A Little Trouble in Big China - A Chinese Warlord Quest
- Location
- Buskerud, Norway
[X] Sun Yat-sen
[X] Plan: Remove the shackles of our past. The Sale of Aksay Chin to the British is a great humiliation to the Chinese nation proving once and for all that the Beijing Government cannot be trusted, whatever the name they choose for themselves the rotten core still remains. The Guomindang will remind the people again and again that it is the Qing that shamefully kowtowed to the Foreign devils in a massive propaganda effort within both our borders and outside it. Our military shall engage in an offensive operation to the north along the rivers taking care to ensure our supply lines are secure. We shall also establish our government following Comrade Sun's "Three principles of the People" Hopefully establishing a nucleus for governing our territories. Foreign diplomatic efforts should be focused to the united states to drum up sympathy and support in our fight for Independence and Democracy.
[X] Plan: Remove the shackles of our past. The Sale of Aksay Chin to the British is a great humiliation to the Chinese nation proving once and for all that the Beijing Government cannot be trusted, whatever the name they choose for themselves the rotten core still remains. The Guomindang will remind the people again and again that it is the Qing that shamefully kowtowed to the Foreign devils in a massive propaganda effort within both our borders and outside it. Our military shall engage in an offensive operation to the north along the rivers taking care to ensure our supply lines are secure. We shall also establish our government following Comrade Sun's "Three principles of the People" Hopefully establishing a nucleus for governing our territories. Foreign diplomatic efforts should be focused to the united states to drum up sympathy and support in our fight for Independence and Democracy.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
[X] Zhang Zuolin
-[X] Local empowerment: The turn of events was unforeseen nor desired, but at the very least Zhang faction can use the accumulated wealth to build up direct control areas with industries and commerce. Start selling industrial products to everyone willing to deal except the Japanese. Expand Xueliang's command and control over the army for reformation, allowing disloyal to be honorably discharged, in order to affirm grip and increase effectiveness.
The statement "that did not go as planned" is an understatement. Oh well, now it's just playing local warlord. The dice really doesn't like the north.
-[X] Local empowerment: The turn of events was unforeseen nor desired, but at the very least Zhang faction can use the accumulated wealth to build up direct control areas with industries and commerce. Start selling industrial products to everyone willing to deal except the Japanese. Expand Xueliang's command and control over the army for reformation, allowing disloyal to be honorably discharged, in order to affirm grip and increase effectiveness.
The statement "that did not go as planned" is an understatement. Oh well, now it's just playing local warlord. The dice really doesn't like the north.
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Muskeato
Aesthete
as much as I like Big Ear, I think this is some serious wishful thinking. No opium addict will choose to switch to marijuana.
Muskeato
Aesthete
[X] Zhang Zuolin
-[X] Local empowerment: The turn of events was unforeseen nor desired, but at the very least Zhang faction can use the accumulated wealth to build up direct control areas with industries and commerce. Start selling industrial products to everyone willing to deal except the Japanese. Expand Xueliang's command and control over the army for reformation, allowing disloyal to be honorably discharged, in order to affirm grip and increase effectiveness.
The statement "that did not go as planned" is an understatement. Oh well, now it's just playing local warlord. The dice really doesn't like the north.
How were the consequences of "sell off China" not forseeable
- Location
- Ural, Russia, Earth
[X] Sun Yat-sen
[X] Plan: Remove the shackles of our past. The Sale of Aksay Chin to the British is a great humiliation to the Chinese nation proving once and for all that the Beijing Government cannot be trusted, whatever the name they choose for themselves the rotten core still remains. The Guomindang will remind the people again and again that it is the Qing that shamefully kowtowed to the Foreign devils in a massive propaganda effort within both our borders and outside it. Our military shall engage in an offensive operation to the north along the rivers taking care to ensure our supply lines are secure. We shall also establish our government following Comrade Sun's "Three principles of the People" Hopefully establishing a nucleus for governing our territories. Foreign diplomatic efforts should be focused to the united states to drum up sympathy and support in our fight for Independence and Democracy.
