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This option is the route towards masking our feelings in Hextech, the one thing she feels successful about, while selecting the Kirammans is masking within a world of luxury. Additionally I feel Jayce's mother is probably a better mother than Cassandra, and because Viktor is involved we're more likely to maintain some connections with Zaun than with the Kirammans.
Hextech is universal. We will remain involved regardless. Going with Jayce and victor simply turns our work relationship into a messy work & family business, and increases the odds it becomes an obsession rather than merely a goal, weakening our ability to reign Jayce and Viktor in. There is also the echo chamber effect to worry about given how like minded the hextech trio are. We want to remain a voice of reason, not embrace the madness.

While there is an element of luxury in the kiramman's family route, the bigger focus will be the idealogical clashes and the fleshing out family dynamics, something Jayce and Victor won't fully have time for between Hextech and Heimerdingers procedural red tape. What there is in Kiramman's favor is a dynamic of having work to get away from family drama, and family not entirely involved to go to with work concerns.

We haven't met Jayce's mom and she's unlikely to be heavily involved, otherwise the vote action would be Viktor and the Talis's rather than Viktor and Jayce.

Just had a realization that in a way this is a vote on who our sibling surrogate is likely to be.

[ ] The Kirammans
For the older sister we just lost, and;

[ ] Jayce and Viktor
For the older brothers we just lost
I don't think it's going to be that clear cut and simple. Family is complex with a lot less baggage than Jinx is Carrying. Odds are we are going to have a few arks before new dynamics are fleshed out properly.
Mad Science and gay uncles! VOTE VICTOR
Or, alteratively, safe science and work bros, who we can go to snitch on Cait about the latest girl she snuck into the manner and then tease her relentlessly with Jayce, like the bratty little sister all children who have ever grown up a single child deserve.
 
What was the name of Viktors love interest again? It felt like she was an after thought and got more important after death then she did living.
 
I don't see it as replacing, to be precise.i People don't work like that. Caitlyn and Vi came together as Jinx and Vi drifted apart, but it certainly wasn't something as clear cut as replacing, as if she were throwing away an old coat. Relationships are complex, to different degrees. One of the key factors that wins Kiramman my support is the separation of Work and Jinx's colleagues from her family and living situation, at least, to a much greater degree than if she was taken by Viktor and Jayce and her family were the people she works with.

That can work out, sure, but typically the sort of issues and trauma Jinx is experiencing further complicate an already delicate balance between work and family dynamics. It's healthier for Jinx have two, semi independent support groups than have to adjust to a single support group with situationally shifting dynamics.
 
[X] The Kirammans
Voting for this option because it may lead to cool cyborg options down the line ala Camille and because they actually know how to raise a child into a functional adult. Additionally, because of the role reversal of Jinx going topside, and getting to grow up in a nice family and not in Stillwater, and Vi working for Silco is too enjoyable to pass up. Also, this option has a higher chance of Jinx receiving actual therapy. See below for inspiration on future looks. She would fit nicely.

 
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Can Viktor be pushed into making Blitzcrank in this continuity? The glorious evolution must have its best mascot.

Yes, could we have Blitzcrank? Also can we have Jinx interact with Ziggs? Biggest missed opportunity the show made, second only to relegating Orianna to a cameo despite how compelling her story could've been if fully realized in the show.
 
[X] The Kirammans
Also, this option has a higher chance of Jinx receiving actual therapy.
Considering this is Piltover, a pastiche of 19th Century Urban Europe with Steampunk, are you sure that whatever analogue of 19th Century mental healthcare that exists in Piltover is something you want to subject Jinx to? It would likely involve Laudanum and Jinx getting committed for "hysteria".
I want Jinx to get to paint the kiramman's manor someday.
And as a response, the Kirammans get her an oil painting tutor in the hopes that she'd transition to doing paintings rather than painting on the walls. I am a bit dissapointed that the Kirammans are winning out in the vote so far but on the bright side, the battle of who's the better older sister is gonna be inevitable now.
 
