The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
- Location
- Coleraine
[X] [Ship] Sweet Alicent
I recongize that the Queen Aemma is a better choice (and the likely winner) but we got to honor our waifu.
[] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[] Try and Convince Him
Beesbury probably understands the money and trade factors behind this plan better than anyone.
Plus I worry that Otto would disagree because Corlys agrees.
[X] [Toll] Approach Otto Hightower
-[X] Attempt to Bribe Him
Then again we do need to butter Otto up. Additionally, Viserys tends to listen to his Hand.
[] [Toll] Approach Lord Lyonel Strong
-[] Try and Convince Him
However Otto might ask for too much.
I recongize that the Queen Aemma is a better choice (and the likely winner) but we got to honor our waifu.
[] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[] Try and Convince Him
Beesbury probably understands the money and trade factors behind this plan better than anyone.
Plus I worry that Otto would disagree because Corlys agrees.
[X] [Toll] Approach Otto Hightower
-[X] Attempt to Bribe Him
Then again we do need to butter Otto up. Additionally, Viserys tends to listen to his Hand.
[] [Toll] Approach Lord Lyonel Strong
-[] Try and Convince Him
However Otto might ask for too much.
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[X] [Ship] Queen Aemma
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[X] Try and Convince Him
Between Strong and Beesbury, let's go with the one actually handling the gold, but Strong will definitely have a part in this - the wording of the law and maybe internal normative/structure of the Authority (It just gives me federal autarchy vibes even though the heir will administrate it lol)
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[X] Try and Convince Him
Between Strong and Beesbury, let's go with the one actually handling the gold, but Strong will definitely have a part in this - the wording of the law and maybe internal normative/structure of the Authority (It just gives me federal autarchy vibes even though the heir will administrate it lol)
Somic
It's meow or never
- Pronouns
- She/Her
The only Toll option I actually don't want would be approaching dad. Everybody knows he's on our side already, per Gwayne; our power should come not only from our ability to convince him to back us up. We need to get people to accept us as a powerful and competent person in our own right, and that starts with actually making moves of our own rather than relying on our good relationship with the man who made us heir in the first place.
Bribing Otto sounds like a decent plan to me; as Zimmerwald said, he's responded to that positively in the past, and we will need his approval for the Alicent talk. Although the fact that this plan involves his rival makes me a little nervous about the option...
[X] [Ship] Queen Aemma
[X] [Toll] Approach Otto Hightower
-[X] Attempt to Bribe Him
Bribing Otto sounds like a decent plan to me; as Zimmerwald said, he's responded to that positively in the past, and we will need his approval for the Alicent talk. Although the fact that this plan involves his rival makes me a little nervous about the option...
[X] [Ship] Queen Aemma
[X] [Toll] Approach Otto Hightower
-[X] Attempt to Bribe Him
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[X] [Ship] Queen Aemma
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[X] Try and Convince Him
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[X] Try and Convince Him
[X] [Ship] Queen Aemma
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Lyonel Strong
-[X] Try and Convince Him
I would actually prefer it if we went to Lord Strong, because going to him would make this as much an legal proposal as it is a economic one and I prefer that narratively
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Lyonel Strong
-[X] Try and Convince Him
I would actually prefer it if we went to Lord Strong, because going to him would make this as much an legal proposal as it is a economic one and I prefer that narratively
I have not made up my mind because we have a lot of options right now.
I don´t know if we should go with him because he has a very mercenary view of politics and i think he dislikes Corlys. So i have the feeling that he would sink the proposal despite being good in overall for the 7 kingdoms.
I think he would be very pleased to sponsor the plan for us but i don´t think he has the necessary pull to really guarantee that is approved. If we try to bribe him, i think he would feel slighted instead.
I think that Lyonel would support the plan but not sponsor it because he would feel that this is the prerogative of the master of coin. If we try to bribe him, i think he would be angry at us.
Write in: Joint presentation to Lord Lyonel and Lord Beesbury
[] Try to convince them
I think our presentation would have two sides:
1) the legal precedent: It would be an effective way to standardize tool disputes and how they are judged. It would also free lords to deal with more important matter than toll disputes.
2) The economic advantages: It would give our merchants more safety, agility and profitability when operating on our ports. Safety because it simplifies the issue of tolls, agility because they will already be inspected on the start of the travel and profitability because it makes easier for them to trade and for us to charge tolls.
Why both of them ? Because Royal Toll Authority is a proposal that exists in an intersection of law and commerce, so it needs to be addressed by both of them because otherwise it would be hard to implement.
I think that we should not try to convince our dad because he usually a broad picture kind of king. I think we will lose him in the first part of our explanation. Also i don´t quite like the optics that this would give to us. We will pass this measure because it´s a good idea, makes sense and we convinced the small council.
