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General Exalted Thread
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I was thinking more of Jeager height, which I assumed to be 50 meters but on checking it more 75 meters. Since exalted 3e strength feats seems more kick down the door or throw an animal, it strikes me that said Kaiju should do an insane amount of damage. At the same time exalted scaling seems non linear.
The issue that bugs me is T. rex expy tyrant lizards get legendary size, which seems way smaller than a kaiju.
HalfTangible
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Legendary Size varies. The major point of the merit is that they're bigger than normal sized humans and exalts.
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There's Mahicara, but I don't think it's sheer scale is represented paticularly well outside of fights that go on long enough for it to recover limbs.
I've had an idea for a boss where to adequately hurt it you need to climb the body through a series of gambits Shadow of the Colossus style.
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It's a Charm-only effect. More Dice doesn't really grant magical power at that level, it's the domain of fairly mundane displays like a blow that makes it past someone's raised defense that is like, so good at defending you guys.
Exalts have various Charms to block stuff called "uncountable damage" in Ex3, which is arbitrarily large damage sources like falling meteors, volcanic eruptions, and cascading magical network failure that would go off like some kind of magical nuke. Without these, in the face of Uncountable Damage, you'd just die. Some of their Charmsets have holes in them, most notably DBs, who lack a means of dealing with it IIRC, but in general it is pretty clear that they're meant to have some means of dealing with it. This is Ex3's "parry a falling mountain" effect.
In Ex2, these were the "Perfect Defenses" that nullified literally everything and were generally super annoying to play with and around so good riddance to them.
Zicnal, Mahicara, and some Warstriders exist in the size range that you seem to be wanting, but it's true that Legendary Size is not a very flexible mechanic.
grommile
nasty-minded old cynic
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Perfect defences were a sticking-plaster for the real problems.
HalfTangible
Only half sane (it's less cringe)
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Creation is the power source for the Games of Divinity.
No, they were one layer of many very real problems, all of which really sucked to play around. Good riddance to Ex2 in general, it only functioned when you weren't playing the Exalted. Fixing the "real problems" and leaving Perfect Defenses still leaves you with a boring broken game system, they were one of many things that needed to be removed to render the game playable.
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I've always associated the visual of a character parrying a falling meteor or some other impossible thing with Exalted as a whole, but mostly with Solars.
I think in a game I'm running I'd probably just tell the Solar player "yeah if you have Heavenly Guardian Defense that's probably something you can do." Technically the Charm by itself doesn't let you do things like the Swing the Bat scene from FLCL, but I like to be permissive about it.
I think in a game I'm running I'd probably just tell the Solar player "yeah if you have Heavenly Guardian Defense that's probably something you can do." Technically the Charm by itself doesn't let you do things like the Swing the Bat scene from FLCL, but I like to be permissive about it.
I feel like parrying/dodging/tanking impossible things should have been separate charms from the nerfed perfect defence emergency buttons.
Um... Heavenly Guardian Defense does exactly that?
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Perfect Defenses are still very much A Thing in Exalted 3E.
They all let you evade arbitrary environmental damage - referred to as "uncountable damage" - for a scene. So you dodge that exploding Manse, take that Meteor to the chin, parry that Tsunami, and so on.
For actual combat, they're nerfed compared to 2E in that their main function is to allow you to defend against attacks you could not otherwise defend against, without that defense actually being perfect (but typically very good).
I think this generally does a good job of fulfilling the fantasy of "I can parry/dodge/survive anything" for Celestial Exalts, without making it so that those Charms turn combat into an experience of having to mote-tap your opponent first.
They all let you evade arbitrary environmental damage - referred to as "uncountable damage" - for a scene. So you dodge that exploding Manse, take that Meteor to the chin, parry that Tsunami, and so on.
For actual combat, they're nerfed compared to 2E in that their main function is to allow you to defend against attacks you could not otherwise defend against, without that defense actually being perfect (but typically very good).
- Solars (and probably Abyssals and Infernals) get a Dodge one just perfectly defends 1/scene, reset by dodging three decisive attacks. This is notably the only "perfect defense" that just evades an attack, no rolloff or anything. The Melee/Parry one trades Initiative for lowering the damage of a Decisive Attack, so you really gotta crash the user first before damaging them. The Resistance-one lets them apply their full Soak against a Decisive Attack, so the attack better be really strong in order to damage them.