[X] Plan: Remove the shackles of our past. The Sale of Aksay Chin to the British is a great humiliation to the Chinese nation proving once and for all that the Beijing Government cannot be trusted, whatever the name they choose for themselves the rotten core still remains. The Guomindang will remind the people again and again that it is the Qing that shamefully kowtowed to the Foreign devils in a massive propaganda effort within both our borders and outside it. Our military shall engage in an offensive operation to the north along the rivers taking care to ensure our supply lines are secure. We shall also establish our government following Comrade Sun's "Three principles of the People" Hopefully establishing a nucleus for governing our territories. Foreign diplomatic efforts should be focused to the united states to drum up sympathy and support in our fight for Independence and Democracy.
- Location
- The UK
[X] Plan: Remove the shackles of our past. The Sale of Aksay Chin to the British is a great humiliation to the Chinese nation proving once and for all that the Beijing Government cannot be trusted, whatever the name they choose for themselves the rotten core still remains. The Guomindang will remind the people again and again that it is the Qing that shamefully kowtowed to the Foreign devils in a massive propaganda effort within both our borders and outside it. Our military shall engage in an offensive operation to the north along the rivers taking care to ensure our supply lines are secure. We shall also establish our government following Comrade Sun's "Three principles of the People" Hopefully establishing a nucleus for governing our territories. Foreign diplomatic efforts should be focused to the united states to drum up sympathy and support in our fight for Independence and Democracy.
[x] Emperor Pu-Yi: Emperor of the Qing, Manchu noble.
[X] Plan: A Holy Eastern Empire - Invite all noted monarchist, reactionaries, and the zhang family into prominent positions of the newly resurgent Qing Empire to stabilize respected regions. Proceed to request foreign support in the form of volunteers, mercenaries, supplies, and tacticians to gain military advantage. Try to develop friendly relations with the japanese imperial family.
[X] Plan: A Holy Eastern Empire - Invite all noted monarchist, reactionaries, and the zhang family into prominent positions of the newly resurgent Qing Empire to stabilize respected regions. Proceed to request foreign support in the form of volunteers, mercenaries, supplies, and tacticians to gain military advantage. Try to develop friendly relations with the japanese imperial family.
- Location
- Florida
X] Sun Yat-sen
[X] Plan: Remove the shackles of our past. The Sale of Aksay Chin to the British is a great humiliation to the Chinese nation proving once and for all that the Beijing Government cannot be trusted, whatever the name they choose for themselves the rotten core still remains. The Guomindang will remind the people again and again that it is the Qing that shamefully kowtowed to the Foreign devils in a massive propaganda effort within both our borders and outside it. Our military shall engage in an offensive operation to the north along the rivers taking care to ensure our supply lines are secure. We shall also establish our government following Comrade Sun's "Three principles of the People" Hopefully establishing a nucleus for governing our territories. Foreign diplomatic efforts should be focused to the united states to drum up sympathy and support in our fight for Independence and Democracy.
[X] Plan: Remove the shackles of our past. The Sale of Aksay Chin to the British is a great humiliation to the Chinese nation proving once and for all that the Beijing Government cannot be trusted, whatever the name they choose for themselves the rotten core still remains. The Guomindang will remind the people again and again that it is the Qing that shamefully kowtowed to the Foreign devils in a massive propaganda effort within both our borders and outside it. Our military shall engage in an offensive operation to the north along the rivers taking care to ensure our supply lines are secure. We shall also establish our government following Comrade Sun's "Three principles of the People" Hopefully establishing a nucleus for governing our territories. Foreign diplomatic efforts should be focused to the united states to drum up sympathy and support in our fight for Independence and Democracy.
ThatGuyWithIdeas
Treize died for our sins
- Location
- Romania
Unless you guys want the empire to win this, Du Yuesheng's and Sun-Yat-sen's supporters should consolidate and vote to support one over the other in order to ensure that at least the agenda of a potential ally passes, and not the one of an enemy. (Tehnically, Du and Sun could be considered "potential allies")
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- Location
- Meycauayan, Bulacan, Philippines
Tipping information is already helping the KMT. It's just the Qing Empire will also receive information.
The Du Yuesheng Spy plan is an attempt to maintain a balance of power while Shanghai powers up.
Dadarian
The King of Queen's
- Location
- Queen's on the Shore
Discussions and political plays are all fair game here.
