A Second Sunrise: Taiwan of 2020 Sent Back to 1911

Poor bastards, but they aren't surrendering, and we can't cut them off down the streets.
Another thing I forgot the first time, is that fleeing enemy soldiers that doesn't regroup and come back to fight you , tends to turn bandit and start preying on the local civilian population around this day and age.

"We'd need, let's see... We'd need about twenty-five flights to transport all of the prisoners back to Taiwan."
It is very risky to try to transport prisoners on a plane not designed to handle hostile passengers. If the prisoners mutiny the security team will be badly outnumbered, without any real choke-points to control or defend and can't shoot freely for fear of depressurizing the plane.

Better to just setup a POW camp near water, somewhere close by and just wait for the prisoner exchange after the war. Make sure to charge the Tsar for all the supplies you use on the prisoners.

The only prisoners that are worth transporting are those that need serious medical attention and high ranking officers or other such HVTs.




As an aside , what's Taiwan doing on the propaganda front?

Right now, while the majority of people aren't sure what to make of the New China, is the perfect time to get in front of the public opinion and paint a picture of a small but scrappy underdog desperately trying free their people from a oppressive Emperor while at the same time holding off the warmongering Imperial Powers.

Make sure to point out all the evil shit things the Imperial Powers historically did in their colonies, graphically with as many pictures as possible to really hammer in the point that they are indeed the "Bad Guys".
It's critically important to swing U.S. public opinion as far away from the hostile Powers and towards China as possible , make sure to point out that you are a liberal democracy and most of the Hostile Powers are not.

Another possible way to swing public opinion is to offer medical knowledge and personnel to friendly and allied nations only , (this could get Russia to cease hostility right away?) , maybe point out that any attack on Taiwan could endanger this precious gift of life from the future?
 
Right now, while the majority of people aren't sure what to make of the New China, is the perfect time to get in front of the public opinion and paint a picture of a small but scrappy underdog desperately trying free their people from a oppressive Emperor while at the same time holding off the warmongering Imperial Powers.

On the Mainland, I could see the Revolutionaries painting themselves as more competent than the Qing in every way. They can compare and contrast between the two, as the Qing got their asses kicked twice by Japan in recent memory (1895 and 1899), yet the Revolutionaries managed to sink the entirety of the IJN they'd sent to fight.

As for everyone else, yeah, basically. Here you have a country that is basically seen as an underdog after the last 100 years. And here they are fighting off three empires. And winning.

Make sure to point out all the evil shit things the Imperial Powers historically did in their colonies, graphically with as many pictures as possible to really hammer in the point that they are indeed the "Bad Guys".
It's critically important to swing U.S. public opinion as far away from the hostile Powers and towards China as possible , make sure to point out that you are a liberal democracy and most of the Hostile Powers are not.

I'll be honest, it probably isn't that hard to convince Chinese people in 1911 that the imperial powers are dicks. Seeing that the Opium Wars and the Boxer Rebellion, not to mention the Unequal Treaties are in recent memory. Like, you don't have to go that far to come up with evidence that they're dicks.

As for the US, I think the main idea will be saying, "This, right here, is our revolution. The Qing are our British and the Russian and Japanese are the Hessians. And unlike those Russians, Japanese, and the Qing, we love democracy!"

The intent will be to get the Americans to, in effect, go "THEY'RE JUST LIKE ME, FOR REAL!"

Which will also be fairly simple, if I'm honest, seeing that 1911 America thinks the Russians are dicks for the pogroms, the Qing are backwards for the Boxer Rebellion. The one issue would be Japan, but painting them as a bunch of Freedom-Haters is probably China's best bet with the US.
 
The 747-I has a range of over seven thousand miles, while a round trip for us is only about seven thousand kilometers. Factoring a weight of six pounds per gallon of gasoline-"

"Wait, why are you using metric?"
I believe you meant Imperial. Whether it's UK or US Imperial is ambiguous. Pounds and gallons are not used in the Metric System.
 
Chapter 25: Divide and Conquer
Skies Above Manturikha, Buryatia, Russian Empire, 9 October 1911

"Qilin, this is Crane 1. Approaching the marked position. Beginning attack, over."

"You're cleared to begin the attack," the once-Singaporean AWACS told them. "Make every shot count. These bombs don't grow on trees, you know."

"Copy, Qilin. Crane 1, bombs away."

Over on the screen, the Major saw it again. Another direct on another railway bridge, its explosion lighting up the screen.

"Good effect on target, Crane 1. Crane 2, begin attack run."

"On it, Qilin," the pilot told him, before another explosion lit up the screen. This one destroyed the other side of the bridge, knocking it into the water as well.

"Good work, Crane 2. Crane Squadron, link up with Peacock Squadron and move north. We're going after the ferries today."

"Aren't those civilian transports?" Crane 3 asked him. "Thought they were off-limits."

"Affirmative," Qilin told him. "But it's almost midnight up here, so they're both in port. We'll take them out with the rest of our ordinance. Got it?"

"Works for me," Peacock 1 said over the radio. "Let's move."

The flight north was, above all things, pretty uneventful that dark night. Of course, night-vision meant that they could see everything in a green-tinted hue, but the Russians in Irkutsk wouldn't.

Honestly, as far as they were concerned, the Russians probably thought that saboteurs attacked the bridges the last time.

Or the time before that.

Either way, they were back to using the ferries over Lake Baikal again, just as HISTINT said they had before the route around the lake had been finished.

To that end, Peacock Squadron had been outfitted with anti-ship missiles for the two ferries in port, plus Crane's remaining bombs.

"All planes, we are approaching the target," Qilin announced to both squadrons. "Peacock, you go in first. Fire your Harpoons at will."

"On it, Peacock 1 radioed in, and he could hear the launches over the radio. "Missiles away."

