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DimensionalGuy said:
Yeah, I'd say now is a good time to claim. I'm Jonah, the Spymaster. Ordinarily, I have contacts everywhere gathering info, but that doesn't work under the current circumstances, so I do it myself and pick a target to follow each night. Basically, I'm a tracker. I'm going to post my results in a spoiler below, as there is some interesting information down there.
Night 1: Cyricubed visited Nictis.
Recently became an interesting result after it came out that Cyricubed is a Nexus, one that only works on even nights. Firstly, it obviously worked night 1, and since a Nexus can't actually visit anyone, I'm fairly certain that Cyricubed is x-shot. Gonna keep my speculation for the reason of the lie for myself. Would've preferred to keep the entirety of this night to myself, but that would only seem to be suspicious and discredit any further points i wish to make, methinks.
Night 2: ComiTurtle didn't visit.
Pretty straightforward. Comiturtle didn't visit someone this night.
Night 3: Absum visited Nictis.
Also fairly straightforward, not really suspicious.
Night 4: PyrrosWarrior visited Nictis.
This one is the real interesting one. Now, it certainly doesn't confirm PyrrosWarrior as scum, it is however awfully suspect that PyrrosWarrior, someone that claims vanilla, visited someone, and that the someone that was visited also died. In any case, I'll place my bets here.
So with that out of the way.

[X] Lynch PyrrosWarrior

In any case, I'm going to read through the circumstances behind the LttL lynch again. Even if it was a policy lynch based on inactivity, there should still be something good there now that it's confirmed that the Brotherhood is the scumteam.
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So either you are scum making a false claim, or Cyri is lying about his claim and you got redirected. Well, at least this changes the paradigm for me from Evenstar vs. Cyricubed to DG vs. Cyricubed - a far less risky endeavor in the small scenario that Evenstar isn't lying again.

That said, your "results" just so happen to implicate the two people potentially against your preferred side and you've only chosen to reveal them now rather than earlier. That seems quite sketchy to me dude. You had plenty opportunity to speak up earlier, yet you have been one of the biggest lurkers in the game that hasn't been modkilled at only 28 posts, with no alignment indicative posts.
 
DimensionalGuy said:
Night 1: Cyricubed visited Nictis.
Recently became an interesting result after it came out that Cyricubed is a Nexus, one that only works on even nights. Firstly, it obviously worked night 1, and since a Nexus can't actually visit anyone, I'm fairly certain that Cyricubed is x-shot. Gonna keep my speculation for the reason of the lie for myself. Would've preferred to keep the entirety of this night to myself, but that would only seem to be suspicious and discredit any further points i wish to make, methinks.
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Well shoot me dry. I actually thought town's only remaining visiting role was Even so the potential scumfake might have worked. Damn. Sadly however I can't say for certain if this is either a clever bluff against me or a legitimate claim. Was there anyone who visited Nictis n1? I can't remember. (Also It's 3 shot, I've used it at least 1st Night and 4th Night, I may or may not have another use. It doesn't seem relevant)
 
Evenstar said:
Nictis has strongly defended both Cyricubed and DimensionalGuy. I would like both to explain why they're town.
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Evenstar said:
Right now I want to lynch DimensionalGuy. He's closely associated with Nictis and has been sheeping the Masonry hard. He has little original thought to his name IMO.
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I'm too tired to grab all the quotes, this thread is way too long, but yes, I believed Nictis was town. I do not think I was the only one to believe Nictis was town. In fact, pretty much the only one (in my recollection) that didn't think Nictis was town was you, in like one post, and day 2 Absum. Either way, I don't think it's strange that I read Nictis as town.

The big thing, I believe, would be Nictis townreading me, But I do not believe that I was the only townread? And even so, would scum really draw attention to their teammates like that? If one dies, then it's pretty obvious to look for who they read as town. No, the much safer way to read scumbuddies are, in my belief, to simply list them as neutral or something like that. Furthermore, if I was on a scumteam with Nictis and LttL, then why would I be the one to start the wagon on LttL? I can see scum joining it in order to gain som semblance of legitimacy, but starting it? Not really.

Either way, I'm fairly certain that the main reason of this belief was because Nictis defended me in this post.
Nictis said:
Eva, no. Please. Please do not try to suspect DG for putting effort into scum hunting. All his points against you are fair.
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Regardless of Alignment, I don't think that there's anything wrong with this post.
 
