But we are willing to offer an extension if the show is received well."

"It's doable. More than doable, if this up-front federal grant is anything like you're promising. I'll have to run this by my brother, but I think this is withing our means."

Now, Walt wouldn't add the part about how it would stretch his workers to capacity, even with the help of computers, but the money would be enough to hire on more staff. If he was being honest, the possibly of an extension after this year meant he could practically double the number of employees, but that was something for Roy to deal with.

"Do we have a deal, Mr. Disney?"

"We do."
 
I'm surprise that no one has brutally assassinated the entire Belgian royal family! The nightmare that is Leopold II is very recent in the Congo

The KKK should be blamed for creating the Nazis and mass shootings in America. Jews should sue them until they are bankrupt

Ethiopia should be much more democratic, progressive and prosperous. Same with Liberia.

Bob ♡ Abishola should be popular and controversial throughout Africa. Will & Grace even more of both all over the world!

Bands such as Linkin Park, Slipknot, Rise Against, Bad Religion, Falling in Reverse, etc should be reborn/reformed. Imagine Native Americans forming 1920s Slipknot to fuck with the Religious Conservatives!!!

EDIT: Nuremberg Trials on Steroids. Groups like the KKK and horrible people like the Pope need to be charged with Crimes Agaisnt Humanity

Ponzi Schemes should be punishable with either Death or Life in Prison without Parole. Albania's economy still hasn't recovered from the Pyramid Scheme from the 1990s!
 
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So, thoughts on all the feedback:
•No, atheism will not be a majority by 1950. There'll be lots of disillusionment, but most people in the 1900s were some form of religious or another. If anything, more people joined new sects since they saw the ISOT as an Act of God.
•Space exploration probably isn't going to turn most people Atheist. Some, maybe, but it's more likely to get people philosophical.
•We've seen some moral panics, but media like Persona 5 might be a bit more extreme in America. Asia probably isn't going to mind due to different values.
•Dawkins and others might get some following, but not too much.
•No, the MIB isn't going to steal all of the Vatican's money and give reparations. The collapse of the entire Catholic Church would likely destabilize the world, and that's before we get to the fact that the Director is a (lapsed) Catholic himself.
•The Saudis are dead. As in, the entire line was put to the sword during the Ottoman attack on Nejd.
•Nobody's assassinating the Belgian Royal Family for what Leopold I did. They can go screw off to exile in Denmark.
•You can't really sue the Klan. I don't think they really have assets you can take. And even if you could, you can't sue somebody for what they did in an alternate timeline.
•Ethiopia will reform, but it's taking time. Hailie Selassie is doing his thing to take power right now.
•Liberia is… Well, it's probably doing better, but the ethnic divides are a problem.
•Yeah… most of the world that isn't China or its neighbors is still homophobic, and Will and Grace wouldn't have the same impact it did OTL, due to different values.
•Cover bands are a thing, and since Uptimer music is public domain, you have a lot of cover and tribute bands. Mostly because they just like the music.
•This is mostly so I could put a ONE OK ROCK reference in there, but Uptimer J-Rock and its derivatives are kind of big in Japan.
•No, they aren't going to put the Pope on trial for war crimes. Or the Klan, either, since the Feds have been hunting them down for a decade at this point.
•No, ponzi schemes do not get the death penalty, but the state does get to seize your assets and sell them to reimburse your victims.
 
Kinda hard to see Taiwan as an act of 'god' when the vast majority would be seen as Atheists by downtimers. The historical trends today that are increasing the number of Atheists are now happening in the 1911/Second Sunrise Timeline and are accelerated

Spotlight, Atheist books like those from Mark Twain or Richard Dawkins, Internet and Secularization of Socities do lead to Atheism. Also better economy and higher life expentancy

Science/Teachnology beating Religion when it comes to beating Diseases, dominating warfare and influencing society also leads to Atheism

A gay Atheist can do a video in which he emulates Stephen Fry's response to 'What if he meets the Abrahamic god after death.'

Bone cancer in children, all-powerful 'god' that created such an unnecessaeily imperfected-cruel world, forceful constant worship and fly eggs that can only live by being insert into children's eyes!

The Church and church-affliated organizations will never stop doing horrible things to kids, women and the disabled. Means more lawsuits, more lost of faith and more religious people imprisoned

Thanks to the Internet, smartphones and TVs Will & Grace can be easily accessed by kids

Uh, the Klan has killed plenty of people from 1865 to 1911 as well as burn down countless buildings. Any powerful people with ties to the Klan, or any racist organization, ought to be sued by their victims

'Fun' fact: The Klan has killed more people that Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS and Boko Haram combined

The Congo should sue the Belgian Royal Family for the Five MILLION killed by Leopold II!

