A Second Sunrise: Taiwan of 2020 Sent Back to 1911

What would be a good name for the rewrite?

  • Children of Heaven

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • A Hundred Years' Difference

    Votes: 6 60.0%
  • Sun and Stars

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • The Second Sunrise

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • (Just call it Second Sunrise but make sure nobody refers to it as "SS")

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    10
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Thank you , this makes things a lot clearer.

Now, Okhrana is a bit notorious for holding the Idiot Ball, but they start asking those people from the future about what they know and telegraph it back.

But for the most part, it's word of mouth or tidbits, rather than people or books.
So the Great Powers are getting their critical information through people playing "telephone":lol::rofl:

And they are unlikely to get back any accurate intelligence until they send in actual agents/spies/diplomats to get a look around Taiwan and ether physically report back or telegraph.

It's a heck of an incentive.
It really is , if China/Taiwan is careful , they can probably just buy back all of their colonized territory with just medical knowledge and supplies.

Also the so-called Spanish Flu that's coming soon is not just restricted to Spain but is globe (there was just a lot of censorship in the countries fighting WWI to keep morale up)

Problem is, what do you do? Drop a large cluster bomb out the back?
Leaflets? Just letting the Imperial Japanese know that they are in bombing range might be enough of a wake up call to get them to back off?




On nuclear weapons, so the idea of nukes are going to get out no matter what as the idea of them is so pervasive that they practically shape the modern era. Taiwan will want to delay that day as long as possible but too many people know the basic of how nukes work for it to not get out.

And once people know that nuclear weapons are a possibility , everyone is going to scramble for them! And a lot of them are likely to succeed (remember the parts to make a nuke are build with 1940s technology and 30 years is not that long in nation terms)

At that point China/Taiwan will have to build their own unclear stockpile or be in a alliance with enough of a nuclear deterrence to make any aggressors back off. (The U.S. has been Taiwan's nuclear deterrence since forever so Taiwan never felt the need to build their own nukes , which are very expensive to both make and maintain)
 
Nice to see this Fic going down the information is really slow route, other ISOT's just have it go to fast without much warning.

Thanks.

Sure, the flow of information will happen eventually, but at the same time, this stuff takes time.

Now, there are efforts from the MIB to scrub some information from the internet (resource maps and the like) so that they can use it as a bargaining chip.

Still, general information will get out eventually, through the most unlikely places. And when it does, people will react.

That reminds me of one of Michael and Aki's sections, actually:

After all, he knew she wasn't stupid. Technologically-impaired, maybe, but not stupid.

That's my favorite line I've written so far, and only half because it's a reference to Weird Al's "Amish Paradise."

Because yeah, people from the past aren't stupid.

They might have different values and technology, but they can still manage to wrap their head around concepts and circumstances, then adapt to them.

Now, they might do stupid things *Stares at Tsar Nikolai II and PM Katsura Taro* but they have their own logic behind it.
 
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Going to be a bit late today with the next chapter.

But for a small hint, just remember that low morale will only get you so far before your men finally have enough.

And getting bombed to hell with impunity is definitely going to make it worse.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but if I had to choose between the IJA and Russian Army right now, I'd rather be in the Russian Army.

Sure, they may be slowly starving on the other side of the river, but it beats getting constantly bombed by every plane the Revolutionaries have on this front.
 
Taiwan does have nuclear power, advanced electronics manufacturing, and a decent scientific establishment. It wouldn't take them a Manhattan Project level of effort to start a nuclear weapons program. The science isn't that complicated, and they can definitely handle the engineering. To date, they haven't OTL, since it'd enrage the PRC and alienate the USA... though there are strategists who believe that they'd be able to crash build a simple nuclear deterrent quickly enough to matter in the event of a PRC invasion. In a world where there are no nuclear powers to frown at their effort, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to expect them to match the efforts of 1940's America in months.

I don't think nukes are a good idea, nukes are bad mkay. Taiwan people wouldn't like it either.
That brings the question of how to stop other countries in a couple of decades from testing or actually using nukes.

I think the better option here is not nuclear weapons, but nuclear power being expanded.

A single pacific crossing of a panamax container ship uses 50,000 barrels of oil.

Swap for a nuclear power plant and thar same journey is basically free. Of course there are complications of requiring specialized yards for them, along with training and design, but the Taiwanese are going to need nuclear submarines at some point, so they might as well go whole hog nuclear navy and massively cut their reliance on oil.

