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Project Prometheus (Original Setting Superhero Quest)

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Wing101r said:
Even with FastPass song would just be B and could pretend to be c by hiding his full powers like how DS is considered C instead of A.

War arc means we could lose people and that's a worst outcome than risking OPSEC.
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In terms of stat line, Song is already stronger than base Dream Catcher. I think even if we give him a potency 6 power he'll be capable of pulling his weight.

I'd rather spend the fast pass on a build with more flexibility and on a support character who will buff/support the whole team rather than be another straightforward fighter.
 
Bitterman said:
ss. Something about Valiant Gold finding notes on the construction of the generators between the pages of her predecessor's erotic screenplay
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Hopefully Ellie is taking enough time for herself that this was recreational reading and incidental discovery

I'm leaning towards leaving Song at 3 and saving the fast pass for whoever we do later this turn in case that's necessary to get a healing synergy
 
Orbmorb said:
Hopefully Ellie is taking enough time for herself that this was recreational reading and incidental discovery

I'm leaning towards leaving Song at 3 and saving the fast pass for whoever we do later this turn in case that's necessary to get a healing synergy
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Soraia needing fastpass for healing is likely.

That said we can just pay the 1k we need to fastpass her when it's her turn in Midissue.

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Build for Song w Fastpass

[] Plan Vanguard
-[] Mr Hunch 1
-[] Soldier X 1
-[] Steadfast 2
-[] Daggermaw 1
-[] Frostbite 3
-[] Potency Reduction 3
-[] Total Potency 5

Keywords: Battle Precognition, Telekinesis, Enhanced Strenght X2, Fitness, Regeneration, Enhanced Senses, Clairvoyance Invulnerability X2, Transformation

Soldier X to help song recover from Old Age.

Invulnerability X2 to let him Tank attacks properly.

Frostbite to for both Battle Precognition and Telekinesis being boosted through Strenght X2 and Elemental Manipulation.
 
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Bitterman said:
"Which brings me to my suggestion," you say, "By creating nothing but high-level metahumans, Justice Unlimited has quickly regained its strength. However, just as important as having access to Project Prometheus, is how it's been kept secret."

"Good OPSEC is Double L's forte," Doctor Silver agrees.

"Yes, but even that will fail if you continue to recruit nothing but A and S class metahumans," you say, "I know Menagerie Witch and Belle Sabreuse are not Prometheans, but having eight metahumans all as or more powerful than any active duty member of New Dawn strains credulity. You need more C and B class metahumans to make it seem like Justice Unlimited's success is tied to a broad recruiting effort than some sort of ability to produce powerful heroes on command."
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Wing101r said:
The risk of Losing any Heroes is worst than risk of failing to complete our GAs.
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I mean, we are being told blatantly that we need to mitigate our threat profile by not always going as high if we want to do our best to maintain Project Prometheus' secrecy. Some of our enemies already think its a power booster project, let's not give the chance for even that wrong perception to spread. Song is able to leverage the stats and skills to make a lower power build work well as is.

If we are worried about losing people due to War on Heaven, then just go for a Deadman or Steadfast build as those are the most durable samples we have, and anything that could hurt someone with those would be slicing through something like Antaneus, Sewer Rat, or Frostbite anyway.
 
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Again, I know I'm beating a dead horse, but the Phoenix stuff would give us an excuse for Song's existence! He never learned about his power because he'd never died before, etc, etc, yada yada!
 
I also wanna bring up that the cover story for Song Chihiro brought up mainly benefits the former himself. Should we decide to make him an A-class hero, it would mainly benefit Song, but not necessarily Justice Unlimited as a whole, since the whole thing is about "how JU keeps finding super strong heroes". How would this affect the rest of our candidates like Soraia, Shelley, and Simão?
 
The Laurent said:
Again, I know I'm beating a dead horse, but the Phoenix stuff would give us an excuse for Song's existence! He never learned about his power because he'd never died before, etc, etc, yada yada!
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Chihiro is gonna give us the cover with Song taking up her Gramps Hero identity.

Due to similar powersets no matter how what we get.

It's why Om confident fastpass song won't cause issues since I'd be an airtight cover.
 
[] Plan Simple but Effective
-[] Soldier X (1 Potency)
-[] Daggermaw (1 Potency)
-[] Mr. Hunch (1 Potency)
-[] Steadfast (2 Potency)
-[] Millions Minefield (1 Potency)
-[] POTENCY REDUCTIONS (-3 POTENCY)
-[] TOTAL POTENCY OF DOSE: 3

It is a simple plan but it has Battle Precognition, Telekinesis and Invulnerability.
 
I think we should consider going a bit further afield with Song. Not just stack samples we know will result in neat synergies.

Just relying on existing synergies is nice, but we lose the capacity to find out more. We need to do exploration — and this is the ideal case, where we'd be alright with a wide variety of powers and he has a good stat line already.

We're much less likely to do that with high potency powers, so we should take the chances we get to look around for potential synergies.