The Major in the AWACS looked over to the screen to see the missiles slam into the hulls of both ships. Their hulls pierced, smoke quickly rose out the side and the top.

Then came the fires, lighting up the screen between the ever-growing plumes of smoke.

And then a load explosion roared through the air, while the flash itself blinded the camera for a second.

"Looks like you hit the coal bunkers, Peacock," Qilin told the leader, before looking back at the screen. Now that the explosion was gone, he could see the ships sinking in port as the city awoke. "Both ships are sinking. Looks like they'll be out of action for a long time."

"Want us to finish them off?" Crane 1 offered. "3 and 4 still have their bombs."

"Hold off on them for now," Qilin said quickly. "Like I said, we need every one of these we can get. Let's link up with the tanker and RTB. Good job."

Bridge Over the Yalu River, Choson-Manchurian Border, 10 October 1911

General Ueda Arisawa had a simple mission: Move into Manchuria and secure it for the Empire. To do this, he had the Japanese Korean Army move across the Yalu River into the region to occupy, or as they had put it, "intervene" in the region on behalf of the Qing.

To that end, he had an army of two hundred thousand at his disposal, with at least fourteen thousand more from the Kwantung Garrison to assist. And as the commander of the unit with the most troops, he would be the one to lead this expedition.

It wasn't as simple as that, however, given what short notice he'd had, but he'd managed to pull it off.

On such short notice, he had mobilized his men, as well as the reinforcements, and moved them north to the Yalu River crossing. After which they would meet with the Qing under General Zhang Zuolin and occupy Jilin and Shengjing, building up defenses against the Russians and the Chinese while suppressing any would-be uprisings.

Or to put it another way, he would be laying the groundwork for a de-facto control of the region, possibly with an annexation happening in the next decade or so. Assuming they could settle enough people while also integrating themselves into both the civil and the military administration, the Japanese presence could be negotiated as part of a second Taft-Katsura agreement.

That said, this wouldn't be easy. Even though they only controlled half of the region, Manchuria was still the size of Korea, and they still had to control Korea itself.

Truth be told, this would be a long project for them, he decided, as the rest of his forces pulled themselves across the bridge, with the supply convoy not far behind.

It was at that moment that he heard a load roar in the distance, off to the west.

He looked around, trying to find just where it came from, but he could see nothing.

"Up there!" Colonel Arakawa shouted as they turned towards the early-dawn sky. "What is that?"

The general could only look in wonder as the triangular object- no, objects came in towards them at breakneck pace.

Russian? No, it couldn't be. Do they even have planes?

Then it has to be the Revolutionaries. But how? Did they have airplanes that could fly all the way here?


He soon got his answer as the planes closed in on the bridge, dropping multiple weapons from their wings.

And then it hit them.

Load explosions roared behind him as the bombs- he thought they were bombs, landed on the bridge, sending metal and splinters all around them.

Arisawa himself was knocked off his feet by the shockwave, falling forward onto the ground in front of him.

And then came the next explosion, then another, and on and on again until his ears rang so loudly he might as well be deaf.

The general groaned and pulled himself off the ground. He stood up and dusted himself off, trying to get the dirt off his uniform as he tried to see just what had happened.

He looked at the bridge behind him to see that it was gone.

No, not exactly. The ends attaching them to the shore were there, but the bridges themselves were well into the Yalu River, along with the men and supplies that were unlucky enough to be crossing at that time.

Behind them, the rest of the supply line was similarly wrecked, their cargo burnt and their men screaming in pain or pulling their comrades off to the side.

And then the roaring came back.

He could see it in the sky, how the triangular airplanes turned so smoothly, only to make a beeline towards him and his men.

"Open fire! Open fire!" he shouted to his soldiers on the far side of the river. Men from the IJA unshouldered their rifles and started aiming at the sky, firing round after round from their bolt-action rifles.

Yet the airplanes kept flying towards them, numbering two dozen strong.

And again, they dropped their bombs.

"Get down!" he shouted at the men around him, "Get down!"

The explosions were even louder this time, and he could feel the heat from the blasts as the ground around him seemed to catch on fire. After that, the ringing came back, louder than the explosions.

He could hear the planes fly over, but he refused to get up. Not out of cowardice, but out of sheer practicality.

It took seconds for the airplanes to fly away, but those seconds felt like minutes. But soon enough, the planes had gone off into the distance, far enough away that they became only small dots in the sky.

He looked around him once more to see nothing but death.

His men, the men he'd just been assigned to, were strewn all around him.

Some were alive and coughing their lungs out from the smoke. Others were alive and broken, of them many were in pieces.

And the rest? He would see the burned and shattered corpses in his dreams until the day he died.

Still, he got up, and checked himself for wounds.

Somehow, the worst he'd gotten was dirt and blood on a torn-up uniform, but at least it wasn't his blood.

He got up and looked around once more, and saw the planes turning again to make another pass.

"Get off of the open!" he shouted to his men, but he wasn't sure if they could hear. "Get out of the open, now!"

"Run!" shouted another soldier.

"Get out of the open!" shouted a second.

All around him, men were running for what little cover they could find, while the wounded struggled behind them.

And as the planes came closer, he knew it wasn't enough to save them all, even if he himself had gotten to cover.

This time, there were no bombs, but the constant rattling of machine gun fire, tearing through anything that was still in the open.

By the end of it, all twelve planes had made their passes, and all twelve had gone over his men, until there was little left of them but charred and bloodied corpses, with a broken bridge between him and Choson..

Only then did he see the foreign planes fly back to the west.

Outskirts of Panjin, Shengjing Province, Qing Empire

"Jesus Christ," was all that Chen could say as the sheer number of planes flew back over his tank. "Marty, how much ordinance are we dropping on them?"

"A lot." Which, from the way he said it, sounded an awful lot like "I don't know, man."

"How do we even have this much ordinance, anyways?!"

