I have been having this thought that mega metamorphosis is specifically a trainer thing, for trainer battles. So if a pokemon pictures its metamorphosis, it'll be all like "Being a caterpie is so scary! I wish that I was tougher.... Being a Metapod is so boring! I wish that I could fly....". If it is a trainer picturing metamorphosis, it'll be more like "My pokemon isn't just an ordinary butterfree, it is a super-special-awesome butterfree! With, like, fangs, and jet engines, and jet engines that shoot megadeath toxin like a flame-thrower, and its wings, like, hypnotise people and shoot lasers from its eyes!". If it were like that, then it might explain some differences in design philosophy.
It's also because Mega-Evolution isn't actually 'Evolution' by the Pokemon definition; Mega-Evolution is basically pumping a Pokemon full of magic steroids and causing it to get hueg and go on a power trip, normal Pokemon Evolution is an actual metamorphosis to a different stage of the Pokemon's life-cycle.

In some cases that means that normal Pokemon Evolution doesn't really change a whole lot in much the same way that many real-world animals do not change significantly during their normal life cycle, but like many other real-world animals some Pokemon Evolutions are effectively entirely different creatures from stage to stage.

Mega-Evolution on the other hand is still the same Pokemon, just juiced up on magical ancient PokePower and getting hueg from absorbing what are basically the energies of a god.

wait, i figured out the name for a mawile evo: guillet! guile+gullet.
and a pre-evo name deceeth/deceith. deceit+teeth.
Not so sure about the second one, but Guillet does sound like a legit Pokemon name.


e: Hmm, you know, if the Mawile evolution is supposed to build on the 'cute harmless 'lure' main body, with giant chompy hair' aspect but also be different from the 'more chompy hair' direction the Mega-Evolution takes, then something like the chompy hair becoming a large 'platform' that the main body 'lure' stands\sits\sticks out of might be a better direction to take. Assuming that there isn't a Pokemon like that already, I can't think of one but there are way too many Pokemon to remember them all simultaneously.
 
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my idea for an evo appearance has the weird ponytail things to the side of the maw grow and act like legs, with four smaller ones in the back under the maw acting as arms to feed things to the maw(which, of course, would be bigger, and possibly quad-jawed). and for the body, the hakama-fur on the legs merging into a skirt, and the arms gaining "sleeves".
 
e: Hmm, you know, if the Mawile evolution is supposed to build on the 'cute harmless 'lure' main body, with giant chompy hair' aspect but also be different from the 'more chompy hair' direction the Mega-Evolution takes, then something like the chompy hair becoming a large 'platform' that the main body 'lure' stands\sits\sticks out of might be a better direction to take. Assuming that there isn't a Pokemon like that already, I can't think of one but there are way too many Pokemon to remember them all simultaneously.
I don't think that's a Pokemon yet but it is an old D&D thing.
 
The problem there is that this cuts down on mobility. I suggest instead increasing the attack range of the maw. Something like making the "neck" connecting it to the back of Mawile's head, or giving it a frog tongue, only with something to grab onto prey at the end. Maybe make it kind of like a xenomorph tongue.

Alternatively, you could enhance the quality of the lure somehow. Puppy dog eyes, maybe? Or you could just outright cheat with hypnotic eyes.
 
this cuts down on mobility
Maybe it could be, like, sleepy Mawile tucked into bed? The bed's legs would be flexible and run around, brobably big sturdy trunk-legs with pretty ornamentation, and the bed can split in half to eat things. Maybe even split in half side-ways so that it can jump forwards to almost surround something with its mouth? It could even have one of those balloon mouths that expand as they close so that it can't just be ducked underneath! To stop The lure from falling into the mouth when it splits in half underneath it, it could rise up as a tail and be used as overwatch and a point-of-origin for attacks. Just a cute little Mawile in its pyjamas with its eyes half-lidded and a big yawn and stretch with its tiny arms and mouth. The zig-zag pattern down the middle of its pillow, mattress, and blanket are clearly nothing to worry about!
 