[X] Jayce and Viktor

Jinx burrying herself in the Hextech project to forget the pain to the point that J&V become her guardians is a lot more interesting to me than her replacing her family by the Kiraman.

And the Kiramans are a lot more likely to treat her like a child, meaning she would have a lot less freedom there.
 
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Yeah I don't really want to wade into the debate here but I'm skeptical of the argument that the Kiramman family is 'better equipped' to look after Jinx. They have a big house and lots of money, sure, but they're not therapists. Caitlyn seems to have developed a whole host of issues due to her mother's mix of distant and yet also controlling, and Jinx would probably get an even worse case of that sort of "rich important busy parents disease" as the adopted and somewhat out of place kid.

It's a valid choice - the alternative obviously wouldn't be perfect guardians either - but I think it makes more sense to vote based on what narrative you want to see than what you think will fix Jinx's issues because neither of these options are gonna fix Jinx's issues, IMO.
 
Hextech is universal. We will remain involved regardless. Going with Jayce and victor simply turns our work relationship into a messy work & family business, and increases the odds it becomes an obsession rather than merely a goal, weakening our ability to reign Jayce and Viktor in. There is also the echo chamber effect to worry about given how like minded the hextech trio are. We want to remain a voice of reason, not embrace the madness.

While there is an element of luxury in the kiramman's family route, the bigger focus will be the idealogical clashes and the fleshing out family dynamics, something Jayce and Victor won't fully have time for between Hextech and Heimerdingers procedural red tape. What there is in Kiramman's favor is a dynamic of having work to get away from family drama, and family not entirely involved to go to with work concerns.

We haven't met Jayce's mom and she's unlikely to be heavily involved, otherwise the vote action would be Viktor and the Talis's rather than Viktor and Jayce.

I do not believe, that Ximena, Jayce's mom, will not be involved in aiding Jinx especially if we are leaning towards Jayce and Viktor. I feel that suggesting that she won't be there is just trying to poison the argument to make your side sound better. Characters that did not show up and thus did not have importance in the original show do not mean they will continue to in this quest. Example 1: Seraphine. I think for the most part we would agree that Jayce is at least a well-meaning individual and generally a good person, he did not become that way purely by his own merit, his parentage played a factor. She is not a fully known character but she is not as corrupted by being a member of the council and their inaction.

I can make similar arguments that the Kiramman's do not have as much time since they have council concerns to deal with and Caitlyn's had her idol killed by Vander, and still likely to lean towards joining the enforcers, Cassandra and her father's wishes against it didn't really push her away from it either. I legitimately feel that Jinx feels more comfort with Jayce and Viktor than with the Kiramman's above other concerns and that makes it make more sense.

Also I don't care about necessarily being the "voice of reason" and I feel a hurt child probably shouldn't be? Also this is a JINX quest, "embracing the madness" is part of the point stylistically.
 
It's a valid choice - the alternative obviously wouldn't be perfect guardians either - but I think it makes more sense to vote based on what narrative you want to see than what you think will fix Jinx's issues because neither of these options are gonna fix Jinx's issues, IMO.

For sure. Obviously there will be some mechanical impacts from whichever choice wins out, but at the end of the day this quest is mostly focused on narrative, and the mechanics just exist to enhance and enable that.

I do not believe, that Ximena, Jayce's mom, will not be involved in aiding Jinx especially if we are leaning towards Jayce and Viktor. I feel that suggesting that she won't be there is just trying to poison the argument to make your side sound better. Characters that did not show up and thus did not have importance in the original show do not mean they will continue to in this quest. Example 1: Seraphine. I think for the most part we would agree that Jayce is at least a well-meaning individual and generally a good person, he did not become that way purely by his own merit, his parentage played a factor. She is not a fully known character but she is not as corrupted by being a member of the council and their inaction.

It's hard to imagine Jayce's mother not being involved at all if he and Viktor are taking care of Powder. At the bare minimum, she'd be the first person Jayce turns to for help and advice whenever something comes up that he's not sure how to handle (which is inevitable with him watching over a traumatized pre-teen girl). She'd also step in if she sees him making any big mistakes, and wasn't shy about calling out his obsession with Hextech.

