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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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[X] Ask Laena to Stay in King's Landing a while longer

Laena is a dragonrider, which makes it worth the social investment... but in terms of social standing not so skyhigh that a social rebuke from her would be much of a problem. So it's fine.
 
LancyIain said:
So Qoren thinks the Stormlanders have reason to be annoyed. That doesn't bode well for relations there. I'm a bit surprised that he feels that way, and if it's that obvious I'm not sure why nothing has been done by anyone to try to soften things there.
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Stormland is negotiated to be losing territory in contrast with Dorne that lose some and gain some and the Reach that purely gain territory. It is probably because Otto that is a Reacher is on the negotiation table. Appeasing Stormland will need to be our medium-long term agenda.
 
Teen Spirit said:
You stood up, briefly wondering how to take your leave. Even if it was not official until the ink was dry under the final contract, you were betrothed now. Should you perhaps show some affection to Qoren now as you would with Alicent?

Perhaps. But for now, you simply said your farewell.

One step after another.
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Yes, Rhaenyra, don't skip the "friends" step in "strangers to friends to lovers". You like to do romance properly, after all!
 
[X] Ask Laena to Stay in King's Landing a while longer

I think that now that we are betrothed, we can pursue Corlys as an ally.
Yes, he is ambitious and will try to grasp whatever he can but now he can't grasp his main desire,a velarion Queen.
Using the proposed toll system(I think @Azel proposed it ? Don't remember for sure) and turning Corlys back to his position as master of ships could be a good term for alliance.
Also we could turn Laena in our handmaiden too.
And better yet, we can maybe deny a natural ally to Daemon.
 
[X] Ask Laena to Stay in King's Landing a while longer

What if we took a leaf out of canon (well fanon but whose counting) Rhaenyra and simply seduced the realm into being our allies 🤔
 
Fanhunter696 said:
Hey, Laenor is also a very fine young man that I wish we can befriend in the future...
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Personality wise Alicent and Laenor fits to be each other beard. Politically though Otto and Corlys will be apoplectic if they get together. Will not stop us from befriending him for sure.

TheBarrometer said:
What if we took a leaf out of canon (well fanon but whose counting) Rhaenyra and simply seduced the realm into being our allies 🤔
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Not only Rhaenyra will be the First Reigning Queen and First Female Knight she will also be the preeminent figure in modern Westeros LGBT+ historiography. We need to continue learning poetry to make Future Westeros gay swoon.
 
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UrbanAvena said:
Stormland is negotiated to be losing territory in contrast with Dorne that lose some and gain some and the Reach that purely gain territory. It is probably because Otto that is a Reacher is on the negotiation table. Appeasing Stormland will need to be our medium-long term agenda.
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It just seems a bit odd to me that Viserys doesn't seem to care that he's blatantly alienating the Stormlands with the betrothal agreement. Why not find something that they can be given to appease their anger at the Dornish marriage and losing territory? Does he not care at all about one of the seven kingdoms and doing good by them rather than shafting them?
 
TheBarrometer said:
What if we took a leaf out of canon (well fanon but whose counting) Rhaenyra and simply seduced the realm into being our allies 🤔
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I mean if we believe Mushroom's account Nyra and Laena were lovers in the book...
UrbanAvena said:
Personality wise Alicent and Laenor fits to be each other beard. Politically though Otto and Corlys will be apoplectic if they get together.
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Well, regarding Laenor, I think that his best possible marriage option for him is Jeyne Arryn... As the Lady Paramount of the Vale, she is a match that even Corlys can't scoff at, and they can be each other's beard.

Not to mention that the Vale is probably the best possible territory for a dragon besides Dragonstone, so Seasmoke would be happy as well...
Somic said:
✅ Simply befriend every single dragonrider in their family
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We have the work cut out for us with Rhaneys, though... She is pretty skeptical of Nyra, and it is projecting hard on us...
 
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LancyIain said:
It just seems a bit odd to me that Viserys doesn't seem to care that he's blatantly alienating the Stormlands with the betrothal agreement. Why not find something that they can be given to appease their anger at the Dornish marriage and losing territory? Does he not care at all about one of the seven kingdoms and doing good by them rather than shafting them?
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I don't know what Viserys was thinking but it will be our job soon enough. Our progress are yet to pass Stormland and oh boy I am sure they will complain about it directly, boisterously, and loudly as befit Stormlander.

In other hand Azel's RTA proposal does not include canon!Weeping Town yet. They are the closest trade port town north of Stepstone and Stormland main hub of trade. Including them in the scheme may be Beneficial. May be included later after they complain as incentive to play ball with us?

Fanhunter696 said:
Well, regarding Laenor, I think that his best possible marriage option for him is Jeyne Arryn... As the Lady Paramount of the Vale, she is a match that even Corlys can't scoff at, and they can be each other's beard.

Not to mention that the Vale is probably the best possible territory for a dragon besides Dragonstone, so Seasmoke would be happy as well...
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Insightful. It may also push Laena to become Driftmark heir if Laenor consign himself into Jeyne consort. Though I speculate Jeyne would not accept Corlys as Father-In-Law. He may be too over-bearing for her after the experience of her regency.
 