- Lunars get a Dexterity/Dodge one that lets them apply their Evasion against Undodgeable Attacks, and 1/scene (reset three dodges) reduce the damage of a decisive attack by their Evasion. They also get a Dexterity/Parry one that lets them Parry Unblockable Attacks, and for a surcharge roll their Initiative to gain a huge non-charm bonus to Parry (it is 1/scene with a difficult reset). They also gain a Stamina one that doesn't help against attacks, but reduces the damage from environmental hazards.
- Sidereals get a Resistance charm that increase the target number of an enemy's damage roll (including withering damage). A Melee charm that increase the target number of an attack (including withering) and allows them to block unblockable attacks, and to gain Initiative on blocking succesfully. And a Dodge charm that can defend against anything - you gotta roll off normally, all it does is substitute your Evasion, but you always get a Defense with it even if the attack could not normally be defended against.
- Celestial Exigents generally get something like the above.
- Dragonbloods do not get any "perfect defense" as such, not getting anything that can defend against unblockable or undodgeable attacks. They do get a single Essence 4 Resistance Charm that lets them reduce uncountable damage to something they can survive, without perfectly defending against that either.
- Terrestrial Exigents generally get something like the above.
I think this generally does a good job of fulfilling the fantasy of "I can parry/dodge/survive anything" for Celestial Exalts, without making it so that those Charms turn combat into an experience of having to mote-tap your opponent first.
In 2e it is called blocking the unblockable. I only remember 1 effect that lets you do that outside of perfect parries, a Chaos Targe "Forged from one of the shining scales that fall from Oramus's wings like autumn leaves, this circular shield..." I can ask the 2e channel in the official Exalted Discord for other effects if you want.
2e has a few giant critters like that, Mount Mostath and The Juggernaut spring to mind.
The Unquestionable's bodies are their own thing, they are still the souls of the Yozis, but not actually a physical part of them the way that a World Jouten would be.
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You misunderstand me. The fantasy I'm talking about is protecting others using something like HGD. Like, parrying a falling meteor and batting it away from the city it was about to destroy. Cutting a landslide in half to protect a caravan on a dangerous mountain pass. The Charm as written is always sufficient to protect the Solar, but I like to be permissive in letting it protect others as well.
Liminals chapter for the PG dropped, and after a moderately thorough read of all the Charms during lunch, my favorite remains Cuspidate Counterattack, which lets you counterattack by spitting your teeth at people.
Also, don't make the mistake I almost did an sleep on the Appendix, they have some neat Charm clarifications from Essence Core, and two whole new armor tags on top of the two that are repeated from Pillars.
Also, don't make the mistake I almost did an sleep on the Appendix, they have some neat Charm clarifications from Essence Core, and two whole new armor tags on top of the two that are repeated from Pillars.
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Question, in two e and three e, how easy is it for solar exalted and dragon blood exalted to get good relatively economic defenses. The test here is to surivive six hostile soldiers with sledgehammers (and bows), when then exalted down to 20% motes and the sledgehammer guys are invincible for five rounds.
Why are you asking that?
No, seriously, for what purpose is that question being posed? Because if it's for a story, that's a foolish mistake because stories shouldn't be asking those kinds of questions and shouldn't be happening in a white room anyway. If it's for a game, the answer is "it depends on how you mechanise that situation", but it's probably not for a game because that's a very contrived situation. Same applies for a quest. And if it's a VS debate, you should really be working that out yourself.
HalfTangible
Only half sane (it's less cringe)
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Assuming that running away isn't an option (it really should be) the motes are irrelevant here. Get artifact heavy armor and a medium daiklave.
Six hostile soldiers versus one exalt where the Exalt can't fight back (so they're not trivial enemies) means that every round the Exalt is at a minimum taking 6 onslaught, so parry and evasion are only so helpful. What you need is soak and hardness, and a lot of it, so get heavy artifact plate and charms to boost soak. Also get a medium daiklave for the free +1 defense, take a full defense action every turn (I might've gotten the name wrong), and budget your excellencies. Deebs also can take Stoking Bonfire Style which gets cheaper with every succesful parry or melee attack, and I believe there's a Solar charm that lets you ignore a certain amount of onslaught penalty.
Note: this probably won't save you because you've now got six enemies free farming you for initiative that they will then unleash one after the other. If they have dice pools that are even remotely likely to hit you, you are (probably) going to die unless you took as many ox-bodies as possible and also Pain Tolerance.
This seems a ridiculous scenario and I don't understand its purpose.
What he said.
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All Onslaught actually. (And all other penalties too, except sense based ones).
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So does Malfea's body have/produce green fire
Malfeas' body is Hell.
So, yes?