Spotlight counts as Crimes Against Humanity and since the Pope is the leader...

Ronald Reagan isn't safe. Gary Webb's ancestors, the African-American community AND Latin America in general would be keeping their eyes and drones locked on him

Taiwan should make Billionaires illegal until the first public space colony is built. That much wealth inequality is literally killing us right now

There is an experimental cure for diabetes. Not sure how much access 2020 Taiwan had to the data/research.

Generation Chronos, those born between 1905 to 1915 will be vastly different from previous generations. They would mostly be like the Uptimers but better. The next generation after that would be even more Radical than them

Economic terrorism like what Amerikan businessmen did by overinvesting in the British mility during WW1 should be a major crime
 
Kinda hard to see Taiwan as an act of 'god' when the vast majority would be seen as Atheists by downtimers. The historical trends today that are increasing the number of Atheists are now happening in the 1911/Second Sunrise Timeline and are accelerated
How could it be seen as anything but an Act of God? An entire island was sent a hundred years into the past without any explanation. You can't get much more blatantly supernatural than that.

People aren't going to be made atheists just because the island is largely atheistic. What they are going to do is debate what message God is trying to send by doing this thing.

Are the people of the past sinful and need to be brought back on the right path? Contrariwise, are they pious and the wonders of the future are being sent to them as a reward? Maybe this is neither punishment or reward, but rather a test of faith or character.

Since the island has many atheists, is God saying that belief in Him is irrelevant? Is He trying to save the souls of the Taiwanese by bringing them to a more pious time? Maybe He wanted to save the souls of the Chinese from the state enforced atheism of the PRC by ensuring that the Communists never come to power.

Maybe it has nothing to do with China and instead He wants a more correct form of communism to be born in France. Maybe it has nothing to do with any of these grand sweeping things and instead he just wants someone who would have died of polio to instead survive, but in a way that can't be traced back to Him because obvious divine intervention would change the results He's looking for.

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Look, I'm an atheist too, but you can't just look at something and make a blanket claim that it would support your beliefs without first examining things from the other perspective. Just because the religious are wrong doesn't mean they're stupid or that atheism is obviously on the face of it correct; people are going to examine evidence using their own biases and preconceptions and come to a conclusion based on their body of experiences.

Besides, life is so much more interesting when you try and see things from the perspective of people you disagree with, even if only so that you have a better idea of what to use as an argument to convince them of the correctness of your position.
 
How could it be seen as anything but an Act of God? An entire island was sent a hundred years into the past without any explanation. You can't get much more blatantly supernatural than that.

People aren't going to be made atheists just because the island is largely atheistic. What they are going to do is debate what message God is trying to send by doing this thing.

Are the people of the past sinful and need to be brought back on the right path? Contrariwise, are they pious and the wonders of the future are being sent to them as a reward? Maybe this is neither punishment or reward, but rather a test of faith or character.

Since the island has many atheists, is God saying that belief in Him is irrelevant? Is He trying to save the souls of the Taiwanese by bringing them to a more pious time? Maybe He wanted to save the souls of the Chinese from the state enforced atheism of the PRC by ensuring that the Communists never come to power.

Maybe it has nothing to do with China and instead He wants a more correct form of communism to be born in France. Maybe it has nothing to do with any of these grand sweeping things and instead he just wants someone who would have died of polio to instead survive, but in a way that can't be traced back to Him because obvious divine intervention would change the results He's looking for.

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Look, I'm an atheist too, but you can't just look at something and make a blanket claim that it would support your beliefs without first examining things from the other perspective. Just because the religious are wrong doesn't mean they're stupid or that atheism is obviously on the face of it correct; people are going to examine evidence using their own biases and preconceptions and come to a conclusion based on their body of experiences.

Besides, life is so much more interesting when you try and see things from the perspective of people you disagree with, even if only so that you have a better idea of what to use as an argument to convince them of the correctness of your position.

Even if there are Uptimer Atheists that would shout at the world how stupid Religion is and all the horrible things Religious people do to kids?

Uptimers should do a propaganda campaign EVERY YEAR to show how abusive, violent, corrupt, greedy and dumb Religious institutions and religious politicians are. Spotlight has been going on for TWO MILLENIA. That's MILLIONS of kids

There was a small clinical study done with Vietnam Vets years ago. Those with brain damage are 30% more likely to be religious/believe in a god

Uptimers should educate Downtime kids on Spotlight and other Religious atrocities so they have the freedom and knowledge to make the right choice (Inspired by an article I read on OnlySky)

Downtime Mexico should legalize abortion nationwide decades earlier than Uptime Mexico
 
Even if there are Uptimer Atheists that would shout at the world how stupid Religion is and all the horrible things Religious people do to kids?

