Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
You're not abusing semantics enough.
Those are no longer enemies, they are instead prey.
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Ivar
Dark Reaper
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- Russia Moscow
I'll be honest, I think it's a mistake. He doesn't take Molly seriously. We need to counteract that with arguments. Not just silently accept it. He can think what he wants, but I think it's unwise to just silently accept his misunderstanding of who Molly really is.
And frankly speaking, I don't think that this cheapens his sacrifice in any way. The only one who cheapens anyone here is him.
I also think you're putting too much pressure on trying to push his hero complex and how he deserves gratitude.
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How is he to believe us? How do we make him believe when we say that we started a revolution in hell, or saved the world from an economic collapse, or prevented half of North America from blowing up? He isn't taking us seriously, that's exactly the problem. We can't afford to fight him - we'd likely win, but we need motes. VLE or shintai are impressive, but cost motes too. The best we can do is to summon Usum, I guess. Or call Mab / Maeve (might actually be a good idea, outsiders / old ones are part of their responsibility).
We definitely don't want to speak in Primordial.
He's in shock, his world is rapidly expanding, he is new to his powers. It's hard for him to process. So, bulldoze over his preconceptions, and move onto action. By providing flight, we further his reliance on us - we'd literally be carrying him. That demonstrates strength, and psychologically makes him rely on us, I think. I believe that in this situation, actions speak louder than words. Trying to one-up him is... again, even at the best interpretation, he seems fairly ignorant, and so the point would be lost on him.
Also, there's a paranoiac possibility that he's perfectly lying, but that's unlikely.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
I think words will suffice. We can appeal to the general nature of Exaltation to back up the words. He should understand it by now. I don't mind the helping him parts anyway. I mind your framing of Molly's speech. I'd be happy to add a few counterarguments, but overall I just don't like the way you frame Molly in your plan.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
I'll be honest, it also sounds like an attempt at manipulation based on information about his identity that Molly can only know through magical means or by studying him. Yes, we can write it off as guesswork from a brief conversation alone, but... Honestly, I just don't like the way the dialogue parts are structured in general.
He knows very little of exaltation. We could say "we have been exalted for nine months to your three hours" - however he doesn't know if his powers can grow, or how fast they do. And on the face of it, mortal or magical alike, nine months is very little time.
Think of where he comes from, and his ignorance. I can'tthink of words that either won'tmake him defensive, or would be accepted
OK, sure, I'll try to think on how to reword the stunt.
Didn't Harry tell us at least something of what he discerned? And we know he died.
And yes, obviously this is manipulation. We need to manipulate him into accepting help
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
But not so obviously! If I see in this a clear attempt at manipulation, someone like him will see it even more so.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Plan backup lets us recover essence well going with him. No flattery or boasting either.
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[X] Plan to the point
-[X] Offer to help, even if you don't know all the details this sounds right up your alley
-[X] STUNT: "The general name for what we are is 'Exalted', and yes, now you can do more now. Will be able to do much more later, as I can attest after nearly a year of doing this" - you not quite snark, before extending a hand: "I, for example, learned to fly, which is a much faster way to travel. So, choose a title for me to address you by, and grab my hand - we have a monster to keep down"
Again, trying not to boast at all. I added the reference to our experience. And, again, from a practical standpoint, we are on a timer. Actually, we are very much on a timer. Because Michael is not here.Michael left the moment the shards were released. There were 4 shards. The last remaining shard is
Basically, we got incredibly, impossibly lucky so far. But the last exalt is... I am afraid of what we are going to find.
So, no, we don't have time for bleach. We need to take this brave and self-sacrificing man, go kick some fomorian / raksha butt, then get him in for debriefing (quite possibly with Archive being his boss), and then go for the last round of this.
