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Rhaenyra wanted to do so in character, it cropped up in a few updates before, and quite independently of, any questers latching onto the idea.
The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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I know! I had made that joke because of it! But once the Martell option starts getting locked in, it's a lost cause.
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I'll be doing something broadly similar, since it's been clarified that yes, Daemon will be swearing directly to the Iron Throne.
A royal betrothal would normally justify some degree of celebration in its own right. Especially an eldest child, especially an heir to the realm.
I don't mind Daemon having his thing.
But I'm not a fan of Rhaenyra losing what is in part her thing in order to give Daemon his thing.
I think that pushing to add that clause to the contract will cause more trouble than you might think. After all, the big reason why Rhaenyra and Qoren aren't going to be living together full-time is because they're both national leaders who have a lot of governing to do that can only be done from their respective capitals.
Adding more 'required' visits, or more complex visits that take more travel time than a sea voyage from Sunspear to King's Landing, imposes major commitments on Qoren's time, Rhaenyra's time, or both, and it could at times actively interfere with their ability to govern.
The visitation clauses in the treaty aren't a nothingburger; they're really significant to both spouses' ability to live their lives, and that's why I'm not proposing to touch them.
Rhaenyra explaining to dad why it is critical to the welfare of the realm that our landswap screws over the Peakes without using the phrase "Alicent Hightower":
[X] Azel
[X] Azel
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a minute of sadness for delayed sidequests
Would you like to elaborate? This sounds shiny and I am interested.
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Yeah, that's fair. That's absolutely fair.
Except... it is Rhaenyra actually giving something up that means something to her, personally. Like, yes, I get why we can't do that and also marry a Martell. I absolutely do. So, I imagine, does Rhaenyra in-character. But apart from the "personally incinerating like a third of Dorne" bit, Rhaenyra's had Visenya as basically her sole female role model all her life as basically the only woman in known Westerosi history who lived something roughly like the kind of life she wants to live. More than probably any other Targaryen including her own son, I can absolutely see quest!Rhaenyra wanting to name a daughter Visenya, as something she actually desired for herself.
I'm not opposed to her having agreed to that term, to be very clear. But the point here is that if she (rightly) wasn't willing to pick a fight over that or threaten to end the marriage negotiations over it, then there are other things she shouldn't threaten to end them over, either.
I mean, it's not complicated. This entire land deal is happening specifically because of Rhaenyra being willing to marry Qoren, the Peakes' heir went to considerable lengths to outrageously insult Rhaenyra, them getting singled out to be kicked in the balls over it.
Is it petty? Arguably. But the flip side of that is that Rhaenyra has a reasonable expectation that her vassals aren't going to be talking shit about her endlessly for the rest of her life. And making a few examples of "don't piss off the crown princess because royal power might just be exercised at your expense" isn't 100% a bad thing.
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Well regarding Viserys there are plenty of other festivities that won't bring back trauma, banquets, balls, masquerades royal hunts...
And we should not forget that we are planning on starting another Great Progress once spring arrives so unless Rhaenyra gets pregnant on her wedding night (which is a real possibility since she was the second most fertile queen since Alysanne), she will spend the best part of a year travelling through Westeros...
Even then @Simon_Jester I would suggest adding the Plan Speak Softly And Carry A Big Grudge as an approval vote...
Honestly I just want to increase the chances of your write in regarding Qooren visits to win since as you have pointed Azel's one would be quite problematic for both...
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I was halfway through typing up a longer explanation before I noticed a map would be helpful, so I just posted the teaser.
The full pitch is that we use the opportunity of the tolls being set up and the investment in Planky Town, coupled with our good relationships to the Master of Coin and Master of Laws to put our own name forward to assist with the setup of the toll collection system. From this, we can leverage our position to get our own trade income and gain influence in a nascent bit of bureaucracy that can later be leveraged into political power and influence in various regions of Westeros.
UrbanAvena
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It may be possible. The only explicitly known Reacher marcher lords are Tarly and Peake. It is likely they are neighbor.
The popularity is because canon Rhaenyra desire to name her daughter Visenya. She also miscarriages and lost her only daughter, named Visenya, from the shock of the news that her father was death and she was being usurped. There are extra sentimentality because of it. If we marry anyone else beside Qoren I'll fully support the name too.
I support it as the start of our power and influence network is overdue. As you mentioned trade network do you mainly wanted to talk with Rhaenys, Isembard, Lyman, or Qoren? They are the first ones that came to my mind. edit* ninja'd
Though I take that it means talking with Beesburry, Qoren, and Strong mainly?
