A Little Trouble in Big China - A Chinese Warlord Quest

I presume that the group will be relatively small when it just begins/starts. I expect the mercenaries to train the first few members and then they'll largely be unneeded as the leaders of the Dragon's Claw should be able to teach new members about the skills learned from the White Russians.
OK, I'm just saying don't get your hopes too high. I tried something similar in exchange for giving a lot more Russians citizenship and special privileges and nothing much was mentioned about it outside of their militias, I assume their teaching didn't take. I'd reckon that it'd be less likely to succeed when it's only six instructing.
 
OK, I'm just saying don't get your hopes too high. I tried something similar in exchange for giving a lot more Russians citizenship and special privileges and nothing much was mentioned about it outside of their militias, I assume their teaching didn't take. I'd reckon that it'd be less likely to succeed when it's only six instructing.
perhaps but I did some very light research and found out that some female White Russians did teach Chinese forces how to be better field medics.
 
perhaps but I did some very light research and found out that some female White Russians did teach Chinese forces how to be better field medics.
Correct. Those "Chinese forces" were Zhang Zongchang's historic army, to be specific. Which is why I voted to do just that, before the 1926 update. Specfically, I voted:
  1. Using the connections among Zhang's Russian wives and concubines (making an honest effort to remember their names throughout), travel to Harbin and shore up support with the multitude White Russian emigres left stateless by the Bolshevik takeover of Russia. This may be done as seems prudent by offering them protection, granting citizenship and potentially even status as the 'sixth people' of Manchuria if necessary & the Japanese are amenable, in addition to holding festivities and investing in important persons.
  2. If possible, recruit willing White Russians into service as mercenaries; many of either gender have been hardened by war against the communists, and it would be a great boon to have experienced cavalrymen to traverse the vast distances of the northeast as well as nurses to tend to the wounded and sick. Certainly the unskilled bandits of Zhang Zongchang's army could stand to learn from their training.
See the result in 1926. I got militias and they seem comfortable in their autonomous communes, but nothing much about advances in medical care for the army. Feel free to spend the vote if you like, you may have a better roll in that respect, but I think it may be worth investing in something different based off of my experience.
 
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Correct. Those "Chinese forces" were Zhang Zongchang's historic army, to be specific. Which is why I voted to do just that, before the 1926 update. Specfically, I voted:
  1. Using the connections among Zhang's Russian wives and concubines (making an honest effort to remember their names throughout), travel to Harbin and shore up support with the multitude White Russian emigres left stateless by the Bolshevik takeover of Russia. This may be done as seems prudent by offering them protection, granting citizenship and potentially even status as the 'sixth people' of Manchuria if necessary & the Japanese are amenable, in addition to holding festivities and investing in important persons.
  2. If possible, recruit willing White Russians into service as mercenaries; many of either gender have been hardened by war against the communists, and it would be a great boon to have experienced cavalrymen to traverse the vast distances of the northeast as well as nurses to tend to the wounded and sick. Certainly the unskilled bandits of Zhang Zongchang's army could stand to learn from their training.
See the result in 1926. I got militias and they seem comfortable in their autonomous communes, but nothing much about advances in medical care for the army. Feel free to spend the vote if you like, you may have a better roll in that respect, but I think it may be worth investing in something different based off of my experience.
then perhaps I should hire Zhang's forces to teach the Dragon's Claw or have him send White Russians over.
 
then perhaps I should hire Zhang's forces to teach the Dragon's Claw or have him send White Russians over.
I'm sure we're corrupt enough that some of them won't mind coming over on a trip for some suitcases of cash. Feel free to try to make a deal with the smugglers I'm sending into area, I guess. I won't spend an action on it though, my next low impact one is reserved for publishing Zongchang's poetry collection.
 