"You'd be surprised at the amount of ordinance we have in storage, Mike. Besides, this is all the cheap stuff. We save the expensive stuff for things like bridges, remember?"

"I'll take your word for it," Chen figured. After all, it wasn't like the military kept an accurate record of all their bombs on Wikipedia… Or at all until recently, if he was being completely honest. "Any updates on the air missions?"

"Yeah. Air Force and Apaches softened them up real nice for you as you make your way to Panjin."

"That's a lot of ordinance for Panjin."

"Panjin? Mike, they're dropping dumb bombs and doing strafing runs against everything that isn't us across the front!"

Is this what happens when you're fighting three armies? Okay, two-and-a-half armies, tops.

"Got it. Anyways, we're approaching Panjin. Tiger Actual out," he said, before switching channels. "Here we go, Tigers! The Air Force and the Apaches have softened them up! Form up on me and move in!"

"We're approaching the city," Fa called up to him from the driver's seat. "Floor it?"

"Bring us in," Chen told the driver as they approached the smoking city. Just what they'd be expecting, he didn't know. But from the looks of it, Dragon Squadron had done a number on them already. "Enemy barricade, 400 meters!"

"Firing," Zhou called out. The tank shook as the round flew from the barrel, slamming into a barricade not a second later. "Hit."

"Reloading!" Chiu shouted, before slamming the round home. "Ready!"

"Enemy forces, twelve o' clock!" Chen called out, "Switch to the MG!"

Before the Qing- at least he thought it was the Qing- soldiers could recover, Chen opened fire with his .50 cal, tearing through the survivors as they tried to get their bearings. Zhou, meanwhile, cleaned up the stragglers with the coaxial MG, wiping them out by the time they crashed through the barricade.

"Barricade is down!" he shouted over the radio, "Tiger 1-2 to Tiger 1-6, follow us in."

"On it, Colonel," 1-2 answered.

"Dragon 1, this is Tiger Actual. Got any eyes on enemy movement?"

"Looks like you're clear, Tiger. No, wait, there's an enemy troop concentration at the city center. Moving in to soften them up. How copy?"

"Tiger Actual copies, Dragon 1. Thanks for the assist."

Before them stood another barricade along the street, with a few stragglers struggling to shoot them with anything to stop them.

Bullets, grenades, barricades, none of it was enough to stop the tank barreling towards them.

"Firing!" Zhou shouted.

"Hit!" Chen called down to them. "Floor it, Fa, we're almost at the city center!"

"On it, Colonel," the driver said once more, as they worked their way through the streets, blasting their way through the walls as they pushed towards the city center.

And then they arrived, out in the open.

Just like Beijing, only this time, the Qing were there. And if the Rising Sun was anything to go by, so were the Japanese.

There had to be hundreds, if not a thousand of them, all trying to organize any kind of defense, now that the Dragons had softened them up.

"Tigers 1-2 to 1-6, we have eyes on enemy infantry. Move in and start shooting!"

"On it," Zhou said as the turret rotated to the left, towards the city center. "Firing."

This round landed right in the city center, sending men and equipment flying, and even more running to cover.

"They're running to cover!" Chen shouted, before turning his turret and opening fire. "Use the MGs!"

The familiar rattle of the machine gun soon filled his ears as the bullets tore through countless soldiers. Japanese, Qing, they all died the same way as the tanks flanked around the city square, gunning down everything in between them.

"Dragon 1 to Tiger Actual, I have eyes on the city square right now."

"Say again, Dragon 1?"

"Repeat, I have eyes on the city square. Looks like the area's clear, so you're good to move up."

"Thanks, Shannon. Anything else we should know about?"

"Affirmative. The rest of the 66th is moving in to mop up as we speak. ETA five minutes. ETA fifteen minutes for the American volunteers to show up."

"Thanks, Shannon. Tiger 1-1 out."

Outskirts of Panjin, Shengjing Province, Republic of China

Jiang was impressed, to say the least. In about an hour, those tanks, followed by the APCs and Humvees, had not only broken through the enemy barricades, but had also torn through the city center and come out the other side.

At this point, there wasn't much left for his men to do as they drove through the city, where they could smell the smoke and blood the Marines had left in their wake.

Eventually, they got to the city center, where the Marine tanks were parked alongside their Humvees and APCs.

"You Jiang?" one of the marines called out to him once they'd parked. "City's all yours. Or, what's left of it."

"Is the area secured?"

"More or less," the Colonel told him. "Not many prisoners, I'm afraid. Seems that the Japanese were fighting to the death."

"I see. I take it you will be leaving, now?"

"Yeah. Just need to gas up and get going. Now that we've punched through their defenses, Command wants the 66th to move to Fengtian and start harassing them, before they can fortify the place."

"I see. Best of luck, Colonel."

"Thanks."

Qing Command Headquarters, Changchun, Qing Empire, 11 October 1911

The last day had been utter hell for Zhang Zuolin. Not only had the Russians arrived and taken over Harbin, but the Japanese weren't here yet. They were supposed to have crossed over yesterday, yet there was no word from General Arisawa.

And that was before the air raids that had targeted his men and the few artillery pieces he had with him. By the time the all-clear was given, he needed General Arisawa. More importantly, the artillery and machine guns that General Arisawa had brought with him.

"General!" an aide shouted as he ran inside. "General!"

"Yes, Sergeant?"

"It's Fengtian! They're under attack!"

"Are the planes back already?" That was the last thing he needed right now, but at least he'd managed to spread his men out to minimize further losses. "Captain, sound the alarms and get the Emperor to the shelter."

"No, sir," the Sergeant told him, "The planes haven't come back yet!"

"Then tell me, Sergeant. Who is attacking Fengtian right now?"

Ten Miles Outside Fengtian, Jilin Province, Contested Territory.

Truth be told, he wasn't much of a morning person. Not by a longshot.

