It Belongs to a Museum

I question just how fondly the Tutor still thinks of Nefetera, since the description does say 'too scary to say no to'.

He also only went to see Luther Harkon rather than her because the trip was easier. Her being scary doesn't mean he doesn't think of her fondly, I don't think. That's also part of his spiel to avoid getting kicked out of places, so...maybe not 100% reliable. I actually don't think he's lying there, but I do think he's presenting the truth in a certain way.

We probably could have guessed, since he's working under Harkon rather than her, yes.

"Knowledge: Vampires (Minutiae)" suggests he did a bit more than just teach her some secrets he shouldn't have, too.

He's explicitly going to see Luther Harkon rather than Neferata due to travel risks, not him being unwilling to see her. And I think it's more "I literally saw this species invented, and have kept up with all the research" than anything else, I think. Like, if he was more involved than that it seems like he'd probably be a vampire? He was in a position to get one of Neferata's elixirs, and seemingly just...didn't.
 
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With each reread I'm more and more framing him as a guy who has been telling some version of this story hundreds of times over thousands of years. And has long since learned the good time to head for the exit. Would explain why he's specifically a spry old man in form too: A liche priest with an impudent air, a mentor's jovial tone, and a good pair of running shoes.

Absolutely love all the options on display, and the History Maker of Nagash's backstory especially is just a fantastically inspired idea. But it's hard to beat a jovial teacher of unwise knowledge, who likely uses the phrase "time to skedaddle the heck out of here" in his internal monologue on the regular, when it comes to a business partner of Luther Harkon.

[X] Imprudent Tutor
 
Do I understand correctly that this is a hint that it was us who sabotaged Ushabti?

Possibly—my first assumption was that they were sabotaged by Nagash, but the History Maker does have War Statues (Detailed) as a knowledge. He also has Poisons (Surface), which is how King Rahmohtep died, allowing Nagash's allies to take their father's throne. Not quite sure how he managed to pull off a plague, though.

The History Maker is quite interesting—reading between the lines, he accelerated Nagash's ascent, simply to discredit Nagash's father. He's arguably complicit in Nagash's crimes.

He feels a bit like a Game of Thrones type of character to me, always in the background, unobtrusive, outwardly loyal, but really just making everything worse out of a twisted sense of spite and revenge.
 
I question just how fondly the Tutor still thinks of Nefetera, since the description does say 'too scary to say no to'.
I wouldn't exactly put much stock in the accuracy of the first half of the Tutor's description, on account of it being implied to be a practiced spiel he gives, as per this part:
...that's typically about as far as you'd get before you'd be cast out of whatever city you happened to be in, forced to walk on to the next one.
It's likely the events as described are broadly true, but no doubt the message has been massaged to minimize the Tutor's culpability in things, for a given value of minimize anyway.
Mmm? Seems more likely to have been Nagash in both cases, rather than the History-Maker.
I think it's likely it was the History-Maker. He has War Statuary (Detailed), it should be within his capabilities. Plus, both occassions fit the History-Maker being Nagash's enabler. He didn't kill Khetep or Thutep, just made it so their death was the likely outcome.
edit: Eshined, I guess.
Not quite sure how he managed to pull off a plague, though.
Could still have been poison, in my opinion, just disguised as or mistaken for a plague. Or it could have been magic?
edit again: Actually, now that I think about it... If they all died too quickly to be seen by a doctor/healer, the only way to tell might've been an autopsy... and it seems clear exactly who would be doing such a thing, as well as what reason they might have for lying about the real cause of death.
 
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I've been reading Divided Loyalties, I know in the Empire they put a big distinction between death magic and necromancy, but is this the same distinction? Would someone from Nehekhara be saying, "Oh man, no way I can use the Wind of Death to make skeletons march around. Can only do that with dhar."?

Yes. It's the same Wind, and while different magical traditions emphasize different aspects of it, you can't get around the Wind of Endings being the Wind of Endings. Necromancy works by using Dhar to corrupt Shyish, twisting its associations into something unnatural and destructive.

