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Show Daemon ambushed her and beat her to death with a rock because he couldn't take her snark. Well okay he spooked her horse which broke her back then he beat her to death with a rock after she taunted him
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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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Good to know. I was under the impression she died to a plain old hunting accident while he was in the Stepstones.
That definitely drives up the risk of the gamble.
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Daemon is a pretty capable assassin in canon. To wit, he kills Rhaea, Laena's fiance, Vaemond Velaryon and kills Laenor/fakes his death depending on book or show rendition. He definitely isn't averse to using murder to get what he wants, even during peace time.
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The way I see it, if we share our concerns about Dad's doctor to our crazy uncle and he up and murders the bad doctor as a way of forcing Dad to get a second opinion, that's not great but it's kind of a "not my circus, not my monkeys" situation.
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Daemons visit period will be causing Viserys stress. He's not going to be a gracious winner or fail to pick fights. Does it at all measure up to the possibility Mellos makes it another year or longer and proper treatment is delayed for that length?
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It's meow or never
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Maybe it will, maybe it won't, depending on how exactly he goes about this... the funny thing though is the mental image of Rhaenyra defending her uncle (if whatever he does is in any way defensible, and if Rhaenyra gets a voice about it). That's such an unlikely combo that Viserys might just be too baffled to be stressed
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Ehh, you're right. I dunno, I'll be retracting my vote. I don't know what to think.
Maybe it will, maybe it won't, depending on how exactly he goes about this... the funny thing though is the mental image of Rhaenyra defending her uncle (if whatever he does is in any way defensible, and if Rhaenyra gets a voice about it). That's such an unlikely combo that Viserys might just be too baffled to be stressed
That one time the person you absolutely despise is, unfortunately, right.
That said we can die on the hill that it was a problem even if we don´t agree on the "solution" Daemon provided.
Yes, he should have not killed/murdered/assassinated Melos BUT it was true that his treatment was ineffective.
Maybe we will get lucky and he will be banished once more from Kings Landing. You never know what Daemon will do.
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If he does the adult thing and convinces Viserys to seek other kind of treatment it won't increase Viserys' stress level, if he intimidates Melos into trying the new treatment it won't increase Viserys' stress level, and if he kills Melos it will only increase Viserys' stress level if he is caught...
So I wouldn't assume this will necessarily increase Viserys' stress levels, and honestly the certainty that Viserys gets a proper treatment beats the possibility of Daemon's actions regarding Melos increasing his stress levels.
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[X] Plan Old Commitments, Preparations And A Massive Gamble
Time to roll the dice
Time to roll the dice
Also to be fair, QM once said that we would have take certain risks in order to cure Viserys.
This won't cure Viserys, but it's certainly a risk.
This won't cure Viserys, but it's certainly a risk.
[X] Plan Old Commitments And Preparations
I do not trust our creepy uncle
I do not trust our creepy uncle
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I disagree, if he gets dad a more effective treatment, then he deserves at the least that we try to mend bridges with him...
That is the beauty of the plan, don't need to trust him, we we just need to trust Daemon to be himself...
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I think it all will come to our conversation. Because we did get him his divorce and a castle of his own, maybe this time he is better disposed towards us ?
But right now, I still think of him as Pretender#1
We still have a bad relation and we don't have a good reason to trust him yet.
That said he has a soft spot for family. He did get a mercenary army to defend Viserys claim in the great council. The big question does he considers us family ?
I don't know. It think he does consider us more family than Johanna + our sister and yet unborn brother. Is that enough to stay his hand, blade and ambitions ?
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Will see if this rewording helps get my discomfort across. I get you proposed it as a funny hypothetical, but to me having someone go "teehee this will just be a secret between the two of us," raises all sorts of hackles when it's between someone Daemon, who canonically creeped on Rhaenyra since she was a child, and alt Rhaenyra. Saying "oh we personally changed her so Daemon doesn't think she's hot," doesn't really help.
Also of course I'm going to use Canon to judge and evaluate personalities? The point of this is its supposed to be in this specific world and the main lever of change is Rhaenyra. I don't see anyway her actions wouldve fundamentally changed the core personalities of like any of the cast. Okay maybe Alicent but I don't think this Alicent feels like an OC, but a more natural gain of self confidence.
Speaking of, if this goes through and Daemon acts like show Daemon and goes to his default setting of violence, if Rhaenyras talk comes out I fully believe Viserys is going to throw most of the blame on her. Canonically when people talk about Daemon and Rhaenyra banging his reaction isn't "brother what the fuck," but "Rhaenyra get your slut ass married Stat." no this isn't Canon but I don't see how or why Viserys' biggest personality quirks--the desire to blame anyone but his brother/refusal to ever try to impose consequences on Daemon--wouldn't still be in full effect here.
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Creation changed a fundamental decade plus of interaction which is both narratively and mechanically impactful to his behavior. Daemon's core is the same true, but key differences in how he interacts and treats others have greatly changed in response to different defining moments in his interactions with family.
Still, fair enough on him and Rhaenyra being held to different standards.
Daemon and Rhaenyra are likely to be held to different standards, but if anything, that could be a benefit here. In canon when they snuck out, the presumed rule breaking was sexual, and Westeros as an extremely sexist society put the blame on the sixteen-year-old instead of her creepy uncle (although Daemon was exiled for it, while Viserys listened to Rhaenyra about getting rid of Otto, so I don't know that it's quite that simple in canon either). But with violence? This is a society where that's considered a male domain. Even though we're a knight, if there's any kind of double standard for holding people responsible here, I think it much more likely that it tilts toward blaming Daemon more and us less.
Especially since we're going to ask him to be an adult and talk to Viserys first, and if he does something crazy instead, it genuinely is on him more than us.
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Excuse you, he conquered that castle, thank you very much