Now, that wasn't exactly the best thing when he was a commander, but he had his ways.

Coffee. It was lots of coffee.

"So," Chen yawned as he poured himself a cup from the kettle. It was still early in the morning, so there weren't many awake, outside of the men who'd volunteered for sentry duty. "Anyone want one?"

"I'll take one," Fa answered, and Chen poured him a cup. "Thanks, Colonel."

"See anything?"

"Nothing major, Colonel," the driver yawned, "Just a whole lot of nothing."

"Thought so. You'd catch 'em with your NVGs if you did."

"Yeah. So, when is the rest of the army showing up?"

"Let's see… The Lincolnites-"

"Who?"

"The American Volunteer Battalion," Chen explained. "They got here with us as part of the vanguard, while the 77th and some of the Army took Anshan last night once we broke through their lines. Think the 99th are headed down south towards Dalian with another chunk."

"Right. Think they can take it?"

"Once the Air Force wakes up and starts dumb bombing the place? Probably."

"So, who are we waiting on?"

"The rest of the Army's a bit slower than we are, and they're mopping up. Marty- er, Major Li said that Huang should be here in about fifteen."

"That slow, huh?"

"Hey, not everyone drives like you, kid."

"Fair enough." Fa would've said more, but the two of them could hear the rumble of trucks at the edge of the camp. "Think that's them?"

"Well, they aren't shooting, so probably," Chen told him as he ran off, "You coming with?"

"Sure!" Fa called after him, and the younger man ran after him.

A minute later, they were face-to-face with General Huang.

"Good work, Colonel," the revolutionary told him. "I trust that the area is secure?"

"Of course, sir. Should be some area for your troops to set up their camp. Figure your men could use a rest."

"Of course, Colonel," Huang said before motioning to his officers. "I'll send some men to take over once they wake up."

"Much appreciated," Chen said, and Huang gave a polite nod, before walking off.

"So," Li said to Chen. "You ever been to Changchun?"

"Nah. You?"

"Classified."

"Of course it is. Hey, Marty?"

"Yeah?" his old friend yawned. "What's up?"

"Not much. Just about time you guys got here."
 
So, if you're a Russian or Japanese soldier in October 1911, there's some good news and some bad news:

Good News: The Chinese aren't using as many modern bombs! They must be running out!

Bad News: They're using them to blow up the bridges you need to supply your armies.

Good News: That means they are switching tactics!

Bad News: Their new tactics involve dropping the cheap stuff they have a lot more of.
 
Found this story and enjoying it so far! Looking forward to see if the RoC can successfully integrate mainland china and how it deals with the Europeans, the Americans and other local asian countries (occupied territoriwes)
 
Found this story and enjoying it so far! Looking forward to see if the RoC can successfully integrate mainland china and how it deals with the Europeans, the Americans and other local Asian countries (occupied territories)

Well, thank you!

Now, I'll try not to give too many spoilers, but there's been a few hints at integration, I think Chapter 13 goes over the main plans about how it would work. That was a while back though, and as some readers have pointed out, assuming the ROC can defeat Japan and Russia, that should massively increase the credibility in the eyes of mainlanders. Of course, it wouldn't be seamless, but Sun and Huang having a vital role in the Revolution should give the KMT the political capital to push for more modern reforms (Ending of Foot Binding and the Opium Trade, for example).

As for the Europeans and Americans, it's going to vary. A lot. Sure, the Big 6 try to keep a united front, but it's the European Powers. They don't particularly like one another, and they all have different interests.

And in Asia? Something interesting I read was that in the wake of the Xinhai Revolution, other revolutionaries in Siam and Indochina
definitely took inspiration from the Chinese Revolutionaries.

Of course, there's more than one way to gain independence. Problem is, colonial powers aren't the type to just let their colonies go, even if they were given a mutually-beneficial plan where everyone wins.

Would some agree to a hypothetical plan? Sure.

But others would reject it out of Pride or Greed or Prejudice or White Man's Burden.
 
Chapter 26: Stationary
Outskirts of Dalian, Shenjing Province, Empire of Japan 11 October 1911

Jiang had never seen anything like this.

Planes? Yes. Helicopters? More than once.

But to see this many planes and helicopters continuously pound the fortifications all at once?

That was something he'd never seen before.

Plane after plane would fly over the fortress and drop their bombs, only to fly off and let the next plane do their run, again and again, until they'd all fly away.

And then? Then the helicopters would come, firing their missiles at the remnants. Artillery pieces, troop concentrations, and anything and everything else that so much as waved a Japanese flag.

They came in as swarms, spewing lead from their noses and rockets from their wings, shooting at anyone who simply dared to carry a weapon.

Then again, this was to be expected. This was Lushunkou, or Port Arthur if you were a Russian and Ryojun if you were Japanese.

This was the main Japanese fortress north of the Yalu River, home to fifty thousand Japanese soldiers. Or at least it would have been, had the bulk of them not moved inland to secure the rest of Manchuria.

It was on that day that the planes came for the first time. These great, fast-moving machines flew across Manchuria (and if what Jiang was hearing was to be believed, even to the border of Korea), dropping their bomb after bomb on the advancing Japanese troops, followed by a swarm of helicopters annihilating the stragglers.

And that was before Jiang and his men had run into them. Or rather, the 99th Marine Brigade charged headfirst into the Japanese with their tanks, followed by the Army rushing through the gaps in their trucks.

All in all, it was a slaughter for the Japanese, with three quarters of their men and equipment dead or chased down by the Chinese.

And the rest? Those "lucky" few thousand who were kept as a skeleton crew around Dalian?

Those were the ones being bombed to hell and back as he safely watched, miles away.

This wouldn't be the first battle fought there, after all. Or the second.

It would be the third. Quite literally, if you were part of the IJA.