-[X] Offer to help, even if you don't know all the details this sounds right up your alley
-[X] STUNT: "The general name for what we are is 'Exalted', and yes, now you can do more now. Will be able to do much more later, as I can attest after nearly a year of doing this" - you not quite snark, before extending a hand: "I, for example, learned to fly, which is a much faster way to travel. So, choose a title for me to address you by, and grab my hand - we have a monster to keep down"
Again, trying not to boast at all. I added the reference to our experience. And, again, from a practical standpoint, we are on a timer. Actually, we are very much on a timer. Because Michael is not here.Michael left the moment the shards were released. There were 4 shards. The last remaining shard is
MIchael wasn't dispatched to a denarian operation. He wasn't dispatched to a guy dealing with Old Ones / Neverborn / whatever ancient lovecraftian horror is sleeping under the ice. He, by the process of elimitation, was dispatched to deal with "a death cultist" or a "dark messiah". This is panic-worthy. Because rules-wise, there's nothing stopping an abyssal right out of chargen from Calling the Calibration Gate to the Outside. Or to Outside and then directly to Heaven. Even an E1 exalt would have enough motes to do this.
Basically, we got incredibly, impossibly lucky so far. But the last exalt is... I am afraid of what we are going to find.
So, no, we don't have time for bleach. We need to take this brave and self-sacrificing man, go kick some fomorian / raksha butt, then get him in for debriefing (quite possibly with Archive being his boss), and then go for the last round of this.
- Location
- Germany
Again, Michael does usually have to use mortal transportation.
The White God does not teleport his Knights, fate just happens to be so they get where they are needed swiftly and without issues.
Michael could not have been here in the middle of the Antarctis by anything less that a straight miracle or a deal with Winter.
BoredMan
When my fist clenches crack it open🎶
For the record, we don't know that.
BoredMan
When my fist clenches crack it open🎶
Also this.. I'm reminded of what I directly told you earlier that stopping in the middle of chasing the Abyssals to recharge probably wasn't going to be happening then you said you'd advocate for it, "I am arguing that we will have to pause at some point of handling this situation" and other things you said to me but then speak against moving in a bleach container. I will actually vote against you just because of this.
[X]Plan backup
Good night guys, see you all in the morning with... whatever lives under that mountain. I'm sure it wants to come out and play.
[X] Plan The Devil Drives
-[X] Offer to help, even if you don't know all the details this sounds right up your alley
-[X] FPoR
-[X] [Stunt]: Straightening up Molly met his gaze directly, drawing the certainty and power that had become as much a part of her as her hands and feet about herself like a cloak. For a moment something emerald flashed in her eyes, like a narrow look from a distant star.
—[X] "Not like them."
-[X] Allowing the mark on her forehead to reveal itself, Molly continued. "I had a day like this once. Not the same. Never the same. But for all the difference among the exalted some things we seem to share." For a moment her mind drifted back to a very different frozen waste. "I didn't die. I failed"
-[X] "The important thing is that whatever trial made us; all that it took, all that it gave, and all that it changed, come hell or high water we remain."
—[X] "You are not a monster, and you do not have to stand alone"
I'm not sure I got the rhetoric on this quite right. I don't want to latch onto an offhand comment too hard, but his thing about being nameless is a good opening to connect over and his behavior in combination with that comparison could hint at some unfortunate beliefs. Specifically I'm concerned he's pulling the same thing Molly did at the very beginning:
This man was willing to die to preserve his mission, and then he comes back and starts a death march to fight unspeakable gods he compares himself to in the same breath. A suicide charge wouldn't be out of character.
As an aside, I think High Water would be a funny title for this guy. The play off of his manner of death and his positioning as a disaster other people have to endure is too good. Especially if he picked it up from a conversation with an infernal mentor.
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Also, good luck to the first Solar to exalt. Because the contrast in how their Second Breath occurs could make for some friction with the established Celestials.
-[X] Offer to help, even if you don't know all the details this sounds right up your alley
-[X] FPoR
-[X] [Stunt]: Straightening up Molly met his gaze directly, drawing the certainty and power that had become as much a part of her as her hands and feet about herself like a cloak. For a moment something emerald flashed in her eyes, like a narrow look from a distant star.
—[X] "Not like them."