PyrrosWarrior said:
That said, your "results" just so happen to implicate the two people potentially against your preferred side and you've only chosen to reveal them now rather than earlier. That seems quite sketchy to me dude. You had plenty opportunity to speak up earlier, yet you have been one of the biggest lurkers in the game that hasn't been modkilled at only 28 posts, with no alignment indicative posts.
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I wasn't really able to reveal it earlier, though? At day start I worked until evening, at which point I was way too tired to simply do anything but sleep. After waking up and eating Breakfast at like, 11, I finally got to posting it.
 
I don't have the time to always be in this thread, and I don't think that my timezone is the best for discussion, as most happens while I'm asleep. I mean, it's tough trying to be relevant when any and all arguments, discussions, etc. are basically paused while you're online.
 
DimensionalGuy said:
I wasn't really able to reveal it earlier, though? At day start I worked until evening, at which point I was way too tired to simply do anything but sleep. After waking up and eating Breakfast at like, 11, I finally got to posting it.
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You didn't have to reveal it. Standard procedure for info roles, to my knowledge and observations, is to use their powers to steer conversations and conclusions within the thread even before the reveal. You didn't really do any of that, or anything at all for most of the game.
Cyricubed said:
Well shoot me dry. I actually thought town's only remaining visiting role was Even so the potential scumfake might have worked. Damn. Sadly however I can't say for certain if this is either a clever bluff against me or a legitimate claim. Was there anyone who visited Nictis n1? I can't remember. (Also It's 3 shot, I've used it at least 1st Night and 4th Night, I may or may not have another use. It doesn't seem relevant)
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So you are claiming Vig now?
 
What was I supposed to steer towards? Only this day did I get any good information, half from the night, and half from other claims today? I've mainly focused on keeping my head down, so that I could live and actually get something of value.
 
DimensionalGuy said:
What was I supposed to steer towards? Only this day did I get any good information, half from the night, and half from other claims today? I've mainly focused on keeping my head down, so that I could live and actually get something of value.
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I'd certainly say your proposed knowledge of Cyri N1 and Comi N2 would have been useful to the discussions over their nature on previous days, even if you couldn't blatantly reveal what you knew from your role.
 
Just to clarify I'm not moving away from Nexus. I bluffed even nights active to have scum think they could target me safely this coming night phase. To preemptively clear any confusing inconsistencies I gave up the bluff, bit sad at it
 
Cyricubed said:
Just to clarify I'm not moving away from Nexus. I bluffed even nights active to have scum think they could target me safely this coming night phase. To preemptively clear any confusing inconsistencies I gave up the bluff, bit sad at it
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Now I am even more confused. Your basis for giving up your claim lied in DG's accusation that you might be an X-shot by pointing towards their claim of you visiting Nictis N1. You gave up that claim and said that the X-Shot thing is correct, giving DG a measure of authority, yet are saying that the basis of their claim - you having visited someone - is incorrect. A Nexus cannot visit someone, for they are passive.
 
So there are two reasons I was pushing Cyricubed so hard:

One, a Nexus seems kind of... bad for the game with the mechanics this one has.
Notably, redirecting a recruit attempt at random seems way too variable in outcome, and could easily result in randomly losing the game.

Two, we have the supposed fluff behind it.
Cyricubed said:
Minerva, I'm one of the Magisters Apprentices. I was being trained in how to cast the veil but that training wasn't completed before the attack. However I know enough about it that I can temporarily strengthen it around me, baffling and confusing people even more to the point where they believe me to just be one of the many in the crowd and that someone else nearby is me instead.

This was really hard to paraphrase...lol.
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I can easily believe Minerva, the Magister's Apprentice is in game. That's actually pretty compelling, and makes me seriously doubt my scumread.
The fluff-effect connection is more than a little contrived though- making people believe someone else is you does not seem in the remit of the Veil, and the claim of 'only works on even nights' makes absolutely no sense with the lore.
I was hoping to catch them out in a lie there, as honesty isn't going to cost town anything. (The bluff story is plausible, but silly. Why would scum target a 'sometimes Nexus' when ignoring it is just as effective?)
DG has apparently already called them out on that, but note that the even-only nexus makes little sense independant of what DG supposedly tracked. I don't know if that lends credence to DG's story or not.

Further, dawn of Day 2 I woke up with a coin slipped under my door. That was my recruitment. While you could, if you really stretched, see how Minerva's transposition trick could justify redirecting a recruitment of this form, it stretches plausibility.

Frankly, this whole thing reads like someone trying to post-facto fluff a role claim.
It could be LostDeviljho wanting a Nexus in game and contriving fluff to match it, it seems more likely to be Cyricubed lying about their role and coming up with a steaming heap to explain it.
 