- Location
- Vicksburg, MS
[X] Sun Yat-sen
[X] Plan: Remove the shackles of our past. The Sale of Aksay Chin to the British is a great humiliation to the Chinese nation proving once and for all that the Beijing Government cannot be trusted, whatever the name they choose for themselves the rotten core still remains. The Guomindang will remind the people again and again that it is the Qing that shamefully kowtowed to the Foreign devils in a massive propaganda effort within both our borders and outside it. Our military shall engage in an offensive operation to the north along the rivers taking care to ensure our supply lines are secure. We shall also establish our government following Comrade Sun's "Three principles of the People" Hopefully establishing a nucleus for governing our territories. Foreign diplomatic efforts should be focused to the united states to drum up sympathy and support in our fight for Independence and Democracy.
It's the least painful of the leading plans. An installed leader filling positions with the highly unpopular people he just displaced, trying to replace the opium dens that fill your coffers with marijuana, what is this?
[X] Plan: Remove the shackles of our past. The Sale of Aksay Chin to the British is a great humiliation to the Chinese nation proving once and for all that the Beijing Government cannot be trusted, whatever the name they choose for themselves the rotten core still remains. The Guomindang will remind the people again and again that it is the Qing that shamefully kowtowed to the Foreign devils in a massive propaganda effort within both our borders and outside it. Our military shall engage in an offensive operation to the north along the rivers taking care to ensure our supply lines are secure. We shall also establish our government following Comrade Sun's "Three principles of the People" Hopefully establishing a nucleus for governing our territories. Foreign diplomatic efforts should be focused to the united states to drum up sympathy and support in our fight for Independence and Democracy.
It's the least painful of the leading plans. An installed leader filling positions with the highly unpopular people he just displaced, trying to replace the opium dens that fill your coffers with marijuana, what is this?
BurningLaugh
Shape Shifting Master of Hiatus
- Location
- The Land of Retconnia
excellent
ThatGuyWithIdeas
Treize died for our sins
- Location
- Romania
[X] Sun Yat-sen
[X] Plan: Remove the shackles of our past. The Sale of Aksay Chin to the British is a great humiliation to the Chinese nation proving once and for all that the Beijing Government cannot be trusted, whatever the name they choose for themselves the rotten core still remains. The Guomindang will remind the people again and again that it is the Qing that shamefully kowtowed to the Foreign devils in a massive propaganda effort within both our borders and outside it. Our military shall engage in an offensive operation to the north along the rivers taking care to ensure our supply lines are secure. We shall also establish our government following Comrade Sun's "Three principles of the People" Hopefully establishing a nucleus for governing our territories. Foreign diplomatic efforts should be focused to the united states to drum up sympathy and support in our fight for Independence and Democracy.
[X] Plan: Remove the shackles of our past. The Sale of Aksay Chin to the British is a great humiliation to the Chinese nation proving once and for all that the Beijing Government cannot be trusted, whatever the name they choose for themselves the rotten core still remains. The Guomindang will remind the people again and again that it is the Qing that shamefully kowtowed to the Foreign devils in a massive propaganda effort within both our borders and outside it. Our military shall engage in an offensive operation to the north along the rivers taking care to ensure our supply lines are secure. We shall also establish our government following Comrade Sun's "Three principles of the People" Hopefully establishing a nucleus for governing our territories. Foreign diplomatic efforts should be focused to the united states to drum up sympathy and support in our fight for Independence and Democracy.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
How were the consequences of "sell off China" not forseeable
Cause everyone was doing it in RL.
Can't play the warlord game without GP weapon or ammo.
BurningLaugh
Shape Shifting Master of Hiatus
- Location
- The Land of Retconnia
@veekie
@Mortenkam
@Cybandeath
@Satoshixkasumi
@PanzerComrade56
@Atlanta-Georgia
I reworked the plan. I suggest you check it out.
@Mortenkam
@Cybandeath
@Satoshixkasumi
@PanzerComrade56
@Atlanta-Georgia
I reworked the plan. I suggest you check it out.
- Location
- United States
[X] Sun Yat-sen
[X] Plan: Remove the shackles of our past. The Sale of Aksay Chin to the British is a great humiliation to the Chinese nation proving once and for all that the Beijing Government cannot be trusted, whatever the name they choose for themselves the rotten core still remains. The Guomindang will remind the people again and again that it is the Qing that shamefully kowtowed to the Foreign devils in a massive propaganda effort within both our borders and outside it. Our military shall engage in an offensive operation to the north along the rivers taking care to ensure our supply lines are secure. We shall also establish our government following Comrade Sun's "Three principles of the People" Hopefully establishing a nucleus for governing our territories. Foreign diplomatic efforts should be focused to the united states to drum up sympathy and support in our fight for Independence and Democracy.
