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You think that the juries won't be controlled for things like that? That they will be able to rely on judges going "Yeah, you broke laws that are on the books for very good reasons, but it was for a good cause, so off you go, chap!" Seriously? These people are going behind bars, by hook or by crook and they are going to stay there for decades.You need juries to convict for that. What happens when you find out that 90 percent of the people you arrest walk out of the court room, free men, with a cheering crowd greeting them outside, because the Jury didn't even bother to leave the box before they came back with "your honor, we find the defendant not guilty on all charges." California can pass any law it pleases--at the end of the day, whether or not that law is enforced is up to 12 good and true jury members and the defense attorney that can't win a case where the other side is a bunch of slavers should really turn in his license. The majority of Juries won't be voting on the law, they'll be treating it as a referendum on slavery.
What happens when every politician that backs this, and every prosecutor get's primaried hard, and his opponent states: I will not bring charges against any man fighting against the South, nor will I permit anyone in my office to do so?
California is a nation of laws--but it's also a nation where power flows up from the people. It's a nation where you cannot stop people from using their propaganda and speech. So your likely jury pools are going to be hit 24/7 with "we live next door to monsters, who would think nothing of selling your neighbor and raping his daughter, and if they tried to fight, burning them at the stake." That's going to produce a nearly insurmountable barrier for any prosecutor.
Hell, it's entirely possible that you could see an initiative (does the independent CA still have the initiative process?) that actively legalizes such expeditions, one that completely side-steps the legislature. I've worked with both failing and passing initiatives, and I'd give such a bill better than 50% chance of passing.
Which is to say, it may be bad, or it may be good, but the population of CA is likely to be very unsympathetic to any plan that sees slavery continuing to be a thing, and in CA, the politicians ultimately get their marching orders from the people and the people are going to want slavery gone. Sure, ten years later there may be buyers remorse, or not, but that won't have any impact on how things are done now. Lots of people had buyers remorse over how Iraq turned out--but it didn't help Hussein and that remorse came long, long after tanks were rolling through Baghdad, and very few people had anything like the hatred for Iraq that you'd get for honest to god Slavers.
Remember: Child abuse? Child Rape? Stealing children from parents to sell them down the river? Torture? Murder? Dismemberment and burning at the stake (or roasting--there have been at least a few cases where blacks were surrounded by burning wood which was fed so they were slowly roasted alive), is all going to be showing on youtube, facebook, human interest stories. None of it faked. All of it real--hell the South was proud of their actions in the OTL. They didn't simply not hide it, they actively showed off their actions.
Just think of how easy that is to spin.
The news media knows who pays their bills and if you get any southerner defending slavery? You can bet they're going to choose the worst possible example, then cut the film so you wander if he needed to take a swig of freshly squeezed orphan juice between interviews.
To look at it in pragmatic terms, look how much influence the NRA has had over US policy. Now take the NRA, give it more money, a cause that literally everyone believes in, IE, getting rid of slavery, and now turn it loose with millions of single issue voters, suitcases of cash, and a genuinely morally powerful argument. Even the politicians who fight it are going to fight it because they fear the outcome long-term, not because they have any real love of the South or Slavery, and that is going to really show.
Also, thanks for showing why an elected judicary is godawful and needs to be ended ASAP. Along with jury trials. A prosecutor that has to worry about public opinion will always produce more unjust results. After all, if the public bays for convictions, he better deliver. A judge who has to worry about getting thrown out of office for convicting criminals is going to make bad judgements.
People get desensizized to bad news, you're proposing to oversaturate the news cycle with violence from the South. Great way to kill any engagement for those not directly affected.
Filibustering is illegal. No matter how much you want to change it, it is illegal and will stay that way because otherwise California opens a Pandora's Box that really needs to stay closed. Or do you think that once filibustering is made legal people are going to just stop? Little hint, of course they won't. Have fun putting that Djinni back in the bottle.
As far as the population of California is concerned, those who can actually do basic maths will very easily realize that wanting to see slavery stamped out is one thing. Paying the price for that on the other hand? Yeah, that's something else. This won't be a quick thing. It will take serious investment, both towards breaking the South in a way that it can actually be salvaged and then the actual salvaging and rebuilding. This is a long-term commitment and it's going to cost a few fortunes.
I ask you to consider the following. Do you honestly think that politicians won't be able to tell the people that action now means getting into a mess that will make the forever war in the middle east look like an easy policing action that was basically paid for with spare change?
There are options between "Go in now, HULK SMASH!" and it's subsequent "That was about as wise as putting my dick into a running blender." realization or "Let things go on without doing anything." I would estimate most people actually not wanting to put their metaphorical dicks into a blender. Most politicians are going to fall somewhere between "How can we get the South to attack the North so we can offload lots of costs on the Union while enforcing our version of reconstruction?" to "How can we get the North to agree to let us stomp the South flat?" to "We need the North to do things that will set off the South. Who can we use or pressure for that?"
That is the calculus. As long as the United States are a whole, invading parts of it means invading all of it. Dick, balls, hands meet blender. Have fun together. It's like deciding that it's okay to invade Brittany and Gascony, you're not at war with France, after all.
Yes, there's countless abuses going on in the South. Yes, they're even proud of it. Guess who else did stuff like that? ISIS. And people were quite opposed to actually fighting them and putting boots on the ground. The same should hold true here. People are more likely to want to help those that escaped instead of having to pay for making the South a place that isn't a racist hellhole. One can be done relatively easily and produces nice feelgood stories. The other means increasing taxes and likely a draft and a bloating military. People hate seeing their taxes go up.
It's also very easy to spin that whole "Run off and smash the South NOW!" thing against those proposing it. It's after all positively Bushian in its lack of foresight. But if they want to emulate Mr. Mission Accomplished, so be it.
Also, I have big trouble buying your 10 million figure for that CSES. That's a quarter of California's population signing up. That's basically "We dictate national policy" levels of influence. 1 million members would already ensure they basically got their pet issues heard every time they want it to and give it the outsized influence of the NRA or even more, 10 million is basically "Do as we want. Now."