But all three battles were over this small peninsula and the fortress inside. And in all three battles, it would be a bloody fight. That is, if they outright assaulted it instead of bombing it into the ground.

And then it hit him.

Jiang suddenly remembered why his side wanted to bomb the IJA into smithereens, even after the small defense fleet was sunk at dawn.

To be precise, there were actually two reasons.

The first was that assaulting fortifications was costly. You needed at least a three-to-one ratio to have any chance of success, or so he'd been told, and even then the attackers could take heavy casualties.

If they could soften the Japanese up as much as possible, possibly to the point of surrender, then why wouldn't they? Even if most of the fortifications were against an amphibious assault, there were fortifications among the hills. Or at least there had been, before the air strikes.

But the second reason happened fifteen years ago, during the Battle of Lushunkou in the Sino-Japanese War. To be more precise, it was what happened afterwards.

See, the Japanese fought a bloody house-to-house assault against the city back then. And even then it was a fortress, defended by several German-built fortifications and artillery.

But in the aftermath, the Japanese retaliated by slaughtering hundreds, if not thousands, of civilians, largely under the pretense that it was revenge for the killing of Japanese Prisoners of War in Korea.

If he was being honest, he didn't know which it was: Overwhelming Firepower or Revenge?

Or was it both? It could very well be both.

But if he was being completely honest, he didn't particularly care about which it was, so long as it got the job done. Any love he had for his former hosts had gone away the moment they sided with the Qing.

What mattered was that they would take the fortress and wipe the Japanese off the peninsula.

And a few hours later, he'd get his wish.

Between Changchung and Fengtian, Jilin Province, Qing Empire

"Tiger Actual, this is Dragon 1. Qing Reinforcements are in sight. Looks like they're coming from Changchung."

"Thanks, Dragon. You guys want to deal with this one?"

"Negative, Tiger. We're about out of rockets after hitting the city itself. Need to go back to rearm, unless you want us to cover you with the chaingun?"

"Affirmative, Dragon 1. We could use the extra firepower."

"Good idea" she told him over the radio.

"How long are we talking, Shannon?"

"More cars than I could count. Look like passenger cars with some artillery on the flatbeds. Definitely military."

"No civilians?"

"I don't think Zhang is dumb enough to waste space that could be filled with more soldiers."

"Fair enough, Dragon 1. Lead the way."

Fengtian, Jilin Province, Republic of China

"Iraq, huh?" Diamond asked Le. "What part of Fengtian reminds you of Iraq?"

"Let's see…" the Army vet recalled… "We're occupying a large city once ruled by a military strongman that fell in record time, in spite of him having more people than we do. There's also the sheer superior firepower we have over them, not to mention the enormous disparity in casualties."

"I see. Wait, how old are you again?"

"Thirty. But I'm talking about Iraq back in '03, years before I enlisted. By the time I showed up, we were mainly fighting insurgents."

"That's not part of your comparison, right?"

"Oh God no. We actually made sure to make our enemy force disarm and stand down. Sure, you could argue that we don't have enough men, but at the same time, we aren't exactly foreign conquerors."

"Yeah, we actually get welcomed as liberators. The higher ups have a plan, right?"

"I'd bet good money on it. The War on Terror had a lot of things go wrong, but at least we learned something from it. Hopefully."

With how many historians we have as advisors, we probably won't make the same mistakes.

Then again, we could probably get away with that by none of our people being named "Donald Rumsfeld" or "Paul Wolfowitz."


"Cool."

"I'll be honest," Cohen told them. "I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Something about fighting in Iraq?"

"Yeah. Mesopotamia. Used to be in the US Army, remember?"

"I see. So, would that make us like the American Army?"

"Pretty much. Just with a lot less hubris and crappier weapons. Similar casualties, though, which is nice."

"...Right. How many did we lose taking this place, anyways?"

"Two dozen WIA and KIA, tops."

"And the enemy?"

"More. A hell of a lot more."

Kinda comes with the territory of being outgunned to the nth degree, though. Pretty sure they'd put up more of a fight if they hadn't been bombed and rocketed non-stop yesterday.

And then overrun by marines in tank who blasted their way through your barricades.


From what Chen had told his commander, the local garrison simply wasn't ready yet. Truth be told, Le couldn't really blame the Qing and Japanese when the frontline was over a hundred miles behind them.

Yeah, this is what happens when you try to fight jets, helicopters, and bombers with poorly-armed infantry, horse cavalry, and trains (if you're lucky).

Was only a matter of time until one of these cities just up and surrendered.

Or in this case, surrendered after they were outflanked and surrounded by the Marines and then the Army while being perforated with the Apaches' chaingun rounds.

That, and the Marines outright destroying the relief column Zhang had sent.

Wonder how those crazy bastards are doing right now?

Between Changchung and Fengtian, Jilin Province, Qing Empire

"Alright, Tigers, we've got a train heading straight for us. Stay off the tracks and hold fire until they're in range."

The plan was simple: Get to where the train would be and blast it with tank rounds. That, and stay off the tracks, because this train was one of the things that could destroy their tanks.

Not the artillery shells or the possibly thousands of men on the trains, but the sheer mass of the train itself could crush one of their tanks.

Maybe.

Honestly, he didn't really want to find out, either way. Tanks didn't grow on trees and the Army took the rest of the spares.

"Dragon 1 to Tiger Actual, we have a visual on the enemy train."

"Thanks, Dragon. All Tigers, form a firing line and fire on my signal."

"Round's loaded!" Chiu called up to him.

"Fire!"

The rumble of the volley of tank rounds shook the ground around him as his gunners let loose.

In front of him, a dozen and a half tank shells smashed into the engine, but it kept going.

"Reloading!"

"Zhou, aim at the base of the engine. Fa?"

"Yeah?"

Rotate the tank around ."

"Huh?"

"Trust me on this. We want to get out of here ASAP."