I don´t know if we should go with him because he has a very mercenary view of politics and i think he dislikes Corlys. So i have the feeling that he would sink the proposal despite being good in overall for the 7 kingdoms.
I think he would be very pleased to sponsor the plan for us but i don´t think he has the necessary pull to really guarantee that is approved. If we try to bribe him, i think he would feel slighted instead.
I think that Lyonel would support the plan but not sponsor it because he would feel that this is the prerogative of the master of coin. If we try to bribe him, i think he would be angry at us.
@Teen Spirit, i would like to do a write in. I´m not exactly sure how one does that but here is my attempt.
Write in: Joint presentation to Lord Lyonel and Lord Beesbury
[] Try to convince them
I think our presentation would have two sides:
1) the legal precedent: It would be an effective way to standardize tool disputes and how they are judged. It would also free lords to deal with more important matter than toll disputes.
2) The economic advantages: It would give our merchants more safety, agility and profitability when operating on our ports. Safety because it simplifies the issue of tolls, agility because they will already be inspected on the start of the travel and profitability because it makes easier for them to trade and for us to charge tolls.
Why both of them ? Because Royal Toll Authority is a proposal that exists in an intersection of law and commerce, so it needs to be addressed by both of them because otherwise it would be hard to implement.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
Well, Rhaenyra seems to think Viserys would like the plan, just that he won't take it serious if it comes from her. Lyman may not have much political pull, but he absolutely is taken serious.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I want something more clever than just "Queen Aemma" as the ship name but I can't think of anything. :/
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Lyonel Strong
-[X] Try and Convince Him
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Lyonel Strong
-[X] Try and Convince Him
- Location
- Lake Wobegon
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
You're overthinking this. Approaching Beesbury wouldn't be an option if his support wasn't likely to be efficacious. Lannister, Westerling, and Mellos have all been excluded as options, and they're all equally on the Small Council.
CharlieKing
Pure of Heart, Dumb of Ass
- Pronouns
- They/Them
no he didn't
he did!
ISEMBARD MY MAN!!!
is there a way to do that legally?
@Teen Spirit i'm not super sure of how feasible this is, but would it be possible to have a portion of Rhaenyra's share of tolls be put in Alicent's name as part of her dowry? or just outright in her name? and would doing this be a viable way of convincing Otto to agree to let Rhaenyra and Alicent have a larger say in who she marries?
if the whole Septa thing doesn't work out, i figure the next best thing is getting influence over the betrothal.
i admit i'm clueless in economics so i might be way off the mark.
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[X] [Ship] Queen Aemma
[X] [Toll] Approach Otto Hightower
-[X] Attempt to Bribe Him
I agree with Zimmerwald, not only do I think this is very likely to succeed, but also, actually showing Otto in tangible ways that we can be a very powerful ally for him and his family will certainly help in our efforts when we ask him for an alliance to keep Alicent by our side.
[X] [Toll] Approach Otto Hightower
-[X] Attempt to Bribe Him
I agree with Zimmerwald, not only do I think this is very likely to succeed, but also, actually showing Otto in tangible ways that we can be a very powerful ally for him and his family will certainly help in our efforts when we ask him for an alliance to keep Alicent by our side.
- Location
- Pittsburgh PA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] [Ship] Queen Aemma
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[X] Try and Convince Him
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[X] Try and Convince Him
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] [Ship] Queen Aemma
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[X] Try and Convince Him
I just think he's the bee's knees.
In reality I think that Lord Strong will back it regardless, and he is an intelligent man he will likely put together that we came upon this idea through our studying even without directly trying to convince him. Also bribing Lord Strong is a bad play.
Otto likely requires the bribe, he may respect any play, but showing a bit of underhandedness I think would be something Otto actually would respect from us, especially as it directly lets him benefit, however I'd prefer to not go that route, one we're terrible in intrigue and he'll notice that and I think it adds more conflict with our future interactions with him, we want to have more power over-him and empowering him directly with bribery has the ability to do that but also to backfire. Basically we should try and get this power position, so that we have further influence that isn't connected to him.
Now Lord Beesbury, he already has shown belief in us with his gambling, I'm certain he knew. And he stayed loyal to our father/us in canon, he is for making money, but also he has principles, I think he would accept a bribe but it would likely lower his opinion of us. So we should approach him as an equal, and make our case, confirm his belief in us again, not going to him on this matter I could see being somewhat disrespectful.
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[X] Try and Convince Him
I just think he's the bee's knees.
In reality I think that Lord Strong will back it regardless, and he is an intelligent man he will likely put together that we came upon this idea through our studying even without directly trying to convince him. Also bribing Lord Strong is a bad play.