Oil expenditure is basically Taiwan's single greatest bottleneck, going the nuclear option basically solves all their problems at once. That and coal to liquid plants run off of nuclear power. coal to liquid plants process coal into petroleum, but this is usually far more expensive than drilled or fracked oil due to electricity and process heating costs. A dedicated nuclear plant supplying that energy actually makes petroleum products from coal cheaper than the cost of oil. Now that all the lobbying groups from oil companies aren't smothering that in the crib, and such technology becomes a national priority it can finally take its place in the sun and break OPEC and standard oil like it should have in the 70s.
 
Will china try to support anti colonialism in asia? I mean with west against them they need allies and best way to undercut west in though toppling their colonies in asia.
 
it can finally take its place in the sun and break OPEC and standard oil like it should have in the 70s.

OPEC hasn't even formed here. And if things go this way, it will never form. Which is a good thing, obviously. Plastics will still be needed, granted, so oil won't be totally outmoded, but if Taiwan grabs all the heavy elements it can, they can basically own the entire future tech market.
 
Swap for a nuclear power plant and that same journey is basically free. Of course there are complications of requiring specialized yards for them, along with training and design, but the Taiwanese are going to need nuclear submarines at some point, so they might as well go whole hog nuclear navy and massively cut their reliance on oil.

It would need to be a long-term investment, because right now, it's too expensive.

Let's take a look at carriers and subs. One of the reasons nuclear carriers and submarines exist for two reasons. They need to minimize the amount of tonnage devoted to fuel while maximizing the time at sea.

Not only that, but as military ships, they are expected to operate at a loss.

Meanwhile, cargo ships need to maximize profit, and nuclear reactors are infamously expensive.

Not only that, but cargo ships don't really need to be at sea for extended periods of time, just a few weeks from port to port, where they can refuel.

Long-term? It has potential, assuming you can get the costs down. There's definitely some room for at least some prototypes.

In the short term (next decade or two), it probably falls into the "Awesome but Impractical" tech, outside of R&D. China needs to build as many ships as they can, as fast as they can, and that means oil-powered cargo ships.
 
OPEC hasn't even formed here. And if things go this way, it will never form. Which is a good thing, obviously. Plastics will still be needed, granted, so oil won't be totally outmoded, but if Taiwan grabs all the heavy elements it can, they can basically own the entire future tech market.

So, funny thing about that.

Turns out that China has a stupidly large amount of rare earth material reserves.

Coupled with actually having the manufacturing capacity to use them, and China is definitely in a good spot.

Of course, there isn't really anything stopping them from making nice with countries in, say, Latin America who have vast reserves of cobalt and lithium, and coming up with trade deals to dig it up.

Probably make it a joint venture with the US so they don't piss off one of the few powers that isn't paranoid/terrified of them. Monroe Doctrine, y'know.

Sure, the local governments will know that China wants them, but it isn't like the former has any use for it right now. It's "easy" money, which ccan be used to help them develop their economies.

That, and they probably want to have strong economic partners outside of the Big 6, especially when China has a pretty good reason not to trust them.
 
OPEC hasn't even formed here. And if things go this way, it will never form. Which is a good thing, obviously.

So, funny thing about that... You know how like half of OPEC is in the Middle East?

Yeah... that kinda means that while there might not be an OPEC, the Ottomans are going to control a significant chunk of the market if they ever find that oil.

Russia would also do pretty well once they start drilling in Siberia, but that would require the Tsar to stop playing hacky sack with the Idiot Ball.

As for Revolutionary China... the South China Sea should hold them over for the time being, though they definitely would be looking heavily into EVs, but that would take time to be as cheap as ICE cars.
 
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Will china try to support anti colonialism in asia? I mean with west against them they need allies and best way to undercut west in though toppling their colonies in asia.

It's a bit of a mixed bag. On one hand, they probably want good relations with the European powers, especially when 2 of the Big 6 + 3 (UK, FRA, RUS, GER, A-H, ITA, USA, JPN, OMN) are already fighting them.

But there will definitely be an anti-colonial sentiment. Even moreso if the Europeans decide to not play nice and negotiate away their colonies.

But at the same time, Pan-Asianism is definitely in vogue right now, and the Chinese have usurped the Japanese as the champions of Pan-Asianism.