What gods do they worship in Araby

The cityfolk are a melting pot of their own Gods as well as foreign imports. The desert and hill nomads are more animist and mostly focused on getting along with the forces that impact their day-to-day existence.

do they get raided by or otherwise interact with the vampire coast much?

No more so than anyone else. Araby is host to its fair share of corsairs, so anyone unprotected against naval assault is already going to be picked clean before the Vampire Coast gets there.

Just curious how much likelihood there is of old friends, enemies, and young folks with a destiny that Mr. Tutor might once have helped showing up in Awakening?

Undecided, but shouldn't be counted on.
 
Hm, now that I think about it, does this mean there are other unexplored lores of corrupted Winds?

Divided Loyalties has outright stated yes, basically, with the magic of the beastmen being Dhar + Ghur and Eshin using Dhar + Ulgu. We haven't seen all of them, and it's possible some don't actually get used by any organized group, but yeah, you can combine any Wind with Dhar and get some pretty different results.
 
Wait... We're heading to the Vampire Coast and, if the voting stays as is, bringing an expert in the Lore of Death. Might be able to confirm or refute what I wondered a little while ago - whether the Vampirates' magical control over the sea (their Lore of the Deep) is performed via Shyish (empowered by Dhar or otherwise) through the Mystical association of drowning!
 
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Divided Loyalties has outright stated yes, basically, with the magic of the beastmen being Dhar + Ghur and Eshin using Dhar + Ulgu. We haven't seen all of them, and it's possible some don't actually get used by any organized group, but yeah, you can combine any Wind with Dhar and get some pretty different results.


This makes me wonder if it's possible to use Dhar in Qhaysh. High Magic is just using the 8 Winds in parallel so I wonder if using 8 Winds + Dhar would result in something interesting.
 
This makes me wonder if it's possible to use Dhar in Qhaysh. High Magic is just using the 8 Winds in parallel so I wonder if using 8 Winds + Dhar would result in something interesting.

Doesn't seem to be. The Asrai use both, and even use them in concert (specifically, the High Mage cleans up any waste products from the Dark Magic), but they do so in pairs, one who uses each type of magic, so if this were possible they'd have done it by this point, I think, and they haven't.
 
"Here is young Skullpulper Withersoul, such a good little boy. A bit on the mischievous side though. He is so curious, smart and inquisitive. Just yesterday he asked me about the possible ways of achieving immortality."

This makes me think of a Chaos Worshipper and the thought of saying this about a buff Champion of Khorne is really funny. Now I kinda want to get one as a student.
 
It's possible, but don't make any plans based on it.
While we the players won't know about any specific Liche Priest not mentioned, how likely is it that our character knows all the other Liche Priests of import? I'm not quite sure how small and how tight knit of a society the Mortuary Cult is.
Ask again if you really want an answer, but be aware that it's going to be really fucking depressing and it isn't going to be giving that character any less of a reason to spend eternity seeking vengeance.
I'm... Okay with finding out if you're willing to go there and potentially tell that story. The subject of sentient undead children is one that will always come up in a context like Nehekhara, except if it is explicitly circumnavigated.
No. It will share the same conclusions I've made about what's hiding in the deep lore, but the events of DL will not have happened in this quest's history, not least of which because this quest starts over thirty years after DL's current date.
Is there a deeper reason for not wanting DL's butterflies to be canon? I can think of a few potential ones, but I don't actually know if they are something to worry about.
  • Lower entry level for complete newcomers, since canon lore (from approved sources) and a sense for your sense of the setting are enough now while the other way might forever create a feeling of being less informed than DL veterans.
  • Complete elimination of cross-quest metagaming attempts. No setting up vampiric artifact breadcrumbs with Mathilde. No researching Order-relevant tech or magic with our mummy.
  • Since Mathilde frequently has setting reshaping impact with her actions and those can't be foreseen, the Quests will likely diverge anyway. Better to bite that bullet now.
  • There's already a major divergence in Nyklaus von Carstein, who you don't want to exclude. The existence of other characters with effects on artifact distribution like Karl Franz, Grimgor or Skarsnik is also preferable.
Still, my inner RPG player is delighted by the idea of a Boney-verse and of our actions having lasting impacts even on other characters' stories.