I'm sure we're corrupt enough that some of them won't mind coming over on a trip for some suitcases of cash. Feel free to try to make a deal with the smugglers I'm sending into area, I guess. I won't spend an action on it though, my next low impact one is reserved for publishing Zongchang's poetry collection.
I believe that this is the start of a beautiful friendship
 
It's amazing how much money and explosives you can make from pee.
It's such an unutilized resource that China is full to the brim with. You folks wanna go into the pee collecting business too?

Anyone wants a Rhine Capitalist China?! Then vote Du Yuesheng!

Yes! Du! Yue! Sheng!
 
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Edit: Breaking it down by larger faction vote totals, we have...

Hunan-KMT China: 1
Qing China: 5
Manchukuo: 1
Tong Zhuhai: 2
Chinese Brotherhood of Anarchists: 1

Half of all votes are for Qing factions, that's kind of surprising! And it seems that support for the various KMTs has about dropped off the face of the Earth.
Adhoc vote count started by Kipeci on Mar 16, 2019 at 12:28 AM, finished with 251 posts and 10 votes.

  • [X] Liao Zhongkai
    - [X] Plan Blue Star
    - [x] Zhang Zongchang: Han Warlord, former bandit, "Basest Warlord in China", and leader of the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo.
    - [x] Plan: Crime Pays?
    [X] Cai Yuanpei
    -[X] Plan Black Flag
    [X] Du "Big-Eared Du" Yuesheng: Han mob boss who has a controlling interest in Zhuhai and worked with elements of the Republicans. Ties with elements of the Chinese Revolutionary Party (Kemingtang).
    [X] Du "Big-Eared Du" Yuesheng
    [X] Zhang Xueliang
    -[X] Plan Imperial Court
    [X] Zhang Xueliang
    -[X] Plan Imperial Court
    --[X] More soldiers through recruitment campaign. Cite excellent salary, benefits, and training.
    --[X] Invest in enclaves infrastructures, and use this opportunity to have industry experts help with making use of crippled or wounded manpower in factories.
    --[X] Expand the college(s) even more, the focus is on battle field medicine. Aim is to restore wounded or crippled person's ability even if it is diminished.
    --[X] Encourage the industrialists to invest in the factories and produce more advance products. Radios, trains, and trucks will have very high demand.
    --[X] Continue pushing the sale of industrial goods, profit from war zones and areas with less taxes. Make use of past connections.
    --[X] Attend the imperial court in person and bring the unfair treatment of Xueliang by Marshal Wu to the attention of the emperor. Xueliang will make it clear that he have no ambition in high politics and just want to keep the displaced Manchurian people happy. Point to the productive working relationship with the Prime Minister years past and stress that Xueliang did not discriminate. (Leave sealed order with Xu Shichang that the clique will swear allegiance to the Emperor should Xueliang gets killed.)
    [X] Prince Chun: Manchu Prince, father of the Qing Emperor. Prime Minister of the Qing.
    - [X] Plan: Don't let the good times end!
    [X] Prince Chun: Manchu Prince, father of the Qing Emperor. Prime Minister of the Qing.

    - [X] Plan: Don't let the good times end!
    [X] Zhang Xun
    -[X] Plan: The Dragon's Claw
 
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It's amazing how much money and explosives you can make from pee.
It's such an unutilized resource that China is full to the brim with. You folks wanna go into the pee collecting business too?

Anyone wants a Rhine Capitalist China?! Then vote Du Yuesheng!

Yes! Du! Yue! Sheng!
The fact that you're correct really bothers me.
 
Any other voters?! Any other voters?!

Anyone wants to see a country make money from pee?! Anyone wants to see people getting blown up by glorified pee?! Anyone wants to see a Rhine Capitalist China?! Then look no further!

Vote Du Yuesheng!

Yes! Du! Yue! Sheng!
 
Any other voters?! Any other voters?!

Anyone wants to see a country make money from pee?! Anyone wants to see people getting blown up by glorified pee?! Anyone wants to see a Rhine Capitalist China?! Then look no further!

Vote Du Yuesheng!

Yes! Du! Yue! Sheng!
Please stop.
This has been a relatively serious quest. I don't want to have to go all CK2 on you and start hiding bombs in literal shit.
 