So I wouldn't be too surprised to see revolutionaries from Indochina, Indonesia, India, and beyond showing up in China and petitioning the government for help.

After all, they did that in our time.

And I'm sure there might be a friendly intelligence agency who just might happen to "lose" some guns and ammo and supplies and mercenaries-who-definitely-aren't-Chinese-Marines-in-disguise-on-leave.

Hypothetically speaking, this would get us into the very funny scenario where the MIB, the closest thing this setting has to the CIA, is an anti-colonial force that overthrows Western-supported governments.
 
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Okay, Quick Update:

Turns out the NBIS doesn't exist anymore, and it got superseded by the Military Intelligence Bureau.

So people like Agents Rachel Fong and Martin are being retconned into being MIB agents, because that organization still exists.

And also because I get to make "Men in Black" jokes.
 
Ok hear me out, it's 1940 now and China's government has Trekkies. How possible is a Federation with other countries? If China acts with altruism all the while profiting. I mean the third world countries btw.
Couldn't have Brits and other colonials done it if instead of exploiting colonies they made them equals.
 
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Probably make it a joint venture with the US so they don't piss off one of the few powers that isn't paranoid/terrified of them. Monroe Doctrine, y'know.
The US is paranoid of Chinese people around this era.

That said they probably would be fine to deal with outside of the Monroe Doctrine as they would get pissed at Taiwan muscling on their turf.
 
How possible is a Federation with other countries? If China acts with altruism all the while profiting.

An outright federation? Unlikely.

Something more akin to the European Union/NATO that is a military alliance and trade organization? Much more doable.

Ironically, such an organization would be one that is Pan-Asian with prosperity for all.

We could call it the "Greater East Asia Co Prosperity Sphere!"

For like five minutes, before Martin Li yells at somebody to rename it.
 
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Chapter 27: Unforced Errors
Moscow, Russian Empire, 12 October 1911

To put it mildly, the four men were anything but happy.

How could they, when they learned what happened in Xinjiang or Mongolia?

After all, that's why they were here in the first place, wasn't it? Reinforcements?

These four men, Diterikhs, Kornilov, Denikin, and Wrangel, were to be part of the second wave of troops sent to the Far East to reinforce and assist General Brusilov with the occupation and defense of Zheltorossiya.

To be more precise, Diterikhs, Brusilov's former Chief of Staff, would be in charge of this relief column with Kornilov as his own chief of staff. For their part, Wrangel, an up-and-coming officer, was appointed his adjutant, while Denikin commanded the 1st Corps of Diterikh's new force.

But for now, they were seated at a table, looking at the very reason they were all brought here in the first place.

We intend to occupy and maintain our hold on Zheltorossiya. However, the defeat of the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Army Corps in Sinkiang, as well as the defeat of the 4th, 5th, and 6th Army Corps in Mongolia has left our forces largely outnumbered.

In addition, enemy attacks have cut our forces off from the Trans-Siberian Railway. Attempts to resupply and reinforce our forces via ferry were also unsuccessful, due to enemy attacks on the ferries at Lake Baikal.

To that end, I am sending this request for supplies as well as Army and Naval reinforcements on behalf of General Brusilov. If possible, the bridges over the Trans-Siberian Railway must be rebuilt or repaired to working order.

Signed,

CAPTAIN ALEKSANDR KOLCHAK ON BEHALF OF GENERAL BRUSILOV

"Now," Diterikhs said to the men around him. "What do you make of this message?"

"To be honest, General," Kornilov said frankly, "I am surprised that the telegraph wire still functioned."

"It didn't," Diterikhs said plainly. "The message was transmitted to Lake Baikal, after which it was brought across via ferry before being telegraphed from Irkutsk."

To this, Kornilov nodded quietly.

"If I may," Wrangel said to Diterikhs, who nodded, "It seems that the issue at hand is that even if we are capable of mobilizing enough men to support General Brusilov's force, our inability to transport troops and supplies past Lake Baikal is a direct obstacle between our forces and General Brusilov's army."

"Indeed," Diterikhs nodded, his eyes focused on the telegram. With how long the man stared at the telegram, Wrangle thought Diterikhs was praying to God for a miracle. "Now, Denikin, what is the progress on the mobilization?"

"Currently, the Imperial Army is at almost a million and a half men. Factoring in the losses in Xinjiang and Mongolia, as well as Brusilov's troops in Zheltorossiya, we have about nine hundred thousand men available. However, the recent success of the Congress of Copenhagen allows us to redeploy troops from the European Front towards Zheltorossiya."