Cyricubed said:

Well shoot me dry. I actually thought town's only remaining visiting role was Even so the potential scumfake might have worked. Damn. Sadly however I can't say for certain if this is either a clever bluff against me or a legitimate claim. Was there anyone who visited Nictis n1? I can't remember. (Also It's 3 shot, I've used it at least 1st Night and 4th Night, I may or may not have another use. It doesn't seem relevant)
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Sorry, I am having a little trouble following things. Are you still claiming to be a Nexus? If so, how are you visiting people?
 
PyrrosWarrior said:
Have you not been following the last few days dude? I have been all but saying VT since Day 2, and I explicitly said it last Day. I shovel horse poop in the stables and self-angst about my own unimportance.
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Oh, okay, sorry. I knew you had implied you were a VT, I just missed the fluff. And it is partly the fluff and names I am interested in, since people making them up are more likely to wind up saying something that doesn't fit with what Town knows.
 
mesonoxian said:
Oh, okay, sorry. I knew you had implied you were a VT, I just missed the fluff. And it is partly the fluff and names I am interested in, since people making them up are more likely to wind up saying something that doesn't fit with what Town knows.
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Oh, I don't think I ever gave fluff or names before, no. I merely explicitly claimed VT last Day phase and implied it before then.

I am Ashton, a stable-boy. My role consists of Ashton angsting about being a stable-boy instead of someone more important followed up by him saying his only useful ability is pushing people into manure if they get too close. That's why I said earlier in Day 2 that my role had literally nothing useful in it and that I am going fairly blind about lore.
 
PyrrosWarrior said:
Oh, I don't think I ever gave fluff or names before, no. I merely explicitly claimed VT last Day phase and implied it before then.

I am Ashton, a stable-boy. My role consists of Ashton angsting about being a stable-boy instead of someone more important followed up by him saying his only useful ability is pushing people into manure if they get too close. That's why I said earlier in Day 2 that my role had literally nothing useful in it and that I am going fairly blind about lore.
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Thanks :)
 
InterstellarHobo said:
(The bluff story is plausible, but silly. Why would scum target a 'sometimes Nexus' when ignoring it is just as effective?)
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The remaining people alive are:
Evenstar- BG Recruiter
Meso- Confirmed town through Even and vice versa
Myself- 3-Shot Nexus
Comi- 1-Shot NK proof minimum.
IH-Recruited into BG Neighborhood
DG- Tracker Claim
Pyrros/1K- Vanilla

Reasonably Scum is in those last 6. I know what I am so I know I'm town. What does that leave of the scum list? the other 5. Now the thing is all 5 of those people aren't going to be targeted for a night kill. Especially Comi if he's not scum. Reason being is they still need to whittle town down to win so they'll hit for more confirmed townies. If I showed Vulnerability the next night it would make it more appealing to scum to target me again instead of potentially getting kill blocked by You, Meso, or Even depending on if RB'er is still alive (Nictis is dead so who knows?)

The fact of the matter ends at I wanted to make myself an appealing target. If they hit me they would have instead hit someone else, maybe themselves, maybe another person we were considering as scum, maybe comi and then comi lives and reports an attack attempt IDK. Regardless It was to fool scum since I figured the only person who could visit left in town was Evenstar.


IH... fluff isn't always going to be perfect. I mean...we had Jason Vorhee's! That doesn't even fit at all to have a horror movie serial killer unkillable monster as a simple townie. Idk what else to tell you honestly.

mesonoxian said:
Sorry, I am having a little trouble following things. Are you still claiming to be a Nexus? If so, how are you visiting people?
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Yes, and I'm not. as I see it by DG's claim he got deflected to someone who visited Nictis on N1, idk who that could have been. We still do have a fair number of unclaimed dead people, and actually in my ISO of IH I have run across one explanation of who it could have been.

Now, I'm working my ISO on IH is 95% done then I'll do one on DG right after to see if I can believe the claim at all and then I'll look at Pyrros and 1K to complete my thoughts.
 
Also I sorta just thought to point it out: How is Nictis dead if I'm not Nexus? Like, a little confused there if your thinking scum intentionally killed one of their own this late into the game during a night phase.
 
PyrrosWarrior said:
I'd certainly say your proposed knowledge of Cyri N1 and Comi N2 would have been useful to the discussions over their nature on previous days, even if you couldn't blatantly reveal what you knew from your role.
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The problem is, that the knowledge I had was very much NAI. Cyri can visit? Good. Cyri visited Nictis n1? I could see both scum and town visiting Nictis at that point. Night 2, all I got was that Comi didn't visit someone. This doesn't exclude them from being scum, or confirm it. In other words, using my information to steer town in a good direction would've been impossible for me, as I didn't know what direction would be good.
 