Maybe it could be, like, sleepy Mawile tucked into bed? The bed's legs would be flexible and run around, brobably big sturdy trunk-legs with pretty ornamentation, and the bed can split in half to eat things. Maybe even split in half side-ways so that it can jump forwards to almost surround something with its mouth? It could even have one of those balloon mouths that expand as they close so that it can't just be ducked underneath! To stop The lure from falling into the mouth when it splits in half underneath it, it could rise up as a tail and be used as overwatch and a point-of-origin for attacks. Just a cute little Mawile in its pyjamas with its eyes half-lidded and a big yawn and stretch with its tiny arms and mouth. The zig-zag pattern down the middle of its pillow, mattress, and blanket are clearly nothing to worry about!
That sounds very adorable and terrifying. It doesn't sound very much like how most pokemon would evolve, though. Thematically fitting, but not so much with other pokémon evolutions?
 
Maybe it could be, like, sleepy Mawile tucked into bed? The bed's legs would be flexible and run around, brobably big sturdy trunk-legs with pretty ornamentation, and the bed can split in half to eat things. Maybe even split in half side-ways so that it can jump forwards to almost surround something with its mouth? It could even have one of those balloon mouths that expand as they close so that it can't just be ducked underneath! To stop The lure from falling into the mouth when it splits in half underneath it, it could rise up as a tail and be used as overwatch and a point-of-origin for attacks. Just a cute little Mawile in its pyjamas with its eyes half-lidded and a big yawn and stretch with its tiny arms and mouth. The zig-zag pattern down the middle of its pillow, mattress, and blanket are clearly nothing to worry about!
Considering that Mawile live in caves? That's dumb. It would be very, very obviously out of place, rendering its primary means of hunting, ambush, completely ineffective. If you're going to insist on an area trap, make it something plausible, like a Mawile trapped under a bunch of rocks, with the main body being disguised to look like the rocks in question. Or better yet, have it construct its disguises around the main body using things gathered from the environment so that it can hide anywhere. But don't make it's disguise something that you obviously won't find in the wild.
 
On the one hand, yes, but on the other horn, Mawile don't metamorphose in the wild. So the question becomes, has any Mawile ever just lazed around in bed for a whole week? Might explain why it never happens in caves? eh? eh?
Maybe not in caves, but we have seen Mawile having trainers before. They do get caught, so I'd expect that lazing around to have happened before now after they were caught.
 
You know, the manga is downright creepy. Or well, the impression from someone who hasn't read it. All the same, the image I've got of it is quite spooky.
In there I can see a Mawiles luring in trainers to eat them and their squad of pokemon, for the protagonist to almost fall for it too.

The manga is very much adult-oriented, to my understanding. I don't know much about it either, beyond that at some point the three legendary birds apparently get fused together, but if anything, I would expect this fic to be significantly less bloody than some of the manga's plots.



Yep, that's what I thought - you could honestly name basically any random object, and there's a good chance someone out there has made a fakemon based on it. Call it a new rule of the internet, maybe. ^^;

...on that same topic, I'm rather enjoying how the discussion has largely turned to what is essentially creating/speculating on a Mawile evo by way of collective decision. :) Makes me tempted to draw some of the ideas being thrown out - I probably even would, if not for the fact that doing so would really cut into the progress of the next chapter (and everything else I'm trying to work on).

Maybe Fate? fat Fae and ate?

"Fate" is too simple I think, and hard to find a good way to spell that isn't just the normal word - but that does make me think of a different name. If I do eventually have a Mawile evolution appear in this story, and wanted to go real dark with how it was obtained... well, "Faetred" might work pretty well.

Ho-oh, literally just Ho-oh. As seen in the connection between it and the legendary beast trio.

Ho-oh is a Phoenix, yes, and it DOES supposedly have the mystical power to resurrect the dead (and create life, assuming the Beast trio wasn't a one off thing)... but to my knowledge, that's not its actual purpose. Its title is "Guardian of the Skies", and there's no indication its resurrection ability is supposed to be more than a rare miracle type of thing. Even then, reincarnation != resurrection, so that's not quite what I was getting at.

I think the point there is that a Mega Mawile is no longer in need of ambush tactics. It's now The Big Fish; it can afford for its prey to understand just how screwed they are, because they're still screwed either way.

I would imagine this is the case, yes. Mega Mawile is no longer an ambush predator, it is a Teeth Machine that wrecks everything put in front of/behind it. Deception is no longer even remotely the goal.