"All tanks!" Chen called out, "Prep the second volley and rotate the chassis by 180 degrees! Keep your turrets aimed"

"Say again, Colonel?" asked Tiger 2-1 "Did you tell us to rotate our 180 degrees and prep the second volley?!"

"Affirmative, 2-1. If that train derails, it's gonna keep going. We don't want to be here when it does."

"Works for me," the unit leader agreed.

"Gun ready!" Chiu shouted.

"Aimed," Zhou added.

"All tanks, fire!"

Their tank shook as they let loose the second volley, firing all at once.

Chen looked at his periscope to see the rounds impact the engine again, from the sides to the tops, to the bottom.

The Loyalist shook from the impacts and flew off the rail, its nose slamming into the dirt to the side.

"All Tigers, retreat!" Chen shouted for the first time in his life, "The train's coming right for us!"

"Floor it!" he shouted down to Fa, who revved the engine. The tank sped off away from the train, or what was left of the train, as it careened right for them.

Chen looked out the viewport to see that thankfully, his men had listened, and they too were speeding off away from the crashing train.

He looked back to see.. Honestly, he didn't know what to make of it.

The engine had flown off the tracks and went sideways, then the next car had crashed into it.

After that came the second car, which flew off the rails and off the the far side, dragging the cars behind it as they crashed into a multi-car pileup that grew wider and wider as Fa frantically drove away.

Car after car piled up behind one another as the wreck crawled forward, until one car, which he could've sworn had soldiers on it, flipped over the pile and flew towards them, only to land where tanks just were.

"Step on it, Fa!"

"I am, Chen!"

It was only the first, he could tell, as even more train cars were sent flying, their cargo and occupants tossed in the air as the cars flipped. Again and again they landed in the tanks' wake, crushing anything and everything that was in their way.

Which, to his relief, was open ground, trees, and the occasional Qing soldier who'd been hurled forward in the chaos.

Jesus, how long is this train, anyways?

And through it all, the train kept coming, its massive wreck going along the path of the rails until it finally, thankfully, stopped.

"Slow down," Chen breathed over the radio. "Tiger Actual to all tanks! Everyone, sound off!"

"Tiger 1-2, still alive."

"Tiger 1-3 here. No damage."

"Tiger 1-4 here. I can't believe we made it!"

Chen could only take a deep breath as the rest of his tanks and APCs checked in. Sure, they sounded scared out of their minds, but at least they were alive and moving.

"Dragon 1 to Tiger Actual- Good effect on enemy train. Looks like it's a complete loss."

"Any casualties on our end?"

"Nope. Couple close calls, but you all managed to get away."

"Glad to hear it, Dragon 1. Thanks for the bird's eye view."

"Anytime, Tiger. Permission to speak freely, sir?"

"Sure."

"Holy shit, Michael," Shannon exhaled over the radio. "You guys actually did it."

"Yeah…" he breathed, and opened his hatch. Sure enough, there was a mass of wrecked train cars behind him. "Holy shit."

Two Hours Later, Between Changchung and Fengtian, Jilin Province, Republic of China

Honestly, Martin Li didn't know what to expect when he showed up. All been told was, "The 66th managed to derail an entire train of reinforcements. Send people to help secure the crash site."

But when he got there? He had to see it to believe it.

On one side were the tanks, the same tanks that he was always happy to see ever since Guangzhou.

On the other side had to be the largest pileup of train cars he had ever seen in his life, surrounded by Marines picking through the wreckage for survivors, or, knowing them, souvenirs.

By the time he'd found Michael, his friend was sitting on his tank and drinking a bottle of water while his men showed him a sword and fringed Japanese flag.

"...Where'd you even find this?" Chen asked his men. "Off the commander?"

"Yeah, found his body in the first car" Zhou told him. "Fa's looking over him for intel."

"Ouch. Wait, does he even speak Japanese?"

"About as much as you do."

"I sing ONE OK ROCK songs, Zhou. That doesn't count."

"He's a fast learner. Anyways, you want it?"

"What am I going to do with two-"

"Three," Chiu corrected. "Remember when we found Yuan's luggage train?"

"Oh right." Truth be told, they were stopping for lunch when they happened to find the wreck. "So, what am I going to do with three swords, anyways?"

"Dunno. Figured you might want to keep it, though."

"Sure," he said, taking the sword and flag. "Oh, hey Marty."

"Mike?"

"Yeah?"

"What the Hell did you guys do?"

"So, you remember how we couldn't destroy that railway bridge because we needed it to cross with the tanks?"

"Yeah."

"So, we did the next best thing and derailed the train."

"Oh, that makes sense." Which honestly, by all logic, it shouldn't have. "So, you managed to crash an enemy train headed for Fengtian, solely because you didn't want to wait for the engineers to build a bridge?"

"Yeah, pretty much," Chen said, before holding up the flag. "Hey, you want this?"

"Where'd you get this, anyways?"

"Dead guy," Zhou said. "Found it while looking for survivors."

"Sure, I guess," Li said, before looking it over. "Yeah, the museums would take this."

"Alright. Anyways, happy birthday, Marty."

"My birthday was yesterday."

"Yup, and here's your present," his friend laughed tiredly. "Also, I might've forgotten your birthday was yesterday."

"It's alright. Besides, you were busy," Martin told him. "So, how'd this all happen, anyways? Did Shannon run out of rockets or something?"

"I mean..."

"You've got to be kidding me."
 
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Status of Characters as of 12 October 1911:

Higa Akira: Still on that island, learning the internet.

Zhang Zuolin: Opium time.

Yuan Shikai: Got blown up by Zhang.

Michael Chen: Took Yuan's sword while he was driving by the wreck. Going to Changchun.

Martin Li: Keeps asking about Yuan Shikai's sword before Chen advances on Changchun.

Shannon Wu: Needs a drink.