"I take it that manpower is not an issue?"

"Not immediately, no. However, further losses like those in Mongolia in Xinjiang may require us to call up the reserves. Should the Imperial Army attempt to conquer those regions again, we would have to mobilize outright to prevent a similar result."

"I see," Diterikhs observed, his eyes closed in thought. "And the supply situation?"

"We would need to pack enough provisions for both our forces and General Brusilov's forces," Kornilov explained. "If the most recent census is to be believed, there might actually be more soldiers in Zheltorossiya than there are civilians."

"Of course. Do we have the materials supplies?"

"Do we?" Kornilov asked rhetorically. "Yes. Do we have the means to ship them to Zheltorossiya? No. So long as the railway bridges are destroyed, we are in trouble."

"I see. And the supply situation?"

Kornilov turned to Denikin, who looked at his notes.

"To put it mildly, we are lacking in a number of areas, particularly artillery pieces, shells, motorized transports, and boots. While we certainly have enough to equip all of our regulars, the reservists would be poorly-equipped and the conscripts even moreso."

"What was he thinking?" Kornilov muttered. "Invading China despite being under-manned and under-equipped? And we're the ones who have to clean up this mess!"

"While I share your frustrations, Lavr Georgiyevich, I would advise you to not vocally criticize His Imperial Majesty. We have enough problems on our hands without any accusations of insubordination."

"Of course, General. My apologies."

Qing Army Headquarters, Changchun, Jilin Province, Qing Empire

Zhang Zuolin was not a happy man. Not by any means.

How could he, when the combined relief force sent to Mukden had not only failed to relieve the city, but they had also been annihilated.

Now, he sat here, in front of General Shiba, unaware of just what the two of them could do. Though the Japanese man was at a similar loss.

After all, he wasn't supposed to be the one here. No, this was General Arisawa's position, though Shiba had no idea where he was or what he was doing after he crossed the Yalu.

"It is unfortunate," Shiba finally said, breaking the silence. "However, it seems clear that if we are to defend, we must build entrenchments. Attacking the enemy like this would be unwise."

"Perhaps a more… unconventional approach would be better," Zhang proposed. If he was honest, he was out of ideas, but at least he knew what wouldn't work. "Small bands of soldiers will sneak out of the city and harass enemy forces through hit-and-run attacks."

"Surely you can't be serious, Zhang."

"Do you have any other option, Shiba? Attacking the rebels has failed. Defending against the rebels has failed. Now, unless General Arisawa somehow shows up with his reinforcements, I don't see any other plan than this or outright surrender!"

And we know that you would rather die than do that, General.

Shiba simply glared at him.

"My men will continue to fight until our last breath. We do not surrender."

"The two could hear a knocking on the door, only for several Chinese men to march in."

"General Zhang," the man, one of Yuan's subordinates from the Beiyang Army stated. "We are placing you under arrest for the murder of General Yuan Shikai."

"What evidence do you have," the bandit-turned general said, his hand at his hip, next to his pistol. "Lies and conspiracies."

General Shiba stood to the side, his revolver at the ready.

Off in the distance, Zhang could hear footsteps racing down the hall.

"Do not make this harder than it has to be," the officer told them. Even if his voice didn't lack the confidence that had to come with any mutineer worth a damn, his darting eyes betrayed him. "Put the weapons down."

"General!" Japanese voices shouted in the distance. Zhang recognized them as the Kempeitai who'd come with Shiba. "Out of the way!"

"This is Chinese business," the Beiyang officer said, his eyes turning to focus on the Kempeitai. "Do not get involv-"

And Shiba fired. The bang from his revolver rang through Zhang's ears as Yuan's officer fell.

One of his men shot back, gunning down Shiba with his rifle, but not before Shiba got a few good shots on him, taking the Chinese man down with him.

And then it started. Gunfire rang out all across the floor.

The mutineers were split, with half of them fighting off the Kempeitai and another half focused on Zhang and the still-bleeding Shiba.

Zhang looked at the man who had him at gunpoint, and he looked back, staring into the general's eyes.

And more importantly, not at Zhang's hip as the man drew his revolver and fired wildly, shooting fanning the handle like he'd done in his bandit days.

Six shots were fired, and six mutineers fell to the floor, while Zhang hit the floor.