Maybe, if you fancy, you could go for a compromise where events similar to DL events that didn't come from canon could crop up here? Like a parallel universe that didn't quite have a Mathilde, but that echoes her butterflies somehow, with things like a Van Hal dynasty, the death of Luitpold's first wife, Belegar employing Human mercenaries, the recent rise in power of Ranald, Drycha messing with Kislev and the assassination of Boris' predecessor all having happened, but due to reasons that as far as anyone knows have nothing to do with a certain overly flashy Grey Magister.

I don't know. I think it would be cool even if others might consider it wank.
 
This makes me think of a Chaos Worshipper and the thought of saying this about a buff Champion of Khorne is really funny. Now I kinda want to get one as a student.

Nah, Champions of Khorne are actively anti-magic and thus one of the groups the Imprudent Tutor would not teach. They'd probably try and kill him on sight for being a mage.

Other Chaos Champions are possible, though the combination of Chaos and Necromancy is rare enough that it's not common at all.
 
Is there a deeper reason for not wanting DL's butterflies to be canon? I can think of a few potential ones, but I don't actually know if they are something to worry about.
  • Lower entry level for complete newcomers, since canon lore (from approved sources) and a sense for your sense of the setting are enough now while the other way might forever create a feeling of being less informed than DL veterans.
  • Complete elimination of cross-quest metagaming attempts. No setting up vampiric artifact breadcrumbs with Mathilde. No researching Order-relevant tech or magic with our mummy.
  • Since Mathilde frequently has setting reshaping impact with her actions and those can't be foreseen, the Quests will likely diverge anyway. Better to bite that bullet now.
  • There's already a major divergence in Nyklaus von Carstein, who you don't want to exclude. The existence of other characters with effects on artifact distribution like Karl Franz, Grimgor or Skarsnik is also preferable.
Still, my inner RPG player is delighted by the idea of a Boney-verse and of our actions having lasting impacts even on other characters' stories.

Maybe, if you fancy, you could go for a compromise where events similar to DL events that didn't come from canon could crop up here? Like a parallel universe that didn't quite have a Mathilde, but that echoes her butterflies somehow, with things like a Van Hal dynasty, the death of Luitpold's first wife, Belegar employing Human mercenaries, the recent rise in power of Ranald, Drycha messing with Kislev and the assassination of Boris' predecessor all having happened, but due to reasons that as far as anyone knows have nothing to do with a certain overly flashy Grey Magister.

I don't know. I think it would be cool even if others might consider it wank.
He would also have to decide on what the future of DL would hold.

I think it's just easier to assume that Karl Franz is ruling in Altdorf and everything is basically the same as in canon.
 
While we the players won't know about any specific Liche Priest not mentioned, how likely is it that our character knows all the other Liche Priests of import? I'm not quite sure how small and how tight knit of a society the Mortuary Cult is.

They'd know most Liche Priests from their city, but only the major ones from other cities.

I'm... Okay with finding out if you're willing to go there and potentially tell that story. The subject of sentient undead children is one that will always come up in a context like Nehekhara, except if it is explicitly circumnavigated.

Content warning: depressing as hell.

An undead infant will never be more than an infant. The body can't grow into something that can do things, the mind can't develop into something that can process things, the soul cannot bloom when planted in dust. All they know is drives that they can no longer fulfill and discomforts they have no way to adapt to. Standard practice is for the Liche Priests to return them to dormancy and leave them in their crypts. Optimists talk about the day when the promise to Settra is fulfilled and a body that can finish growing can be created. Everyone else just never talks about it.

Is there a deeper reason for not wanting DL's butterflies to be canon? I can think of a few potential ones, but I don't actually know if they are something to worry about.

My main concern is that by making DL's butterflies canon to this quest, I'd also be making the full development of those butterflies as seen in this quest canon to DL. The only way to avoid that is to have this not just be part of the DL timeline, but diverging from it in 2491 when Mathilde presumably vanished in a puff of plot convenience, and that's even more convoluted and less accessible.
 
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