Rachel Fong: Pouring said drink.

Huang Xing: Moving to Fengtian. Will be first General to finish a war with more men than he started with.

Sun Yat-Sen: Provisional President, Heading back to Nanjing.

Richard Hu: In Urga. Still recovering from getting shot by Sternberg.

Dexter Hu: Helping his brother in Urga. Trying not to make his brother laugh after he got shot by Sternberg.

Kenneth Ma: Chasing down Russians in Urumqi. They don't get very far.

Tsai Ing-Wen: Leading a wartime government.

Jiang Jieshi: Watching the Air Force bomb the crap out of the Japanese at Dalian.

Mao Zedong/Lei Feng: Handling all the POWs captured at Dalian. Still using alias. Somehow it works.

Ozaki Yukio: In jail. His imprisonment is a rallying point for those opposed to the war- Special Military Operation.

Captain Yagushi: Staying the hell away from Chinese aircraft this time.

Park Jae-Hyun: "Hey Colonel, when are we going to Korea?"

Laura Madden: Making a killing selling power tools to downtimers in the Philippines.

Emmanuel Sun: Selling power tools with his wife. Also can't believe that he found his ancestors.

Winston Churchill: Analyzing Chinese naval tactics.

Tsar Nikolai II: "The Chinese did WHAT to my armies in Xinjiang and Mongolia?!"

General Brusilov: "The Chinese did WHAT to ANOTHER BRIDGE?!"

Franz Ferdinand: "Well, at least they aren't fighting in Europe."

Wang Jingwei: Helping with the war effort on the Mainland, because at least those guys aren't paranoid of him.

Katsura Taro: "The Chinese did WHAT to Kwantung and our bridges over the Yalu?!"

Puyi: Being 5 Years Old.
 
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Status of Russian and Japanese-Qing Forces as of 12 October 1911

Russian Forces
•Attacked by air raids in Harbin area and along front.
•Largely unharmed otherwise.
•Supply situation will be dire come winter, if the Chinese keep bombing the railway bridges.
•Unable to send troops and supplies via Trans-Siberian Railway do to attacks on bridges.
•Also unable to send troops and supplies via Irkutsk railway due to ferries sinking.
•Still control Harbin, Blagoveschensk, and Vladivostok.
•Might not have enough food to feed people in area, plus thousands of troops.
•Mongolian Invasion Force either killed, captured, or fled to Russia.
•Xinjiang Invasion Force either killed, captured, or died in the desert.

Japanese-Qing Forces
•Cut off from Korea due to Yalu River bridges being destroyed by aircraft.
•Kwantung Leased Territory has fallen. Garrison was undermanned due to troop deployments towards Fengtian. Overwhelmed with airstrikes and helicopter strafing runs.
•Heavy casualties inflicted on forces traveling from Kwantung to Fengtian.
•Fengtian has fallen. Troops south and east of the city, along with the city itself were killed or captured.
•Fengtian relief train annihilated by ambush.
•Continued airstrike campaign on Changchun.
•Frontlines largely collapsing and disorganized due to Chinese mobile warfare.
•Choson-based forces sustained heavy casualties due to air raids while crossing into Manchuria.
•Choson/Korea is still held. Remaining garrison is overstretched.
•Qing Morale is low, risk of mutiny. Attributable to poor battlefield performance and heavy casualties.
•Japanese Morale is rapidly decreasing. Attributable to battlefield losses and constant air attacks.
 
Maybe they will buy Hong Kong if Brits become reasonable lol.
They could always offer a carrot.

In the 20th century, countless vaccines were developed, including smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella, influenza, and of course, polio.

Offering to not only share this knowledge, but also help produce enough supplies for Britain itself for even a few of these diseases could be one heck of an exchange.

Would be one heck of a bargaining chip for the Europeans leaving peacefully.

The only question is, would they take it?
 
Hmm well they be arrogant af on one side, on the other China just proved itself an unmatched super power.
My first thought was they were gonna have to pummeled but that's because I've read too much bashing in fanfiction. I think they will demand too much still.
 
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Maybe. But there's probably more than one way to encourage the British to give up Hong Kong.

Diplomacy, whether it's an alliance or threatening them.

Or they could, say, start outright uprisings.

Or basically find some way to buy Hong Kong off of them.

Of course, these are all ideas. They aren't guaranteed to work.

But if the Chinese Republicans could come up with a more diplomatic method, they'd probably use that.
 
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Maybe. But there's probably more than one way to encourage the British to give up Hong Kong.

Diplomacy, whether it's an alliance or threatening them.

Or they could, say, start outright uprisings.

Or quite literally find some way to buy Hong Kong of of them.

Of course, these are all ideas. They aren't guaranteed to work.
Buying Hong Kong would be as far as I know the only to get it early.
 
I've got a question that may lead to spoiler territory so you might want to ignore it but...

Who are advising all the Great Powers?

We know they all got future knowledge from all the citizens of their countries that got dragged downtime with Taiwan. So why aren't they getting advised to make nice with the new Superpower in Asia? If they have as least some uptime history , then why do they think trying to hold on to their colonies forcefully will work any better this time around?
Other than agreeing to not shoot themselves in the gut with WWI (doubtful how long that will hold given that they are still Great Rivals in close proximity with each other and any excuse would cause escalating tension and conflict), they seem determined to ignore anything that they don't like and isn't imminently fatal.

And what happened to all of their uptime citizens? Are they being recalled so they can more closely advise their current rulers with uptime history and knowledge? (the stuff that even a average uptime person casually knows cannot be underestimated)

And who told the Tsar any uptime history? Any uptime citizens would be from the Russian Federation not the Russian Empire. If anything those uptimers would probably more closely identify with the Soviets than the Tsar (the USSR was very through with their indoctrination and the Tsarist government did not leave on a high note).
I can more easily imagine the uptime Russians scheming to relaunch the Russian Revolution (like the MSS agents) only this time better with their uptime foresight , than help the Tsar stay in power?