He lunged for Shiba's own revolver, wrestling the bloody pistol out of the dying man's hands.

He turned to the mutineers, and they turned back. Zhang with Shiba's pistol, and the mutineers with their rifles.

He shot once, twice, and three times, fanning the handle again as he gunned down three more.

And then? Then he heard a click.

One of the other mutineers, bleeding on the ground though he was, heard it, too.

The man turned, looking at his former commander, and aimed with his still-loaded revolver.

And Zhang's world went black.

66th Marine Brigade Forward Operating Base, Outskirts of Changchun, Contested Territory

"What the Hell is going on?" Colonel Michael Chen asked, his eyes focused on the reconnaissance footage. "Marty-"

"Before you ask," Fong told him, "It wasn't us. Not this time."

"Okay, back to my previous question, then," Chen told the officers around him. "What the Hell is going on in Changchun?"

"The Japanese seem to be fighting the Loyalists," Li said bluntly. "Why? No idea. Mutiny? Brawl? Low morale?"

Or all of the above? Honestly, I'll take any of them, at this point.

"Well, this just makes our job easier, I guess," Chen figured. There wasn't much else to say, anyways,

"Colonel!" Fa shouted, running into the tent. "We've got somebody."

"Skirmishers again?"

"Not that," the tank driver told him. "He showed up on a horse with a white flag. Says he wants to talk to you."

"Okay… Did you check him for weapons?"

"Yeah. What do you want to do with him?"

"Bring him in," Chen figured, only for Zhou and Chiu to escort the Qing officer. "You wanted to talk with me? Here I am."

"General Zhang and General Shiba are dead."

"Huh?" More importantly, who the hell is General Shiba? "Is that what's going on?"

"More or less," the officer told him. Chen gave him a good hard look, and he seemed like he was telling the truth. Well, more like he was tired, but it did make sense. "Is that what's going on over there?"

"Yes. From what I've heard, General Zhang was killed by Kempeitai officers this morning, along with several officers. The Kempeitai, along with General Shiba, were killed in the ensuing struggle, and it spiraled from there.

"So now you all are fighting the Japanese in Changchun and the surrounding area."

"Yes."

"Okay, that makes sense." No it fucking doesn't, but apparently that's what's happening right now on the drone footage. "So, one more question: Why are you here, then?"

"We need your help. The bulk of the remaining Japanese force is in the area, and they're moving in."

"So why should we help you?"

"Zhang's dead, and the Japanese are bottled up in Changchun. You want to finish them off in Manchuria, here's your chance."

Or we could just let you kill each other, but odds are the IJA wins, and they commit another Nanking here.

Goddammit.


"I'll need to run this by my commanders. Could you give us a moment?"

"Of course," the officer said, before walking out the tent. Behind him were Chiu, Fa, and Zhou.

"We're going to need to run this by Huang, at the minimum," Michael told the officers. "Think they're telling the truth?"

"Recon says so," Martin told him. "And from the looks of it, they're too busy fighting off the IJA to try to betray us."

"Yeah, I know. Plus, we're fast enough that we can flank the IJA. Hit them in the rear with the tanks so they're sandwiched between us and the Loyalists.

It's not an original plan, but it's gotten us this far, hasn't it?

"Any objections?" The rest of the tent shook their heads. "Okay then. Marty, radio it into Huang. He's going to want to hear this."

"Think he'll go for it?"

"Probably. Helps that this time, there's no Qing general to betray us, right?"

Sugamo Prison, Ikebukuro District, Tokyo, Empire of Japan, 13 October 1911

Confinement was hardly anything new to Ozaki Yukio. How could it be, when he had been confined for protesting militarism multiple times in the past?

Of course, that wasn't to say that he liked being in jail. No, if he had his way, he would be at his home with his wife and daughters.

Which, now that he recalled, was where he spent his last time under house arrest.

Besides, he had his principles, and he stuck by them. And while he had his disagreements with his jailers, he had at least a modicum of respect to their convictions, if not more.

Still, this wasn't exactly how he expected it to pan out. As mayor of Tokyo City, he believed he had a platform to express his opposition to the Katsura government's intervention in the Chinese Revolution.

If he was being honest, this "Republic of China" was a natural ally, a democratic, modernizing Asian nation that sought to undo the Unequal Treaties forced upon them by the Westerners.

We ought to be kindred spirits, not bitter rivals, with how much we have in common.