It's also because Mega-Evolution isn't actually 'Evolution' by the Pokemon definition; Mega-Evolution is basically pumping a Pokemon full of magic steroids and causing it to get hueg and go on a power trip, normal Pokemon Evolution is an actual metamorphosis to a different stage of the Pokemon's life-cycle.

Actually, having watched some of the XY anime since the last time this was mentioned, I may have been wrong about this? It's claimed there that the power from mega evolution actually comes from inside of the Pokemon in question rather than the mega stones themselves, which I didn't see mentioned anywhere when I looked up the subject before. That said, I'm not going to state absolutely that I was wrong, because even Professor Sycamore in the anime doesn't know all that much about mega evolution (despite the fact that it's his area of specialty, and mega evolution has been around for a REALLY long time according to Korrina and her grandfather), and I feel like my earlier interpretation still tracks a lot better, especially given just how much mega evolution seems to hurt in the anime. Like, a fair number of the Pokemon that use it let out some real guttural screams in the process - it's actually kind of startling. Both this and the "reversion" of mega evolution are explained in the anime as potentially occurring because the power the Pokemon has unleashed simply isn't sustainable for prolonged periods of time, but combined with the way several Pokemon tend to go outright berserk upon mega evolving, I feel like it makes a lot more sense if the "power they can't handle" is coming from an outside source - like, say, the fraction of a legendary's power that created and is contained within the mega stone, which has now been absorbed into the Pokemon's body.

...if they didn't want people to come to this conclusion, they sure made it shockingly easy to arrive at anyways.

Alternatively, you could enhance the quality of the lure somehow. Puppy dog eyes, maybe? Or you could just outright cheat with hypnotic eyes.

Natural puppy dog eyes strikes me as more fitting for a prevo for Mawile, but hypnotic eyes could certainly work. Would probably require leaning into the more mystical aspect of youkai to pull it off in the design though.

...also, that avatar is absolutely horrifying. Very appropriate for a discussion about something playing cute for its other goals, but horrifying nonetheless.
 
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The manga is very much adult-oriented, to my understanding. I don't know much about it either, beyond that at some point the three legendary birds apparently get fused together, but if anything, I would expect this fic to be significantly less bloody than some of the manga's plots.
It's not that bad. Yeah, it explores some of the implications of the world, certain arcs get dark *cough*Ruby and Sapphire*cough*, but generally it stays within the pg-13 rating. To my knowledge, the only time you actually see a bloody death is the aftermath of Lynsarde getting impaled on a stalagmite.

Though yes, that bit about the birds happened, the first two arcs were a bit weird.

EDIT: Corrected Lynsarde's fate.
 
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Actually, having watched some of the XY anime since the last time this was mentioned, I may have been wrong about this? It's claimed there that the power from mega evolution actually comes from inside of the Pokemon in question rather than the mega stones themselves, which I didn't see mentioned anywhere when I looked up the subject before. That said, I'm not going to state absolutely that I was wrong, because even Professor Sycamore in the anime doesn't know all that much about mega evolution (despite the fact that it's his area of specialty, and mega evolution has been around for a REALLY long time according to Korrina and her grandfather), and I feel like my earlier interpretation still tracks a lot better, especially given just how much mega evolution seems to hurt in the anime. Like, a fair number of the Pokemon that use it let out some real guttural screams in the process - it's actually kind of startling. Both this and the "reversion" of mega evolution are explained in the anime as potentially occurring because the power the Pokemon has unleashed simply isn't sustainable for prolonged periods of time, but combined with the way several Pokemon tend to go outright berserk upon mega evolving, I feel like it makes a lot more sense if the "power they can't handle" is coming from an outside source - like, say, the fraction of a legendary's power that created and is contained within the mega stone, which has now been absorbed into the Pokemon's body.

...if they didn't want people to come to this conclusion, they sure made it shockingly easy to arrive at anyways.

I think this is actually supposed to be the case. One of my issues with Mega Evolution has always been the fact that they always talk about it as like some kind of powerful expression of the bond between trainer and Pokémon, and then you have the Pokédex entries...

Mega Kangaskhan, whose child is only good at fighting so she worries about its future.
Mega Scizor which starts to melt if it stays in the form too long.
Mega Tyranitar who is in so much pain that "its destructive instincts are all that keeps it going."
Mega Banette which literally cannot help but curse its own trainer.