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Oh I agree, and I edited in "without using the phrase 'Alicent Hightower'" to better clarify the joke I'm making
I'm just amused by imagining Rhaenyra trying to explain this without acknowledging 50% of the reason that Unwin Peake is at the top of her shitlist
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Not to mention that the Stormlands got shafted in this deal, right after the Baratheons got mad over the princess injuring Borros when they would've been fine with a prince doing that. A weaker example in many ways, since they didn't go to outrageous lengths, and the deal (iirc) only directly impacts some of their vassals, and there was already an expectation that sacrifices would have to be made to appease the Dornish... but whom exactly the sacrifices were made out of is still a choice.
Three of Rhaenyra's defeated opponents get mad at her, and then the Houses of two of them suffer (Criston is kind of his own entity so whatever). That's kinda neat when put together like that.
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In full:
- Master of Laws Strong
- Master of Coin Beesbury
- Qoren
- Rhaenys Velaryon
- Isembard Arryn (optional)
The first four are necessary to set it all up, though Isembard would be very good to have along for advice.
Dunno if Teenspirit would be willing to let that fly as an action instead of individual talks. Will ask when doing the full write-up.
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Next turn we have all but locked in Talking with Otto, Gwayne, and travelling to Harrenhal, and a lot of people also want to prepare a trip to Dragonstone for relaxation...
So I don't think it will be able to fit in the next two turns...
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Then the idea is dead in the water. Once other people make arrangements, we can't budge in anymore.
It's either now or never.
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Wait, what are we doing with Gwayne again?
UrbanAvena
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I found it funny and endearing that Lyman our jolly old Master of Coin that we never talked before except quick asking for Isembard's trade permit but he is one of our most loyal supporter. He also bet on Silver Falcon and follow us to many places in our progress.
I propose to not talk to Otto yet. We need at least 3 AP amount of prep effort first including Gwayne to tackle this as I see this as a big as problem as Viserys marriage.
Strategizing Otto Deal.
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Turns out knowing and being liked by the right people is what gets you ahead in life.
A crown and hereditary wealth doesn't hurt either.
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We have promised Alicent to talk to Otto to discuss her future ASAP, and we need Gwayne for support with his father so it is never then, and since it was a far fetched plan anyways I have not much problem anyways with misding it...
Besides that the QM has said time and time again that we should start picking more sidequests so let's start doing tem ASAP
The sooner we talk with Otto the sooner we can convince him telling Mellos to try Orwyle's treatment...
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I believe we will be able to do Gwayne and Otto too next turn aside from my proposal, but I'm not willing to sacrifice a golden opportunity just so that we don't have to postpone our vacation for one turn.
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We only have 4 talking actions per turn, we cannot talk with these two and the rest of the guys required in your plan anyways...
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Things I want next turn, in no particular order:
Talk to Otto about Alicent - no deadline, but the sooner, the better, and I want her to feel secure before we get to Dragonstone and spend an entire three months together having good vibes.
Prepare for Dragonstone - just makes sense with the timing, our deadlines for Harp and Law stuff are both on the turn after that, and the last couple turns have been Stress hit after Stress hit. I don't want Nyra to catch a bad case of tireless SV protagonism, especially since we're already over halfway up on the Stress scale.
Talk to Isembard Arryn - he's a hesitant ally with serious potential, I think, and we shouldn't leave him hanging without a good excuse. Our good excuse (marriage talks) has just reached its end.
Fly to Harrenhal - Alys seems really interesting, and it would be good to at least do something about the problem. I feel like Rhaenyra would be really not okay with learning that her father's health is declining, and then doing nothing.
Talk to Otto about Mellos - absolute oof, I hate the idea, Otto has already been told that there's a problem by Orwyle, all we can add as a sixteen (seventeen next turn?) year old girl is angsty pressure. Also, Teen Spirit said that it would have to be a separate Conversation from the Alicent one.
Sneak Out into the City - sidequests!
But the shinies are already beginning to accumulate as the next turn approaches, dammit
Talk to Otto about Alicent - no deadline, but the sooner, the better, and I want her to feel secure before we get to Dragonstone and spend an entire three months together having good vibes.
Prepare for Dragonstone - just makes sense with the timing, our deadlines for Harp and Law stuff are both on the turn after that, and the last couple turns have been Stress hit after Stress hit. I don't want Nyra to catch a bad case of tireless SV protagonism, especially since we're already over halfway up on the Stress scale.
Talk to Isembard Arryn - he's a hesitant ally with serious potential, I think, and we shouldn't leave him hanging without a good excuse. Our good excuse (marriage talks) has just reached its end.
Fly to Harrenhal - Alys seems really interesting, and it would be good to at least do something about the problem. I feel like Rhaenyra would be really not okay with learning that her father's health is declining, and then doing nothing.
Talk to Otto about Mellos - absolute oof, I hate the idea, Otto has already been told that there's a problem by Orwyle, all we can add as a sixteen (seventeen next turn?) year old girl is angsty pressure. Also, Teen Spirit said that it would have to be a separate Conversation from the Alicent one.
Sneak Out into the City - sidequests!
But the shinies are already beginning to accumulate as the next turn approaches, dammit