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A Golden Island To The West — California ISOT from 2018 to 1850

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Interesting note-- the Great Disappointment hit about six years go, and the Adventist movements picked up the slack.
But most of these movements? They agreed that the exact time was wrong, but most of them also agreed that the end of the world was imminent. As with the first few generations of the Christian church, the idea that the end is coming very soon, was a big part of their ideology.

But now, CA has returned from more than a century and a half in the future, with no sign of the second coming. That is going to have big, big, implications for the transformation of religion in the US, Especially the Third Great Awakening and the Social Gospel movement.
 
Fabius Maximus said:
Interesting note-- the Great Disappointment hit about six years go, and the Adventist movements picked up the slack.
But most of these movements? They agreed that the exact time was wrong, but most of them also agreed that the end of the world was imminent. As with the first few generations of the Christian church, the idea that the end is coming very soon, was a big part of their ideology.

But now, CA has returned from more than a century and a half in the future, with no sign of the second coming. That is going to have big, big, implications for the transformation of religion in the US, Especially the Third Great Awakening and the Social Gospel movement.
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Don't forget about stuff like the Dead Sea Scrolls. Dropping modern scholarship into mid-19th century religious debates is going to be FUN!
 
ToothMaker said:
Don't forget about stuff like the Dead Sea Scrolls. Dropping modern scholarship into mid-19th century religious debates is going to be FUN!
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You can fill in just about any tyope of field. I mean, we talk about tech--but just as an example, think of how incredibly far we've come in the psychological sciences. Hell, imagine the impact in this era, where mental illness was often seen as deliberate defiance, of being able to say: Um, guys, yeah. A lot of these people? They've got a physical condition--and we can fix it.

I mean, let's not be too mean to the downtimers--Workhouses, poor laws? Those worked out horribly, but their backers were genuinely trying to fix problems, and just didn't have teh benefit of 150 odd years of "this worked, this didn't, holy HELL stay away from this."

Now they do.
 
Dropping modern scholarship into 19th century acadamica will be fun period given some of the bizarre ideas the victorian world had on not just world history of various places from africa and the middle east to the americas but even Europe.
 
Alane1 said:
Dropping modern scholarship into 19th century acadamica will be fun period given some of the bizarre ideas the victorian world had on not just world history of various places from africa and the middle east to the americas but even Europe.
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And let us not forget the benefits--this is before some of the big cases of Victorian "archeology" by which we mean "Blow everything up, toss the stuff we don't understand into the GAK pile."

There will be polite reminders to downtime archeologists--accompanied by severed horse heads-- from uptime archaeology departments.

Joking aside, given how much stuff was flat out destroyed by 18th-19th century archaeology, this might be one of the cases where CA is going to end up learning more than was known in 2019.
 
Also there are may documents lying around that still existed in the 19th that if they exist would likely be destroyed by degradation of time or as the results of war that could also shade new light on things if properly found, preserved and documented.

Then there are things like egg laying mammals, venomous mammals or simply things like Giant squid and giant octopus which period scientists were either dismissive of existing or extremely poorly understood(by western scientists sometimes to the point of some things only being accepted in the 1960s or later) and of course like I've noted before the existence of viruses and bacteria given the dominate theory relating to diseases during this time was miasma theory was still the dominate idea of what was responsible for diseases.
 
Fabius Maximus said:
And let us not forget the benefits--this is before some of the big cases of Victorian "archeology" by which we mean "Blow everything up, toss the stuff we don't understand into the GAK pile."

There will be polite reminders to downtime archeologists--accompanied by severed horse heads-- from uptime archaeology departments.

Joking aside, given how much stuff was flat out destroyed by 18th-19th century archaeology, this might be one of the cases where CA is going to end up learning more than was known in 2019.
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Oh, yes.

A proper excavation of Troy before Heinrich Schliemann digging a trench through the site.

And finally putting to rest the authenticity of his 'Priam's Treasure'.
 
Dark Mage said:
A proper excavation of Troy before Heinrich Schliemann digging a trench through the site.
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Quite honestly, there are so many sites all around the world that have been destroyed due to poor techniques at the time, that Cali will be stretched thin trying to protect just a handful of them.

On the other hand, they CAN enter everywhere around the Pyramids and Sphinx right now, without running afoul of any laws, or before the sites were cemented over, or locked.

But then again I think about all the downtime people (or state actors) that will grab ANY history book, and read about some of the treasures that 'future' archaeologists found, and I'm sure that its going to turn into a literal race to the gold.
It's going to be a bloody disaster.
 
The CA would certainly launch a massive expedition to unearth some ancient Egyptian locations with an intention of unearthing Tutankhamun's site and other places way earlier.
 