Speaking of which, Jayce and Viktor did make some progress on that front thanks to the events of this chapter. Obviously they're not letting go of it completely, but the Council embracing their ideas as brilliant and revolutionary is a whole lot of validation they both craved.
 
Just to be sure, Powder's family deaths were a tragic accident, Powder and Mylo share the lion portion of the blame, Powder for creating a impractical weapon, the bomb is supposed to be a last resort, the kids were not ready to have them due to poor judgement abilities, it wasn't the enforcers fault, Vi assaulted them, and Powder created the bombs, Mylo stupidly attempted to use a bomb threat, using a dangerous bomb as a bluff, which made things worse.

Its a bad habit for Powder or Jinx to blame other people, while dodging resposiblity, its also a bad habit for her to blame herself for everything. Something inbetween is feasible.
 
I have to point out that Caitlyn becoming an enforcer, something we can work against better and more often being adopted into the Kiramman's, is much more likely to be a deal breaker to a Vi who had Vander shot to death by enforcers after an altercation with them lead to her brothers deaths, than any sort of legal recognition of Caitlyn as Jinx's sister in a Piltover court of law. I feel like your splitting hairs here over a trivial legality when there are much bigger obstacles we can actively prevent that are likely to matter more at the end of the day.

As someone who's own aunt actually tried the have a baby to make a relationship work trick, as well as knowing a few other couples, I'm sorry to inform you that the additional stress of and responsibility don't necessarily bring people together. It's already going to be difficult for Jayce and Viktor to clamp down on their Hextech ambitions and be their as is. Odds are far more in favor of the sacrifices they make to look after Jinx keep them from spending time together and see them lost to their Hextech passion over any romantic passion do to having less time to work on it.

As I said I'm of two minds on who to go with. I don't think either option locks us out of much either. We're Caitlyn's friend regardless and will have the same enforcer career chat no matter what. Same for hextech, whether we spend our after work hours with the team or with the Kirammans it doesn't lock us out of being the cautious voice or a Hextech maniac.

With that said I'd be happy with either vote. Kiramman makes the political route easier and the Caitlyn advice easier, J & V makes guiding Hextech easier and makes us the heir to Hextech as the eldest child of Viktor & Jayce.

My slight favour of J & V has to do with dynamics like that which the choice actually fully locks in. Are we the Kirammans' Zaunite charity case and Caitlyn's sister in all but blood or are we the heir to hextech set to work alongside our adopted fathers to shape the future and carry the torch should they fall? Jinx Kiramman vs Jinx Talis in effect. I very slightly favour the latter.
 
Since the QM just confirmed the choice is more narrative feels like people should really stop using the argument that the Kiramens would be the best choice to raise Jinx since that doesn't appear to be the case. Especially since they also confirmed that Jayce's mother would be getting involved with raising Powder.
For sure. Obviously there will be some mechanical impacts from whichever choice wins out, but at the end of the day this quest is mostly focused on narrative, and the mechanics just exist to enhance and enable that.



It's hard to imagine Jayce's mother not being involved at all if he and Viktor are taking care of Powder. At the bare minimum, she'd be the first person Jayce turns to for help and advice whenever something comes up that he's not sure how to handle (which is inevitable with him watching over a traumatized pre-teen girl). She'd also step in if she sees him making any big mistakes, and wasn't shy about calling out his obsession with Hextech.

Speaking of which, Jayce and Viktor did make some progress on that front thanks to the events of this chapter. Obviously they're not letting go of it completely, but the Council embracing their ideas as brilliant and revolutionary is a whole lot of validation they both craved.

[X] Jayce and Viktor

Going with Jayce and Viktor since it feels like it would be mroe interesting narrative wise
 
These are two guys that's going to be busy with Hextech. Viktor is sickly and wants to pass on a legacy. I don't think they can help as they are. This would probably be more focused on a technological bent for the time skip.

There is a possibility that raising Jinx would make Viktor less reckless as he gains an alternative outlet for his lust for a legacy by raising a successor to the Hextech revolution.
 
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