Half of all votes are for Qing factions, that's kind of surprising! And it seems that support for the various KMTs has about dropped off the face of the Earth.

I am sure the southern block voters will pop up before vote closes, they are surprisingly consistent in that regard if we go by history.
 
I am sure the southern block voters will pop up before vote closes, they are surprisingly consistent in that regard if we go by history.
You're probably right. I do see a few regular voters like Shaseyu and Exterminatus are absent, I don't know if that's due to some sort of horse trading on a plan or what. IIRC DanBaque is still fine-tuning the plan to try to rescue H-KMT. More time for cunning plans might be available as the weekend opens up in earnest for folks who don't have every other Friday off.
 
I am sure the southern block voters will pop up before vote closes, they are surprisingly consistent in that regard if we go by history.

Hopefully. Because another possibility is they gave up on this quest and thought its dead.

Please stop.
This has been a relatively serious quest. I don't want to have to go all CK2 on you and start hiding bombs in literal shit.

I take my jolly laughter anywhere I can find it. Also, a correction in what I wrote earlier.

Urea Nitrate is crystallized pee. So properly speaking its "Anyone wants to see people getting blown up by crystallized pee?!"

Vote Du Yuesheng!

Yes! Du! Yue! Sheng!

 
I made an edit to my plan.

3) Expand the membership of the Tong to the following places (Shangchuan Island, Xiachuan Island, the inhabited islands of the Wanshan Archipelago, Weizhou Island, and Hainan Island) by constructing clinics and salterns in all said places and another branch of the Zhuhai Black Powder Hunting Gun Workshop (which also includes a mercury fulminate production facility at this point in time), the Zhuhai Fireworks Company, the Clean World Recycling Facility, the Zhuhai Recycled Paper factory, and a brothel in Hainan's capital Haikou and offering Tong membership to the fishermen, street and market stall vendors and family store owners in all said areas, which includes knife fighting classes. Also start constructing public urinals in the Zhuhai-Guangdong-Hongkong area that not only advertise the Zhuhai Tong but is the avenue for collecting thousands of liters of urine for use in the nitraries of the Zhuhai Fireworks Company, and a brand new business to be constructed on one of the larger uninhabited islands of the Wanshan Archipelago called the Zhuhai Urine Derived Products Company, which will create liquid fertilizer for export and local agricultural use and urea and urea nitrate and phenytoin production.







Who's ready to commit some war crimes!
Fuck The Geneva Convention!

Even better! Who wants anti-seizure medication from pee and almond that China is rich in!?



Vote Du Yuesheng!

YES! DU! YUE! SHENG!
 
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Who's ready to commit some war crimes!
Fuck The Geneva Convention!

Technically the provisions of complete ban didn't occur until post WW2 and the 1899 provision had loopholes due to limits of understanding at the time. I wouldn't worry about it since poison gas is only lethal to highly concentrated mass stationary in a place for extended time. And only users of this weapon in Asia is Japan in regular warfare against non-westerner and USSR against population.
 
Technically the provisions of complete ban didn't occur until post WW2 and the 1899 provision had loopholes due to limits of understanding at the time. I wouldn't worry about it since poison gas is only lethal to highly concentrated mass stationary in a place for extended time. And only users of this weapon in Asia is Japan in regular warfare against non-westerner and USSR against population.

Then at least this means China has a means of MAD style retaliation in case Japan starts bombing cities with poison gas.

...wait a second.

Chloramine is being used as a substitute for chlorine in water treatment.

Egads pee is such an OP goldmine!

That's a whole lot of things to do packed into one vote, don't you think?

I don't know. That is why I posted it there for public reaction to see if its too long or its ok. @Dadarian, what you think?
 
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Then at least this means China has a means of MAD style retaliation in case Japan starts bombing cities with poison gas.

Please tell me all your current and future does not contains terrorism.
It's probably nothing, since chemical is a highly specialized industry that nobody invested in.
 
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