[X] Plan: Remove the shackles of our past. The Sale of Aksay Chin to the British is a great humiliation to the Chinese nation proving once and for all that the Beijing Government cannot be trusted, whatever the name they choose for themselves the rotten core still remains. The Guomindang will remind the people again and again that it is the Qing that shamefully kowtowed to the Foreign devils in a massive propaganda effort within both our borders and outside it. Our military shall engage in an offensive operation to the north along the rivers taking care to ensure our supply lines are secure. We shall also establish our government following Comrade Sun's "Three principles of the People" Hopefully establishing a nucleus for governing our territories. Foreign diplomatic efforts should be focused to the united states to drum up sympathy and support in our fight for Independence and Democracy.
Muskeato
Aesthete
Cause everyone was doing it in RL.
And those guys didn't last long once the empire collapsed
ThatGuyWithIdeas
Treize died for our sins
- Location
- Romania
Inserted tally
January 1st, 1919
Dadarian
The King of Queen's
- Location
- Queen's on the Shore
January 1st, 1919
Teal - Qing Empire
Dark Teal - Qing-aligned Warlords
Light Green - KMT Government
Dark Green - KMT-aligned Warlords
Yellow - Japan
Off Green - Russia
Pink - Great Britain
Blue - France
Orange - Netherlands
Dark Teal - USA
Dark Teal - Qing-aligned Warlords
Light Green - KMT Government
Dark Green - KMT-aligned Warlords
Yellow - Japan
Off Green - Russia
Pink - Great Britain
Blue - France
Orange - Netherlands
Dark Teal - USA
The influence of perfidious foreigners, especially the Japanese, continues to affect the Chinese Civil War in surprising ways. The sale of Aksay Chin and the Japanese seizure of the northern Manchurian railroad had seen the rise of the Manchu dynasty once again. Alas, these events did not affect the decision making of much of the politicians at the reigns of the various nations within China, for a new wave of anti-foreignerism swept through. Headed initially, and ironically, by President Sun Yat-sen, revolutionary fervour entered houses throughout the nation.
It was in this atmosphere that the Qing Emperor met with the Prince Kinmochi, prior to his travel to Versailles. Flanked by his father, Prince Chun, and the holder of the Privy Seal, Zhang Xun, the Japanese noble was treated with the utmost honour, with promises of a proper meeting between the two Asian Emperor to be conducted within a decade. This was met with little applause by the common people, and indeed enraged them. It did not matter that many politicians and warlords who dominated China, from Xinjiang to Manchuria, fell under the sway of the resurgent court. The will of the people would not be ignored. A riot in Beijing had to be violently put down by a banner army under Ma Guoliang, an Inner Mongolian politician, after members of the army stationed in Beijing refused to fire on civilians.
Taking advantage of the rhetoric he himself had propagated expansively, Sun Yat-sen attempted to mount a northern expedition. Unfortunately for him, and thanks to his anti-foreigner rhetoric, the armies of the Kuomintang found itself suddenly bereft of supplies from abroad. Canton, once a bustling centre of commerce, was all but emptied of merchants. Further, British patrols in the Yellow river saw an uptick as piracy rose in the wake of "anti-merchant" activity aimed theoretically at foreigners but in reality at anyone with a fancy boat.
Thus, Sun Yat-sen's armies marched north, avoiding Japanese encampments throughout Fujian by going through Jiangxi along the Gan River. At Kanchow, the armies of Tang Jiyao and Li Liejun met with banner armies of the Qing under Wu Peifu and Sun Chuanfang. Officers of a French patrol boat, one of many that have started to patrol the waters of the Gan River, witnessed the battle first hand. The captain, one Francois le Abbe, wrote the following in his journal.
"A great cacophony arose from the banks of the Gan. Where once there was silence, except for the birds and creaking of men, all too quickly it became a scream of steel and violence. I was all too surprised to see the movement of horse, men atop in a particularly medieval manner, charge too and fro from the northern side. Further, artillery shells, not unlike I heard while serving in the Atlantic, suddenly stopped. I cannot understand why a nation's army would abruptly end their use of artillery.
This had a surprising effect on the infantry from what I could see, as they became agitated. Officers yelling grew louder, and it seemed that the shooting increased if at all possible. This went on for some time, until the shooting grew slowly less common. Finally the armies of the south retreated, as gun fire grew uncommon. It seemed positively barbaric, as fighting could still be heard in the distance. I cannot say how grateful I am that I occupy this ship's deck and not the ground beneath my seat on those shores."