Cyricubed said:
Also I sorta just thought to point it out: How is Nictis dead if I'm not Nexus? Like, a little confused there if your thinking scum intentionally killed one of their own this late into the game during a night phase.
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To be honest, that would make more sense than an SK at least, so good point there.
DimensionalGuy said:
The problem is, that the knowledge I had was very much NAI. Cyri can visit? Good. Cyri visited Nictis n1? I could see both scum and town visiting Nictis at that point. Night 2, all I got was that Comi didn't visit someone. This doesn't exclude them from being scum, or confirm it. In other words, using my information to steer town in a good direction would've been impossible for me, as I didn't know what direction would be good.
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Cyri visiting someone would have been good last Day phase when the primary debates were between Ban and Cyri, and that also would have been an opportune time to claim in general since a lot of us were claiming, doing such of your own volition at that point would have added more credibility to your name (and reduce the risk of you dying before any info could get out), and would have at least shown that Cyri was indeed a possible suspect as he has had movements.

Comi would not have been an opportune time to claim, however his final role-claim was that of someone who did not visit. Therefore, it would have been good for you to at least steer away any potential lynches at that time as your saying he didn't visit anyone adds plausibility to Comi's claim of being a Townie who can protect themselves from harm.
 
Cyricubed said:
The remaining people alive are:
Evenstar- BG Recruiter
Meso- Confirmed town through Even and vice versa
Myself- 3-Shot Nexus
Comi- 1-Shot NK proof minimum.
IH-Recruited into BG Neighborhood
DG- Tracker Claim
Pyrros/1K- Vanilla

Reasonably Scum is in those last 6. I know what I am so I know I'm town. What does that leave of the scum list? the other 5. Now the thing is all 5 of those people aren't going to be targeted for a night kill. Especially Comi if he's not scum. Reason being is they still need to whittle town down to win so they'll hit for more confirmed townies. If I showed Vulnerability the next night it would make it more appealing to scum to target me again instead of potentially getting kill blocked by You, Meso, or Even depending on if RB'er is still alive (Nictis is dead so who knows?)

The fact of the matter ends at I wanted to make myself an appealing target. If they hit me they would have instead hit someone else, maybe themselves, maybe another person we were considering as scum, maybe comi and then comi lives and reports an attack attempt IDK. Regardless It was to fool scum since I figured the only person who could visit left in town was Evenstar.


IH... fluff isn't always going to be perfect. I mean...we had Jason Vorhee's! That doesn't even fit at all to have a horror movie serial killer unkillable monster as a simple townie. Idk what else to tell you honestly.



Yes, and I'm not. as I see it by DG's claim he got deflected to someone who visited Nictis on N1, idk who that could have been. We still do have a fair number of unclaimed dead people, and actually in my ISO of IH I have run across one explanation of who it could have been.

Now, I'm working my ISO on IH is 95% done then I'll do one on DG right after to see if I can believe the claim at all and then I'll look at Pyrros and 1K to complete my thoughts.
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Right, as I typed the following I changed my mind. Left it so the thought process is visible.
Fundamentally, I don't see a reason scum would want a Nexus dead, as the power's negated by ignoring it.
I don't see a reason scum would want you dead, since you aren't townlocked by... basically anyone? Certainly not to the same degree as meso. Probably not to the same degree as 1K, limited though that is. (Also, I don't particularly townread 1K anymore.)
Scum's going to want to kill confirmed town, so they don't reduce the pool of people they are hiding in.
You simply aren't an appealing target, when Meso is in a mason and defenceless.

...Except scum wants you dead at some point, probably. It does make sense to give the impression that the window to kill is limited.
I still don't think that's a good bluff, but it's a reasonable one.

And yeah, it could well be Deviljho wanting a Nexus and stretching the fluff to fit. I'd find that odd, as I don't see a good reason to want a Nexus, but it's definitely possible.

Nictis died is getting a separate post.
 
The way I see it is either Cyri is lying or DG is lying, because their two claims cannot both be true. I doubt there would be a Nexus and a Redirector (or the variations that I am using Redirector as an umbrella term for) in the same game since they both do the same thing except one is active and the other is passive.
 
PyrrosWarrior said:
The way I see it is either Cyri is lying or DG is lying, because their two claims cannot both be true. I doubt there would be a Nexus and a Redirector (or the variations that I am using Redirector as an umbrella term for) in the same game since they both do the same thing except one is active and the other is passive.
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@Cyricubed gave an explanation of how their claim could work with DG's. (Their tracking was redirected).

But shouldn't you know that DG is lying? After all, they claim you visited Nictis last night. If you are a VT, then you shouldn't be visiting anybody. The fact you didn't treat that as an inconsistency looks quite suspicious.

[X] lynch PyrrosWarrior
 
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