We can't get them all by Bitterman making bets he loses in an hour :V
 
I'm going to bring up a previous suggestion for Song:
Gore17 said:
With regards to the Song builds, I have a different suggestion:
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The Red Huntress: Transformation, Enhanced Senses, Fitness, Enhanced Speed, Invisibility, Energy Manipulation, Clairvoyance
Daggermaw: Transformation, Enhanced Strength, Enhanced Senses
Mister Hunch: Clairvoyance

Total Keywords: Transformation x2, Enhanced Senses x2, Clairvoyance x2, Enhanced Strength, Enhanced Speed, Fitness, Invisibility, Energy Manipulation

Known Synergies: Battle Precognition, Telekinesis, Intangibility.

I called this the Red Huntress 2.0 build. The lower potency will hopefully be compensated by his skills and experience. And Red Huntress was considered one of the weaker members because the mark and associated power boost was kept secret.
 
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Pawn Lelouch said:
I mean, we are being told blatantly that we need to mitigate our threat profile by not always going as high if we want to do our best to maintain Project Prometheus' secrecy. Some of our enemies already think its a power booster project, let's not give the chance for even that wrong perception to spread. Song is able to leverage the stats and skills to make a lower power build work well as is.

If we are worried about losing people due to War on Heaven, then just go for a Deadman or Steadfast build as those are the most durable samples we have, and anything that could hurt someone with those would be slicing through something like Antaneus, Sewer Rat, or Frostbite anyway.
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" You need more C and B class metahumans to make it seem like Justice Unlimited's success is tied to a broad recruiting effort than some sort of ability to produce powerful heroes on command."

We need C and B class. Even with Fastpass Wulong would only count as B class who punches through age, skill and experience. Hell its likely public would think his just C class if they dont about some of his powersets like Battle Precog.

Again DS is C considered instead of A so faking powerlevels is a valid move.
 
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With the revelation of how Rosemary's Baby works, I've come and mess with a few builds. Here's one of them

Carmilla of Horizon
Nox (6) + Δ Féth Fíada (3) + Eastwood (2) + Mister Hunch (1) = 12

Build for Shelley. I want to cut right down into the middle and have both a Nox build and an ESP build for Shelley. At first, i was going for Miss Conception, but then i remember both Red Huntress' and Féth's tags. Eventually settled with Féth for the potential of transforming into a mist, which is a vampire ability. Moreover it has the potential to get Intangibility as synergy.

It's however reliant on a gamble based on how much it removes from Féth. If we're lucky, we'd get to keep the Invisibility and Clairvoyance aspect of Féth. If we aren't, I'm gonna have to replan everything. And so...

Bitterman said:
Do you wish to create a Δ sample? If so, how many? Format your vote as the following:

[ ] Δ Samples
- [ ] Sample 1
- [ ] Sample 2
- [ ] Total Cost of Δ Samples: X
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[] Plan Δ Basic Fog Machine
-[] Féth Fíada (6)
-[] Total Cost of Δ Samples: 500

I want insurance on if my plan is gonna fail or not. Don't completly know if formatting is correct yet so please let me know if I'm doing anything wrong.
 
Wing101r said:
We'd also want Strong Invulnerability
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His Invulnerablility was very strong.

Bitterman said:
he had the most potent form of invulnerability on record. He simply could not be injured in any way. He could not be stabbed, struck, crushed, or burned; he couldn't even starve or drown. To be honest, if his death wasn't confirmed multiple times over from direct goldnine exposure, I wouldn't believe he was dead.
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It would take large amounts of Goldnine to kill somebody of Steadfast's invulnerability.
 
Just had a thought, but Song having similar powers to Chihiro's grandpa while borrowing his old superhero identity will probably reinforce the idea that Project Prometheus is about boosting existing hero's powers rather than creating entirely new ones. This really is the perfect alibi.
 
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Wing101r said:
The risk of Losing any Heroes is worst than risk of failing to complete our GAs.
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If you don't want him to die give him a good Invulnerability package. It's that simple.

The point of a lower potency/mostly passive powerset is not just to provide some cover against people looking at why our entire roster are all high tier heroes, but also

a) give more build diversity

b) to cover our bases if we're fighting something that specifically keys off potency/the strength of the opponent or can nullify active abilities.

I have zero interest in juicing Song further, and all these statements to the effect of "we must make him a potency 8" are frankly just grating and ignoring that what makes him good as a candidate is his extensive martial arts experience.

If you're going to give him fucking waterbender blasts or whatever then we should get someone younger who won't have decades of ingrained habits getting in the way of learning a completely new fighting style.
 
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Arcus said:
If you're going to give him fucking waterbender blasts or whatever then we should get someone younger who won't have decades of ingrained habits getting in the way of learning a completely new fighting style.
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^^^ This. We should give him something touch-based or otherwise generally melee/reflex focused.

...Which, we might be able to do something with the new Multiplex having clairvoyance focused on touching stuff as opposed to Mr. Hunch's sight focus. Does a mix of Telekinesis+Battle Precog building off of Multiplex sound plausible, guys?
 
Most of my plans for the TK stuff involve saying in the post-plan explanation (which Bitterman does listen to and follow! Look at what was said about Lucid's winning Rhys plan and compare it to Handyman's set!) that I'm perfectly fine with Song's TK not having a lot of range in exchange for being balanced both defensively and offensively, reinforcing his body or just acting as a broad shield/bubble that's mostly for deflection of attacks and enhancing his strikes.

There is also the Fast Track idea.
 
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