People simping for the martel option forget to take into account that he might not want to settle for just babymaking sex for an heir and a spare max. Wich currently is our most likely path if we want to keep alicent.
And thats without going into that martel ambition.
Honestly the main problem I have with Honorable is that it may prevent us from associating with the kind of people that would make a good Master of Whispers, and considering our most likely enemies in the Dance we need the Intrigue to survive
[X] [Trait] The Hard Work That Brought You Here
[X] [Celebrate] Celebrate Your Success with Ser Tarly
[X] [Celebrate] Visit Your Father
This goes without saying. Next turn we are back in regular KL turbs and we should reach out to both Laenor and Qoren Martell to see what their thoughts and general proposals are.I would be in favor, but first we should get to know him a bit. To see if we can make it work in the long term.
Yeah, and whereas I still think we should avoid Larys like the Plague, we still need someone to fill that place...Also for our kids' survival. See how Jaehaerys died in canon, and the only reason why Aegon's other kids, along with Aegon himself, didn't get captured and probably killed during the fall of kingslanding was due to Larys managing to secretly smuggle them out of the city.
As much as I love Dorne, marrying Qoren would piss off everyone who's against Westeros and Dorne growing closer in a peaceful way, and it's not the same subset of people who disrespect Rhaenyra for any of her Rhaenyra-ness (although there are certainly overlaps), and it's not the same subset of people who think that opposing Rhaenyra is advantageous to them. We would be making unnecessary enemies in addition to the pile of necessary ones and trade-offs. And sadly, I don't think the advantages of Dorne's support would make up for that.
And on the personal scale, as much as Dorne's cultural standards would make a husband from there more accepting and thus less stressful, we already have accepting options. Gwayne is on board with Rhaenyra being Rhaenyra, as long as she treats his sister well. Harwin was excited to fight her. Laenor would not interfere with her personal life at all. None of these three seem hard to get along with.
I'm still on board with getting to know Qoren, of course, but I don't really think he'll win with this competition.
Tarly is Martial King guy like canon Osgrey in Dunk & Egg instead of just pure Dornish hatred. Osgrey greatly favor the Kingly, powerful, and sword-bearing Daemon over the hunchbacked, balding, and short Daeron II "The ill-born". It is not just racism that power the Blackfyre hype train but also ableism. Tarly fundamental belief is in warrior Kingness that it is why he support us. Tarly appreciate Dornish strength and Our strength at the very least. He stated it himself. His general Marcherness meet his fundamental Warrior-King ideology make him proponent of Conquest in Dorne.Also marrying a Dornishman sounds like it would piss off our sworn shield something fierce. Word of god is that when it comes to Dorne Daeron I looks like a peacenik compared to Tarly.
He is actually quite judgemental, he's a marcher lord as others have mentioned (If you ever ask his opinions on Dorne he'll probably make Daeron the First look like peacenik) it's just Rhaenyra fits in very well with his views for the most part. And he basically sees it as his duty to shape Rhaenyra into a Warrior-Queen.
His hatred of Dorne are cultural Marcher but his belief in Warrior King, in Ser Rhaenyra, is fundamental. As long as we still act in Warrior's Grace Tarly will still support us.Yeah, Tarly fundamentally believes the throne needs a warrior king it's just he has flexibility on the gender of the king of they're strong enough
Tarly may support warrior kings, but the GM was actually pretty clear about how he also just really hates Dorne. Putting a different emphasis on what Teen Spirit said:Tarly is Martial King guy like canon Osgrey in Dunk & Egg instead of just pure Dornish hatred. Osgrey greatly favor the Kingly, powerful, and sword-bearing Daemon over the hunchbacked, balding, and short Daeron II "The ill-born". It is not just racism that power the Blackfyre hype train but also ableism. Tarly fundamental belief is in warrior Kingness that it is why he support us. Tarly appreciate Dornish strength and Our strength at the very least. He stated it himself. His general Marcherness meet his fundamental Warrior-King ideology make him proponent of Conquest in Dorne.
He is actually quite judgemental, he's a marcher lord as others have mentioned (If you ever ask his opinions on Dorne he'll probably make Daeron the First look like peacenik) it's just Rhaenyra fits in very well with his views for the most part. And he basically sees it as his duty to shape Rhaenyra into a Warrior-Queen.
Daeron the First is not Marcher. He is an ambitious Crownlander that is ambivalence in regard to Dorne except as a feather on his cap.Tarly may support warrior kings, but the GM was actually pretty clear about how he also just really hates Dorne:
Daeron the First is not Marcher. He is an ambitious Crownlander that is ambivalence in regard to Dorne except as a feather on his cap.
marrying an enemy when you could be conquering them instead is not very warrior's grace of us is itAs long as we still act in Warrior's Grace Tarly will still support us.
This goes without saying. Next turn we are back in regular KL turbs and we should reach out to both Laenor and Qoren Martell to see what their thoughts and general proposals are.
Also meeting with Gwayne is in order to start sorting out the Alicent situation.
As much as I love Dorne, marrying Qoren would piss off everyone who's against the Iron Throne and Dorne growing closer in a peaceful way, and it's not the same subset of people who disrespect Rhaenyra for any of her Rhaenyra-ness (although there are certainly overlaps), and it's not the same subset of people who think that opposing Rhaenyra is advantageous to them. We would be making unnecessary enemies in addition to the pile of necessary ones and trade-offs. And sadly, I don't think the advantages of Dorne's support would make up for that.