-[X] Allowing the mark on her forehead to reveal itself, Molly continued. "I had a day like this once. Not the same. Never the same. But for all the difference among the exalted some things we seem to share." For a moment her mind drifted back to a very different frozen waste. "I didn't die. I failed"
-[X] "The important thing is that whatever trial made us; all that it took, all that it gave, and all that it changed, come hell or high water we remain."
—[X] "You are not a monster, and you do not have to stand alone"
I'm not sure I got the rhetoric on this quite right. I don't want to latch onto an offhand comment too hard, but his thing about being nameless is a good opening to connect over and his behavior in combination with that comparison could hint at some unfortunate beliefs. Specifically I'm concerned he's pulling the same thing Molly did at the very beginning:
This man was willing to die to preserve his mission, and then he comes back and starts a death march to fight unspeakable gods he compares himself to in the same breath. A suicide charge wouldn't be out of character.
As an aside, I think High Water would be a funny title for this guy. The play off of his manner of death and his positioning as a disaster other people have to endure is too good. Especially if he picked it up from a conversation with an infernal mentor.
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Also, good luck to the first Solar to exalt. Because the contrast in how their Second Breath occurs could make for some friction with the established Celestials.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
On another topic. We have often talked about destroying the coins, but that talk never really went anywhere because a possible/likely result would be the fallen becoming free and we have not felt confident enough in being able to kill a freed fallen angel.
However now there are 5 Abyssal Exalted. And let me tell you there are very very few things a circle of Abyssals can't kill and I don't think that the fallen are among them especially with the other support we would bring.
However now there are 5 Abyssal Exalted. And let me tell you there are very very few things a circle of Abyssals can't kill and I don't think that the fallen are among them especially with the other support we would bring.
- Location
- Germany
Yeah, I'm also optimistic that the Abyssals could kill it, if we actually get it down to 0 health.
I'm just not confident in that.
What if a full-scale Angel is too much for us to fight, or even if it just manages to flee and be a free, fully-powered Angel on Earth or in Sanctuary?
Michael usually has mortal transportation. But not always. Like when he helped protect Outer Gates two months ago, he was provided transport there, likely by the fae. Michael wouldn't be dispatched somewhere if he couldn't get where he needed to get to in time to affect the situation - this is not in question, White God / Uriel are not stupid to waste his time. In emergencies, Knights absolutely have ways to get somewhere faster than mortal travel times allow - pulled favors with supernatural forces, synchronicity, etc. He was immediately out of reach of mortal communication after leaving - one explanation for that is travel via NeverNever. And this is an emergency that even White God couldn't have predicted, ie the time when mysterious ways fail.
If Michael was dispatched here, we are either meeting him on site of the Awakening, or he would have been here already.
We do know that - he wasn't there. If he wasn't capable and likely to be able to get to the site of his mission in time, he wouldn't have been sent to the mission in question - White God / Uriel should be at least as smart as google maps, and capable of calculating how long it would take MIchael to get to where they are sending him.
Yes, and I was wrong. The situation has developed in a way that indicates that we likely cannot afford to pause. I expected us to have to spend more resources earlier, in which case we wouldn't have had a choice in whether to pause or not - I expected at least two out of four exalts to be hostile and require exalt-on-exalt combat to the death.
We didn't know about the imminent apocalypse of whatever it is the fomori are doing. And, again, my position about Michael is that we are at ~ 50/50 chance of finding him dead if we don't hurry.
If fully powered angels were allowed to operate on Earth, then denarians would have had their hosts destroy the coins way before now. The most likely scenario is that a freed fallen is forced to go back to hell.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
It's not full scale it's fallen. It's in the name, but obviously we would stage the fight in a heavy duty magic circle where we stack all the advantages.
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No interest in my plan? I think there are points not being engaged with here.
BoredMan
When my fist clenches crack it open🎶
No, we don't. There are other Denarians and another Abyssal.
Not necessarily. I mean the Coins are probably nigh indestructible to start with I doubt humans could have them destroyed period. Also you meant Fallen not Denarian.
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