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LancyIain said:
It just seems a bit odd to me that Viserys doesn't seem to care that he's blatantly alienating the Stormlands with the betrothal agreement. Why not find something that they can be given to appease their anger at the Dornish marriage and losing territory? Does he not care at all about one of the seven kingdoms and doing good by them rather than shafting them?
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He cares but he believes they can be appeased in time and the benefits of bringing Dorne into the fold outweigh the short term troubles.
 
From a political perspective giving a man like Corlys a route into Rhaenyra's decisions may be valuable. The man is obviously ambitious but he's also a skilled trader, the man will be inclined to keep his options open and giving him a way to keep a finger in King's Landing via his daughter will do some good for encouraging him to not go all in with whatever nonsense Daemon will get up to.

He'll be a pain in the neck no doubt but making keeping the current inertia going the more palatable option is likely preferable.
 
Teen Spirit said:
I must admit I always thought this route was a very long shot but I am quite pleased to be surprised.
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Honestly it seemed to be a natural progression for Rhaenyra to me rather than unlikely let alone a long shot. From start to finish she has been defined by taking a stand and going "No. You move", by being bold and dutiful but on her terms and in her own way.

Hell it's what keeps throwing Otto for a loop. One moment she is a seasoned political operator fully capable of tempering her rage and being subtle when the moment calls for it. The next she is ritually desecrating 'The rightful order of things' while cackling like a maniac. It isn't surprising that a deeply conservative Westerosi man has no idea what to make of her.

But back to the point almost all the other options were the 'okay' options. They were 'safe' in that they brought acceptable rewards and didn't really upset the apple cart*.

But when has Rhaenyra ever picked the safe option? Why accept 'alright' when she can go big and bold? To completely reshape Westeros with the only real consequence being even more outrage from people that odds are would have never supported or even tolerated her rule anyway.

*Hightower: Otto may be uneasy with how things are going and wants more but he is no Tywin. He isn't going to storm out in a huff and declare a blood feud if he doesn't get everything he wants.
Velyarion: About the only thing they really bring are dragons and coin. Marrying him would just preserve the current standoff leaving you hoping daddy dearest doesn't abuse the new connection. Yeah...
Strong: His own father pointed out the issues here.
.... Etc. Etc.
 
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Teen Spirit said:
"We have much in common, cousin," Laena noted. "I may not have your strength, but we both know what we want and we don't hesitate to claim it, no matter what anyone says."
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Well, hopefully she doesn't decide she wants Daemon this timeline.
Teen Spirit said:
The Realm Will Have Strong Opinions on This
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I never would have guessed :V
LancyIain said:
It just seems a bit odd to me that Viserys doesn't seem to care that he's blatantly alienating the Stormlands with the betrothal agreement. Why not find something that they can be given to appease their anger at the Dornish marriage and losing territory? Does he not care at all about one of the seven kingdoms and doing good by them rather than shafting them?
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Yeah, Qoren mentioned he's bribing the Daynes to go along with the deal costing them land, you'd think Viserys would be tossing the Stormlands a bone on their taxes or something the same way.

One thing I haven't seen people mention, do we want Laena around in Kings Landing while Daemon is arriving to be heroically feted and in a mood to do something impulsive over whatever's pissed him off most recently? While I'd like to spend more time with her, giving Daemon easy access to her is less than ideal.
 
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I realize we've got a million things going on, but finding some time, somewhere, to actually learn how to lead men in battle might be a worthwhile investment. Just as a thought for the future.
 
Wiggy said:
One thing I haven't seen people mention, do we want Laena around in Kings Landing while Daemon is arriving to be heroically feted and in a mood to do something impulsive over whatever's pissed him off most recently? While I'd like to spend more time with her, giving Daemon easy access to her is less than ideal.
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That is indeed worrying. I assumed he will come back whenever he want and we cannot predict it. Though it will be more dangerous if she is meeting him alone where we can not interfere.

@Teen Spirit If I may ask do we know or have prediction when Daemon will return from Stepstone? Last time we heard that he was brooding. Thank you.
 
Rat King said:
I realize we've got a million things going on, but finding some time, somewhere, to actually learn how to lead men in battle might be a worthwhile investment. Just as a thought for the future.
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Whats the point of being a sick ass duelist if we're useless on the battlefield, lets be a sick ass duelist and general!
[X] Ask Laena to Stay in King's Landing a while longer
 
XenonPrime said:
From a political perspective giving a man like Corlys a route into Rhaenyra's decisions may be valuable.
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Wiggy said:
Well, hopefully she doesn't decide she wants Daemon this timeline.
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Yes, but this time the math does not work out. In Cannon Laena marrying Daemon was a natural processes of strengthening Rhaenyra claim.
Now it does not work as much because they don't have a good relationship and Daemon does want Rhaenyra crown.
Also, it is Rhaenyra betrothal that is anchoring Dorne and making Corlys hold on it(The stepstones)possible. We even discussed on it(the betrothal contract) on how the toll would be divided between him and Dorne.
So this time he has a lot of things riding on us being Queen of the seven kingdoms.
Yes, he will use Laena to try to gather favor but at the same time, after the betrothal agreement, it is natural for us to be allies.
Obs: Before it was not because he would keep pressuring us to marry his son. The man really wants his blood on the royal family.
 
[X] Ask Laena to Stay in King's Landing a while longer

We should ask Rhea if she already has a suitor in mind and when is the wedding so we can take Laena to meet her, there is not Anti-Daemon propagandist better than the women herself.
 
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