Love this story man , can't wait for all the twists and turns.
 
Speaking of medicine, in 1911 a lot of it was quackery. Will they share their knowledge freely while still dominating exports of vaccines and pharma?
Have they considered the strategy of flying a plane over Tokyo and Moscow, make them surrender early?
 
Okay, I'll try to answer as many as I can:

Who's advising the Great Powers?

Nobody, really.

Not only that, but they aren't exactly getting fed info from their uptimer civilians. Most of them decided to stay in Taiwan.

At the same time, they're working with what they have, and what they have is a futuristic society that is managing to kick the crap out of three empires at once in rapid succession.

They don't really know how powerful Taiwan is. Not yet. But they see Taiwan (and by extension China) as a potential threat.

Not only because they are militarily strong, but they don't exactly know what the Chinese want.

It's a bit of a stretch, but it's kind of like the game XCOM: You have powerful countries banding together, but they all have their interests. The only thing keeping them together is defending against a (potential) threat from a highly-advanced force.

What happened to all the uptime civilians?

Short answer is that they all ended up with citizenship on Taiwan, and most (if not all) are planning to stay.

Long answer is that, plus needing to think about things from their shoes. If you are a foreigner who was in Taiwan, you could go back to your home country.

Problem is, your home country is either colonized so it doesn't exist, a full century behind on social progress, and the standard of living is much lower.

Let's take, I dunno, a Russian monarchist. Sure, their country exists and they might even be fine with the relative lack of social progress. But at the same time, they might not want to live in a country where the quality of life is so much lower than Taiwan.

Who told the Tsar about history?

Nobody, but information does get out. Trade leads to people visiting places like, say, Vladivostok. Those people interact with the locals and talk about the future.

Once information gets out that there are people from the future, the Tsar (in this example) sends out Okhrana agents to gather info.

Now, Okhrana is a bit notorious for holding the Idiot Ball, but they start asking those people from the future about what they know and telegraph it back.

Of course, there is probably some exchange of information in the form of printed Wikipedia articles, as books are either in English or Chinese.

But for the most part, it's word of mouth or tidbits, rather than people or books.

Of course, that can all change, but communications outside of China is pretty slow.

Also as a sidenote, modern Russians (the few that are even there, anyways) have an… interesting relationship with the Tsar.

On one hand, it's kinda clear that he screwed up WWI. On the other hand, he's also an Orthodox Saint.

And that's just the beginning.

Are other uptimers sharing info like that one weirdo monarchist guy?

Probably some of them. Thing is, most of them are basically random people who just want to adjust and deal with being time traveled.

Those that do would have to deal with the issue of basically being some rando that needs to be taken seriously.

Some, probably. But only a few, and they might not get that far. Ryan got so far through sheer dumb luck, after all.
 
Speaking of medicine, in 1911 a lot of it was quackery. Will they share their knowledge freely while still dominating exports of vaccines and pharma?
Have they considered the strategy of flying a plane over Tokyo and Moscow, make them surrender early?
Depends.

If they can use the sharing of medicine to get their territory back, they'll do it. Here is a place that could literally wipe out measles or polio, and all they ask for is their territory back.

It's a heck of an incentive.

But for the most part, yeah. They would definitely dominate the pharmaceutical market.

As for flying a plane over Tokyo or Moscow, well, Moscow is too far away and Tokyo is at the limit of their range until they start building more paved airstrips.

Do that and you could fly jet-powered aircraft over Tokyo, but anything civilian-owned can't really open mid-flight outside of the 727.

But military planes? I guess you could fly a C-130 to Tokyo if you bring the tanker.

Problem is, what do you do? Drop a large cluster bomb out the back?

Way I see it, the only effect this could have for the time being is psychological warfare.

And maybe a bluff or two.
 
Problem is, what do you do? Drop a large cluster bomb out the back?

Way I see it, the only effect this could have for the time being is psychological warfare.

And maybe a bluff or two.

Taiwan does have nuclear power, advanced electronics manufacturing, and a decent scientific establishment. It wouldn't take them a Manhattan Project level of effort to start a nuclear weapons program. The science isn't that complicated, and they can definitely handle the engineering. To date, they haven't OTL, since it'd enrage the PRC and alienate the USA... though there are strategists who believe that they'd be able to crash build a simple nuclear deterrent quickly enough to matter in the event of a PRC invasion. In a world where there are no nuclear powers to frown at their effort, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to expect them to match the efforts of 1940's America in months.
 
Short answer is that they all ended up with citizenship on Taiwan, and most (if not all) are planning to stay.

Long answer is that, plus needing to think about things from their shoes. If you are a foreigner who was in Taiwan, you could go back to your home country.

Problem is, your home country is either colonized so it doesn't exist, a full century behind on social progress, and the standard of living is much lower.
Also the Foreigners who might otherwise go home would probably not want to go right now given it is 3 years from the 1st World War.
Nice to see this Fic going down the information is really slow route, other ISOT's just have it go to fast without much warning.
 
Taiwan does have nuclear power, advanced electronics manufacturing, and a decent scientific establishment. It wouldn't take them a Manhattan Project level of effort to start a nuclear weapons program. The science isn't that complicated, and they can definitely handle the engineering. To date, they haven't OTL, since it'd enrage the PRC and alienate the USA... though there are strategists who believe that they'd be able to crash build a simple nuclear deterrent quickly enough to matter in the event of a PRC invasion. In a world where there are no nuclear powers to frown at their effort, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to expect them to match the efforts of 1940's America in months.
I don't think nukes are a good idea, nukes are bad mkay. Taiwan people wouldn't like it either.
That brings the question of how to stop other countries in a couple of decades from testing or actually using nukes.
 
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