Uptimers should do a propaganda campaign EVERY YEAR to show how abusive, violent, corrupt, greedy and dumb Religious institutions and religious politicians are. Spotlight has been going on for TWO MILLENIA. That's MILLIONS of kids

Uptimers should educate Downtime kids on Spotlight and other Religious atrocities so they have the freedom and knowledge to make the right choice (Inspired by an article I read on OnlySky)
So, probably worth noting that like 18% of the island of Taiwan is non-religious. Generally speaking, a larger percentage of Taiwan would probably consider themselves secular. That said, I'm willing to bet a lot of that 18% is more of a live-and-let-live kind, so you probably won't have too many atheists going around spreading their views.

At this point, the majority of the world is religious in one form or another, and going out of your way to tell people that their god isn't real or that they're stupid for believing is going to anger a lot of the world and feed into the "Godless Hedonist" narrative that has (unfortunately) circulated among more conservative and fundamentalist groups.

Seriously, going around telling people their religious beliefs are stupid is possibly the worst thing (from a practical sense) anyone could do right now.

MIB won't really interfere with religious institutions unless there is a geopolitical benefit, while Nanjing won't go around pushing atheism because it could cause a diplomatic incident. That, and the fact that 80% of Taiwan is one form of religious or another.

Are there more atheists in this timeline than OTL? Sure, but they are probably outnumbered by the people who would say they're secular-religious, which is probably where a lot of people will go if they get disillusioned. That, or other sects of a similar faith.
 
Look, I'm an atheist too, but you can't just look at something and make a blanket claim that it would support your beliefs without first examining things from the other perspective. Just because the religious are wrong doesn't mean they're stupid or that atheism is obviously on the face of it correct; people are going to examine evidence using their own biases and preconceptions and come to a conclusion based on their body of experiences.

Besides, life is so much more interesting when you try and see things from the perspective of people you disagree with, even if only so that you have a better idea of what to use as an argument to convince them of the correctness of your position.

That's kind of thinking is pretty much where I am when I write out chapters and short stories. People have different religious beliefs and ideologies, so they react to things differently. It's part of the fun of writing this story.

For example, I'm not an anarchist, but writing the Nestor Makhno bits is kinda fun because I get to see how somebody would try to make anarchism work with economies of scale, complex goods, and supply chains.

I'm also not a Buddhist, but writing the Buddhist missionary sections is a chance to see how the faith is a means for many to transcend the issue of the caste system in India.

Nor am I in favor of a command economy (which may or may not be based on my annoyance at having to micro everything when I play Paradox games), but exploring France's RISE system (which is based on the Chilean Project Cybersyn) is a good way to explore how people who do support a system try to maximize efficiency and worker dignity.

These characters, even if I don't agree with them, believe that what they're doing is right, and exploring how they react and interact with this (increasingly-wacky) world is what makes this a fun story to write.
 
Which reminds me: I need to write more about Buddhism and the caste system in India. Been a while since I updated that.

Oh, and the Middle East. The Hajj is probably going to see a lot more traffic, now that airline travel is a thing. Wouldn't be surprised if the Hashemites operates their own airline that specializes in that.

Oh, and Australia. Turns out there's a lot of space over there, so they're probably going to see a lot of immigration as part of the Accord's negotiations for Freedom of Movement.

Actually, that conference in Hanoi is probably done by now, so I'll have to write out all the Accord's economic and domestic agreements, from trade to freedom of movement to education and immigration.
 
So you are saying Uptimers won't investigate every religious institution for child abuse and other horrible things? Make it public information every inhumane act these 'holy' men and women have done?

I'm surprised nobody has assassinated the Pope yet. Imagine if it was you kid that was abused and the abusive priest was not only protected by Catholic cops but the Vatican itself, relocating the monster to another nation with better access to underage prey

There should be dozens of organizations formed to combat the largest Pedophile ring in human history. The Catholic church has been hurting kids since Roman times. I don't get why it's a problem for Uptimers to shout their lungs out

Conservative politicians are so screwed. Being religious would be seen as an endorsement of child abuse. They are in a Lose-lose situation unless they have the balls to prosecute Catholic priests, Protestant pastors, Jewish rabbis and the Muslim equivalents to the full extent of the law and beyond

There would be so many Lawsuits, each costing the Downtime Vatican Hundreds of Millions of Dollars, that the Catholic Church rightfully goes bankrupt

Does Taiwan know that Norway was considering stripping the Jehovah Witness of their non-tax priviledge back in 2020 because of child abuse?