That, and he didn't think that the government would arrest the Mayor of Tokyo City.

Which, now that he thought about it, probably explained the racket outside the prison. Crowds of young men, as well as a few women, were demonstrating outside of the prison.

Some were against the war, while others were against the injustice of imprisoning their mayor without due process.

Either way, the protesters were there for him, demanding his release. And from the sounds of it, they were getting louder by the day.

Of course, time in prison gave him much time to think and reflect. His first thought was of his family, but his wife and daughters were at the British Legation.

They were safe. That is all I need to know.

That said, his thoughts had gone to other things. Chief among them?

Why did the Prime Minister think that imprisoning the Mayor of Tokyo was a good idea?

No, he really didn't understand it.

Now, he was no stranger to politics and power plays. One didn't get re-elected to the Diet for over twenty years without knowing how the game was played.

But at the same time, this didn't make much sense to him. Outright imprisoning the mayor of the largest city in Japan was bound to have some consequences, after all. The crowd outside was all the proof he needed.

Sure, he was opposed to the war effort, but his opposition had been largely limited to speeches and opinion pieces in newspapers. It was hardly inflammatory rhetoric, anyways, echoing his own sentiment that the policy towards the Japanese should be one of co-prosperity as fellow Asian powers.

Was he that much of a threat? Apparently, the Prime Minister thought so.

But if the crowd outside was anything to go by, the people of Tokyo might not feel the same way.
 
1. God damn, Zhang going down like an absolute Chad. One less headache for the Chinese, but still is it weird I actually was kind of rooting for him to make it out?

2. My theory for the prime minister is either A) short sighted political move that is now backfiring, Japanese democracy is still very much alive and well. It didn't start degrading until around 1925, or B) current prime minister has military sympathies and wants to crack down by forcing the protests into riots
 
And we're back.

Now, if you were thinking that the Tsar was an idiot for not sending enough people, it turns out his officers also think the same thing.

As for Changchun, well, it turns out you can't get away with exploding the Prime Minister of the Qing Empire.

Also, it turns out jailing the mayor of your largest city on trumped-up charges is a stupid idea.
 
My theory for the prime minister is either A) short sighted political move that is now backfiring, Japanese democracy is still very much alive and well. It didn't start degrading until around 1925, or B) current prime minister has military sympathies and wants to crack down by forcing the protests into riots

Definitely a short-sighted action, and that's assuming you aren't fighting a bunch of people from the future.

Funnily enough, Katsura Taro was alse accused of being corrupt and having militarist sympathies in our own 1911.

Add an invasion of Manchuria that has seen hundreds of thousands of Japanese soldiers rapidly killed, wounded, or captured like it was the Gulf War, and he's in the Hot Seat.
 
Status of the Big 6 + 3 as of Mid-October 1911:

UK: "Why did the Japanese- You know what? No, we're not getting involved in this."
FRA: "Why did the Russians- You know what? No, we're not getting involved in this."
RUS: "I wonder if we can use rowboats to ship troops over Lake Baikal?"
GER: "Not our problem."
A-H: "Not our problem. The Archduke is antagonizing the Hungarian population again."
ITA: "Not our problem. We actually managed to take territory this year!"

JPN: "If Arisawa attacks, everything will be alright." "My Prime Minister... Arisawa..."
OTT: "Man, it would be so nice if we had oil like they have in Persia..."
USA: "POLL: So, on a scale of 'Yellow Peril' to 'Democracy is Non-Negotiable,' where do you see yourself?"
 
What is the situation in india?

Largely similar to our own history, for the time being. However, the successes of the Chinese Revolution are likely to inspire some independence activists.

You're likely to see the Revolutionary underground societies like Yugantar and Anushilan Samiti grow in popularity.

Who knows, maybe they will merge into one organization, like the Tongmenghui did.

Of course, you will have other groups like the INC pushing for a more moderate approach.
 
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Ghadar party still intact and indo german Conspiracy is no longer valid. Revolutionary movement more or less unified. Is there anybody from Taiwan tried to contact them? Indian community in there?
 
Ghadar doesn't form for two more years, but the people and the sentiments that led to Ghadar are already there in the West.

Not to mention that revolutionary-minded Indians are almost certainly going to travel to China for education and work. The lack of British officials to crackdown on the movements would definitely help them gain traction.

So while you might not see a "Ghadar" movement as it was in our time, you might see something similar, with some of the same people.
 
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