Every Pokédex entry is either about what kind of horrifying violence theywant to get up to, or about just how agonizing the experience is.

And that's why mega evolution is the mark of a true bond of friendship, kids! Because your friends are willing to put up with physical and psychological torture so you can flex on Youngster Joey!
 
I think this is actually supposed to be the case. One of my issues with Mega Evolution has always been the fact that they always talk about it as like some kind of powerful expression of the bond between trainer and Pokémon, and then you have the Pokédex entries...

Mega Kangaskhan, whose child is only good at fighting so she worries about its future.
Mega Scizor which starts to melt if it stays in the form too long.
Mega Tyranitar who is in so much pain that "its destructive instincts are all that keeps it going."
Mega Banette which literally cannot help but curse its own trainer.

Every Pokédex entry is either about what kind of horrifying violence theywant to get up to, or about just how agonizing the experience is.

And that's why mega evolution is the mark of a true bond of friendship, kids! Because your friends are willing to put up with physical and psychological torture so you can flex on Youngster Joey!
IIRC that's mostly retcons from one gen to the next. In Sun and Moon it seemed like they decided to go out of their way to try and portray megaevolution as a bad, cruel thing, completely contrary to how it was portrayed in X and Y. In the anime season of X and Y there was a bit of "yeah, practice this first because the first couple of times all that extra energy mi~ght lead to the pokemon going a little bit berserk." But that was about it, iirc.

Then in Sun and Moon they wanted to get rid of megas from the multiplayer vs. meta to make more room for Z-moves. So they not only made it so that the only way to get a mega stone was to transfer from the old game, they also made a big deal in the pokedex entries about it being a horrible, evil trainer thing to do.
 
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IIRC that's mostly retcons from one gen to the next. In Sun and Moon it seemed like they decided to go out of their way to try and portray megaevolution as a bad, cruel thing, completely contrary to how it was portrayed in X and Y. In the anime season of X and Y there was a bit of "yeah, practice this first because the first couple of times all that extra energy mi~ght lead to the pokemon going a little bit berserk." But that was about it, iirc.

Then in Sun and Moon they wanted to get rid of megas from the multiplayer vs. meta to make more room for Z-moves. So they not only made it so that the only way to get a mega stone was to transfer from the old game, they also made a big deal in the pokedex entries about it being a horrible, evil trainer thing to do.
Makes sense. Though I had honestly forgotten that mega-evolution and Z-moves were different things. I just threw them both in with dynamax in a bin labelled "extraneous dramatic nonsense."
 
I missed how we started discussing mawile evolutions, but now that we are... imagine something that plays off the classic tar baby or mimic, where the evolved mawile can produce a sticky substance that smells like perfume, perhaps as saliva from the maw. She would spread it over her body before a hunt and use the smell as a lure. Once something strikes and sticks to her they are sitting ducks for her deadly maw.

To better endure being bit and/or clawed as part of this trap, the evolved mawile would take the clothed appearance of mawile and turn it into a loose and disposable second skin which can be shed easily if it gets too damaged.

Ability: Sticky Skin
Contact prevents escape and disables move used

Pokedex trivia:
An evolved mawile that has yet to recover from sheding skin will hide until it regrows or can find an artificial replacement, which leads some to call it the 'Modest pokemon'

Trainers often delight in playing dress up with their evolved mawile, only to be dismayed at how roughly the pokemon treats it's clothes. Rugged fabrics will last longer and serve the evolved mawile's needs better.

An evolved mawile's perfume remains sticky for about 3 hours and adheres to most organic materials and plastics, but finds no purchase on metal or stone. Attempting to destick anything before the perfume weakens is futile.

The only way to tell if your evolved mawile feels hungry or cuddly is how it smells. Evolved mawile trainers with bad noses often go missing.
 
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Every Pokédex entry is either about what kind of horrifying violence theywant to get up to, or about just how agonizing the experience is.
I think the dex entries for SM/USM is rotom either being a troll or edgy. Or has something against megas.

You do have to remember that rotom is a ghost type and likes to wreck havoc according the DPPt/BW/XY pokedex

The pokedex entries for megas on LGPE is nowhere near as edgy.
 
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