I get the feeling that the Downtime Scandinavian nations will go full Progressive to be like their Uptime counterparts. Less religion and better economy and rights to make kids feel safer and better

Speaking of abuse, Police Brutality pretty much ends in the US and abroad. Body cameras will be mandatory and Lawsuits ready to file
 
the thing is, china and china's notCIA cant fight the whole world. it still has its handsfull with the mainland.

In story, information on religious institutional abuses were published, and much much earlier than in real life.

but like in real life, it wasnt enough to unmake those institutions, much as someone like me or you believes they deserve it for the harm they have and continue to cause.

Getting the Saudis was a much easier spook operation than the pope, cause they hadnt yet had the chance to establish themselves and build up influence. The papacy had 100s of years and european colonialism to spread its influence.

This said, part of the greatwar arc imo should of included thorough investigations and remaking of the institution in occupied europe, China is already doing that for the european states/ monarchies (and like, personally, I dont see how the Belgian monarchy is more sarosanct than the Nejd one tbh.)
And it has historical prescedent in the remaking of societies post ww2. yes the scale is different but again, it would be a natural follow on from the peacekeeping and nationbuilding China is already doing, building republics and bringing imperialists to international justice/ due process.

Holding these institutions to account would create crises of faith, but it wouldnt remove religion. itd change religion. People would find new faith elsewhere, form new institutions.


what is the religious demographics of taiwan like irl? cause historically the concept has been used purely as "what do these people have instead of jesus"? and the real answer to that is that nothing works the same way as jesus except jesus. Religions are all very different and hold different grips and wieghts over society and individual conscious. Not all of them are as heft as the big J
 
Unitarian Universalist churches will become popular for the growing Nonreligious and those who leave controversial churches

The Flying Spaghetti Monster would make a much better 'deity' especially since his Ten Commandments are much better

Did the Nejd one killed 5-10 Million? King Leopold II did in the Congo

The weed business would boom which is good for everyone. Psychadelic therapy would help with many Anti-Taiwan veterans of this Alternate WW1

I hope arranged marriages decrease way down way fast. Decreases inbreeding and toxic religion

I hope militaries spend much less on infantry, tanks and artillery since drones are much cheaper and more effective. Social services improve the economy, reduce poverty, reduce violence and reduce warmongering

The sooner China builds a space colony the sooner humanity's future is secured. Overpopulation, Environmental Damage and Economic Hardships are a thing of the past
 
Okay, just throwing this out there, but the Post-Journey faiths are the ones that gained membership, along with more reformist sects of Christianity. The Catholic Church, for example, is undergoing a massive amount of reforms pretty quickly, but new religious groups are definitely gaining members.

FSM is a joke religion, and Downtimers would think they're insane if anyone joined it.

Space colonization is still in the future, seeing that urban planning is pushing for denser cities while a Green Revolution comes earlier.

Marijuana exists, but it's kinda used as an "off-ramp" for opium.

Nejd didn't even have 5-10 million people.

And for the last time, the Belgian royal family isn't going to get assassinated by the Chinese not-CIA as punishment for the Congo.
 
what is the religious demographics of taiwan like irl?
Like 3% Christian, 18% irreligious, and the rest are a combination of Eastern religions.
itd change religion. People would find new faith elsewhere, form new institutions.
That's pretty much what's happening with Christianity. New-Age (for lack of a better term) sects are a thing, like the Testers.

When one's religion is interwoven with their culture, those are hard to change. Factor in the growing influence of the Classical Radicals across Catholic Europe, Catholic Americas, and the Philippines, and they're more likely to reform than leave.
 
So you are saying Uptimers won't investigate every religious institution for child abuse and other horrible things? Make it public information every inhumane act these 'holy' men and women have done?
Almost forgot, but they have been.

Like, the Magdalene Laundries in Ireland are (in-story) being torn apart, and churches across Europe are under a lot of scrutiny.

Will it cause the destruction of the Catholic Church? No.

At most, you'll see some people leave, others become lapsed, and a general sense of secularist sentiment since the Church just lost a whole lot of its Sacred Cow status. You'll see governments seize property, but the Church will still exist.

Will it give the reformists a lot of power in the Church? Yes, and that's been happening for over ten years in the story.
 
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