Otto likely requires the bribe, he may respect any play, but showing a bit of underhandedness I think would be something Otto actually would respect from us, especially as it directly lets him benefit, however I'd prefer to not go that route, one we're terrible in intrigue and he'll notice that and I think it adds more conflict with our future interactions with him, we want to have more power over-him and empowering him directly with bribery has the ability to do that but also to backfire. Basically we should try and get this power position, so that we have further influence that isn't connected to him.
Now Lord Beesbury, he already has shown belief in us with his gambling, I'm certain he knew. And he stayed loyal to our father/us in canon, he is for making money, but also he has principles, I think he would accept a bribe but it would likely lower his opinion of us. So we should approach him as an equal, and make our case, confirm his belief in us again, not going to him on this matter I could see being somewhat disrespectful.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Lyonel Strong
-[X] Try and Convince Him
-[X] Try and Convince Him
- Pronouns
- Reader
[X] [Ship] Fire and Blood
[X] [Ship] The Dread's Shadow.
[X] [Ship] The Dread's Shadow.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
If Viserys names her, then it is legal.
It would be in contravention of custom, of course. There was Lord Franklyn Fossoway, who became Master of Coin under Jaehaerys because his wife was good at finances, and took over the job. But notably, he was appointed.
However, well, we are a contravention of custom as well. And in Dorne, women absolutely can not only inherit, but take on court positions as well - in the books, Prince Doran's Lady Treasurer is Alyse Ladybright. And since we are making Dorne part of the realm now, well...
[jk] [Toll] Try and Convince King Viserys
-[jk] Attempt to Bribe Him
Viserys: Rhaenyra why are you handing me a bag of gold
Rhaenyra: oops wrong person.
-[jk] Attempt to Bribe Him
Viserys: Rhaenyra why are you handing me a bag of gold
Rhaenyra: oops wrong person.
Inverted Fallecy
Beware the Dialogue that Spews Forth!~
- Location
- Somewhere behind a Screen.~
[X] [Ship] Queen Aemma
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[X] Try and Convince Him
[X] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[X] Try and Convince Him
UrbanAvena
Stair climber and vertical movement enthusiast
- Location
- In the stairwell and elevator shaft.
[X] [Ship] Queen Aemma
[ ] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[ ] Try and Convince Him
Lord Beesbury have responded quite positively every time we involved ourselves on trade and coin and this is naturally his Domain and/or may be the master of Ships Tyland.
The only snag with Approaching Beesbury is it is the easy way out and doesn't capitalize on the possible relation improvement of people that remarkably not as Loyal as our Jolly Old Lyman "I will not have THIS." Beesbury. He will love this and love us.
Lyonel is not Beesbury loyal he instead just Cordial but he is dutiful so he can be convinced and our cordial relation may Improve.
For Otto this is in fact one of the limited chance to increase his opinion of us because he like power, he like clever scheme, and he like to be bribed. In fact he is the only one that is sure to react more positively to bribe. The power of the proposal may convince him regardless though.
But as part of checking Otto power caucus it behoove me to not involve him here.
Edit* After some more pondering as part of "we must convince Otto with clever scheme" Caucus I regrettably must not vote Lyman
[X] [Toll] Approach Otto Hightower
-[X] Attempt to Bribe Him
[ ] [Toll] Approach Lord Beesbury
-[ ] Try and Convince Him
Lord Beesbury have responded quite positively every time we involved ourselves on trade and coin and this is naturally his Domain and/or may be the master of Ships Tyland.
The only snag with Approaching Beesbury is it is the easy way out and doesn't capitalize on the possible relation improvement of people that remarkably not as Loyal as our Jolly Old Lyman "I will not have THIS." Beesbury. He will love this and love us.
Lyonel is not Beesbury loyal he instead just Cordial but he is dutiful so he can be convinced and our cordial relation may Improve.
For Otto this is in fact one of the limited chance to increase his opinion of us because he like power, he like clever scheme, and he like to be bribed. In fact he is the only one that is sure to react more positively to bribe. The power of the proposal may convince him regardless though.
But as part of checking Otto power caucus it behoove me to not involve him here.
Edit* After some more pondering as part of "we must convince Otto with clever scheme" Caucus I regrettably must not vote Lyman
[X] [Toll] Approach Otto Hightower
-[X] Attempt to Bribe Him
Agree. If there is any matter it will be taken seriously from Lyman it will be this one. He is not lightweight Petyr "embezzle money and create debt" Baelish. He is 70 years old Master of Coin serving for longer than most of his peer been alive.
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- Location
- Lake Wobegon
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Apropos of this, TeenSpirit on Discord:
"I will say you can absolutely use any bribes made now as part of an argument to convince Otto later."