This had a surprising effect on the infantry from what I could see, as they became agitated. Officers yelling grew louder, and it seemed that the shooting increased if at all possible. This went on for some time, until the shooting grew slowly less common. Finally the armies of the south retreated, as gun fire grew uncommon. It seemed positively barbaric, as fighting could still be heard in the distance. I cannot say how grateful I am that I occupy this ship's deck and not the ground beneath my seat on those shores."
This accounted for only the portion of the battle before the shore, but represented much of the battle as a whole. The fighting was fierce, however constantly disrupted Qing supply-lines as well as acquisition failures by the KMT reduced artillery shells to a minimum, which was quickly liquidated in supply following a couple hours of bombardment. This was followed hours later by a critical lack of small arm supplies on the KMT side, where Tang decided to withdraw completely.
This stalemate stopped the KMT advances for the year outside of Kanchow, with each side attempting to shore up their weaknesses the rest of the year. The Qing manage to calm down the majority of their warlords and politicians while the KMT manage to scrounge, steal, and make munitions in enough numbers to replace those lost at the battle of Kanchow.
During this time, the small and equally ambitious players took advantage of the chaos. In Manchuria, the Fengtian Clique used Manchuria's industrial capacity to war profiteer in the Russian Civil War, providing Supreme Ruler Kolchak with much needed supplies during the Bolshevik's attacks on his Siberian possessions. Some credit these supplies, travelling up the Trans-Siberian Railroad, in successfully defending Omsk from Bolshevik aggression. Alas, not even the Manchurian industries as is could protect the failing Whites, as it seemed that another, larger Bolshevik attack was just around the horizon.
Similarly, the Tongs under Big Eared Du sought to entrench their positions and possessions. Nearby food sources, farms and fisheries, are suddenly controlled by individuals connected to Chiang Kai-shek. Concurrently, information networks are built in Canton and Beijing, where secrets are collected, such as Sun Yat-sen's connection to the Japanese, or the death and replacement of Qing loyalist Ma Anliang with ambitious egoist Ma Fuxiang in Qinghai.
Alas, not all was well within Shanghai. The Tongs nearly topple Du at the mere mention of replacing their chief secondary income, opium, with some distinctly less commercial drug. Further, an offer of citizenship to foreigners is widely and openly derided, as few individuals (namely a drunken American colonel and a hunted French major) even seriously consider Du's offer.
Who do you support?
Tang Jiyao: Yunnanese Warlord, Leader of the Yunnan Clique, and general of the KMT Republic.
Duan Qirui: Han General, Leader of the Anhui Clique, and powerful member of the Imperial Court.
Li Yuanhong: Han General, shafted from leadership, general in the Imperial Army.
Xu Shichang: Han statesman, shafted from leadership.
Zhang Zuolin: Han General, disgraced former-President of the Beiyang Republic, Leader of the Fengtian Clique.
Lu Rongting: Zhuang General, Leader of the Guangxi Clique, KMT-aligned warlord.
Du "Big-Eared Du" Yuesheng: Han mob boss who has a controlling interest in Shanghai and worked with elements of the Republicans. Ties with elements of the Chinese Revolutionary Party (Kemingtang).
Sun Yat-sen: Han Revolutionary and leader of the Chinese National Party. Founder of the Chinese Republic.
Ma Fuxiang: Hui Warlord, Leader of the Ma Clique. Noted reactionary.
Yang Zhengxin: Han General, Leader of the Xinjiang Clique. Noted monarchist.
Feng Guozhang: Han General, Leader of the Zhili Clique. Powerful member of the Imperial Court.
Zhang Xun: Han General, Leader of the Manchu Restoration Movement, Lord of the Privy Seal. Powerful member of the Imperial Court.
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
[X] Zhang Zuolin
-[X] Local power again: Keep dealing in industrial goods and continue reform direct control army under Xueliang with proper salaries and benefits to families. Reach out to British and see if they will grant some aid against growing Japanese Influence in Manchuria.
-[X] Local power again: Keep dealing in industrial goods and continue reform direct control army under Xueliang with proper salaries and benefits to families. Reach out to British and see if they will grant some aid against growing Japanese Influence in Manchuria.