The entire academic population of CA is going to be running around for the rest of their careers screaming "No you idiots, stop doing that. Yes, I mean you." at the world. History as a proper dicipline would not really exist for a few decades yet. The sciences were still in a relative infancy, the social sciences were at best theory.
 
Ithillid said:
The entire academic population of CA is going to be running around for the rest of their careers screaming "No you idiots, stop doing that. Yes, I mean you." at the world. History as a proper dicipline would not really exist for a few decades yet. The sciences were still in a relative infancy, the social sciences were at best theory.
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That being said,lk a lot of the early pioneers were living today and they honestly did want to build a discipline. Which is to say, some of them are gonna be "Who cares about this newfangled stuff, I gots my blasting powder and pickaxe!" Others? They're going to be reading everything they can and trying to emulate it.
 
Look like on the bright side, CA archaeologists with full government backing would have an immense advantage over the downtimers in major areas: logistics, transportation, communication, and tech.

The downtimers could take a long trek through the desert in thier horses/camels weighted down with supplies and tools while thier CA counterparts could simply fly in from ships, enjoying being cooled by the air conditioners.
 
Deathstroke said:
The downtimers could take a long trek through the desert in thier horses/camels weighted down with supplies and tools while thier CA counterparts could simply fly in from ships, enjoying being cooled by the air conditioners.
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Dense forests mean no heli or cars, and many sites will be in their primal state, before discovery or beyond reach of civilization. So despite every advantage Cali has in the technological department, its archaeology teams will still need to cover huge swaths of land on foot ,under armed guard, and with lots of porters.
 
Also things like the Panama canal, Suez canal and the cape cod canal don't exist which will make travel longer and more dangerous and of course modern shipping infrastructure doesn't exist which would cause some logistical restraints and considerations that would be need to be taken into account for long distance science or archaeological expeditions though.
 
ToothMaker said:
Huh, you know, the Event will prevent most of the Millennium doomsday nonsense, as well as the 2012 believers - but as Nov 6, 2018 gets closer there will be people running around expecting Cali to be sent back in time again or something. You couldn't even really prove them wrong until after the anniversary.
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Groundhog California would be hilarious though.
 
Nyvis said:
Groundhog California would be hilarious though.
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Yeah, I was thinking of that too. I mean, there will less emotional drama bc after 150+ years nobody of the original Californian population will be alive but can you imagine having to explain that this shit has happened before and probably will happen again. Probably a popular theory will be that there is a Permanent Glitch In The Matrix. The next time it happens they will probably be mass evacuation and food/technology storage.
 
kaazmiz said:
Dense forests mean no heli or cars, and many sites will be in their primal state, before discovery or beyond reach of civilization. So despite every advantage Cali has in the technological department, its archaeology teams will still need to cover huge swaths of land on foot ,under armed guard, and with lots of porters.
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I will grant you on that.

But there is a recent invention which they could take and adapt it to other missions in dense forests like a canopy raft, and the scientists who used them found the concept to be highly useful as they could access remote locations virtually anywhere in the dense jungles instead of trekking a long distance on foot. They were also able to rappel down through dense treetrops to the floor from the canopy raft.

It could be airlifted by an airship or even a helicopter.



 
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Not arguing the possibility, but we talked a bit earlier how Cali is still at the end of the develop run for its Airships. The technology for them is there, but its just not going to be ready for the next year or two without massive investments. It was after all a private venture, only supported by the US military and scientists shortly before the translocation happened.

Deathstroke said:
It could be airlifted by an airship or even a helicopter.
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You actually can't use a Heli, the downward draft from propellers is too strong, and endangers the crew and runs the risk of the raft acting as a sail.
That canopy raft and the use of an airship to place it is what got the scientific community interested in dirigibles as a means for transportation in the first place.
Also, French technology that Cali doesn't have. While it technically an inflatable skeleton with a mesh, nobody in Cali would have the calculations or measurements for its construction and safe deployment. So that's something more they have to research and test.

It all amounts to time that down-timers have to reach and damage those sites, should Cali not launch its expeditions, even if on foot.
 
Well, at least Edgar Allan Poe is dead. I imagine there'd be English professors kicking in his door to solve the debate over the orangutan.

Basically, apparently in Lit circles, there's a bit of debate on the matter. And it's apparently quite nasty.
 
Mr Poe should have close friends who perhaps could know enough to shed some new light on a bunch of stuff. Get some new materiel to have their perfectly reasonable debates over.
 
Now I want to see some downtimer academics watching and listening to the heated conference debates in every topic, even ones they think are trivial or a done deal.
 
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